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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/11/12/demonstrators-want-a-black-only-healing-space/#comment-937084</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2015 00:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric.  Presuming the kids aren&#039;t as fragile as advertised, we have a job interview:
&quot;Nope, I&#039;m not at all fragile. It was a big act.  No problem.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric.  Presuming the kids aren&#8217;t as fragile as advertised, we have a job interview:<br />
&#8220;Nope, I&#8217;m not at all fragile. It was a big act.  No problem.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/11/12/demonstrators-want-a-black-only-healing-space/#comment-937069</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What students on campus can do is to perform the role of the resistance, spy rings, and take videos and send it anonymous to the rest of us. Then we send them arms and cadre trainers, and after they have built enough of a force, they can launch their counter attack, in unison with outside liberation forces. Eric&#039;s activist specialization surpasses politics, but total warfare also surpasses activism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What students on campus can do is to perform the role of the resistance, spy rings, and take videos and send it anonymous to the rest of us. Then we send them arms and cadre trainers, and after they have built enough of a force, they can launch their counter attack, in unison with outside liberation forces. Eric&#8217;s activist specialization surpasses politics, but total warfare also surpasses activism.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;To state again, to break the stranglehold of power the left has on colleges will require outside intervention.&lt;/b&gt;

They need to be liberated, the way the US invaded Iraq or Vietnam to do.

An outside force, that hasn&#039;t been outnumbered and neutered. But there are enough fronts where people are fighting the Left, that this isn&#039;t unfeasible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>To state again, to break the stranglehold of power the left has on colleges will require outside intervention.</b></p>
<p>They need to be liberated, the way the US invaded Iraq or Vietnam to do.</p>
<p>An outside force, that hasn&#8217;t been outnumbered and neutered. But there are enough fronts where people are fighting the Left, that this isn&#8217;t unfeasible.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ: &quot;As physicsguy is saying, that is a war that can’t be won on campus because the right is outnumbered.&quot;

Sure, the contest is asymmetric. 

As a military leader whose formative experience is from the middle-late 20th century, you understand better than most that asymmetry is not a competitive dead end.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ: &#8220;As physicsguy is saying, that is a war that can’t be won on campus because the right is outnumbered.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, the contest is asymmetric. </p>
<p>As a military leader whose formative experience is from the middle-late 20th century, you understand better than most that asymmetry is not a competitive dead end.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JJ,

Was the counter-insurgency &quot;Surge&quot; in Iraq essentially mirror-like the terrorist insurgency?

Was the American Revolution essentially mirror-like the French Revolution?

It&#039;s a choice. In order for Right activists not to be a &quot;lawless and totalitarian ... gang&quot; like Left activists, they simply need to choose not to be like that - while still choosing to play the game to win.

Your solution call for non-content LE runs up against the same block as physicsguy&#039;s solution call for denial of funding. 

They&#039;re insufficient for the scope of the problem and they&#039;re not decided free of limiting factors that are engineered by (you guessed it) activists.

That&#039;s not to say those solutions shouldn&#039;t be on the table. It&#039;s not either/or. But they can&#039;t replace activism as solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,</p>
<p>Was the counter-insurgency &#8220;Surge&#8221; in Iraq essentially mirror-like the terrorist insurgency?</p>
<p>Was the American Revolution essentially mirror-like the French Revolution?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a choice. In order for Right activists not to be a &#8220;lawless and totalitarian &#8230; gang&#8221; like Left activists, they simply need to choose not to be like that &#8211; while still choosing to play the game to win.</p>
<p>Your solution call for non-content LE runs up against the same block as physicsguy&#8217;s solution call for denial of funding. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re insufficient for the scope of the problem and they&#8217;re not decided free of limiting factors that are engineered by (you guessed it) activists.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say those solutions shouldn&#8217;t be on the table. It&#8217;s not either/or. But they can&#8217;t replace activism as solution.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric: &quot;Again, the only thing that can counter (student) activism is (student) activism.

Heavy-handed LE is a pain med to treat a cancer. Pain management is part of cancer treatment. But it’s not a cure and carries its own risks. At best, it might help slow it down. Cancer must be countered on its level to even attempt a cure. Often, the cure is painful, too. That’s necessarily Right activism.&quot;

Right side student activism is a mirror image of the left. You might  agree with it, but it is also capable of becoming lawless and totalitarian. What  you are talking about is a gang war between right  and left leaning students. As physicsguy is saying, that is a war that can&#039;t be won on campus because the right is outnumbered.

We have laws. Peaceable assembly to redress grievances is established in our Constitution. However, we also have laws about interfering with the rights of others. These BLM and racially/sensitivity inspired on campus demonstrations are interfering with other people&#039;s rights. Here in Puget Sound the BLM has had demonstrations where they have tried to block freeways and block access to stores. The police have used force (riot lines, teargas, tazers, arrests, etc.) to stop them from interfering with the rights of others. That is what is needed. What you are calling for is a counter-force of vigilantes who are not authorized to enforce the law or prevent demonstrators from harming the rights of others. 

I agree with FIRE about more speech being a good thing.  I disagree with FIRE about allowing  Ward Churchill to continue in his job. Allowing a man to impersonate an Indian and lecture students with provable falsehoods is like allowing a con man to rob a gullible citizen. It needs to be stood up to and stopped. Law enforcement by the proper authorities is always the best way to go. When the law is not enforced, we have anarchy and vigilantism.  I don&#039;t want to see us go there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: &#8220;Again, the only thing that can counter (student) activism is (student) activism.</p>
<p>Heavy-handed LE is a pain med to treat a cancer. Pain management is part of cancer treatment. But it’s not a cure and carries its own risks. At best, it might help slow it down. Cancer must be countered on its level to even attempt a cure. Often, the cure is painful, too. That’s necessarily Right activism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right side student activism is a mirror image of the left. You might  agree with it, but it is also capable of becoming lawless and totalitarian. What  you are talking about is a gang war between right  and left leaning students. As physicsguy is saying, that is a war that can&#8217;t be won on campus because the right is outnumbered.</p>
<p>We have laws. Peaceable assembly to redress grievances is established in our Constitution. However, we also have laws about interfering with the rights of others. These BLM and racially/sensitivity inspired on campus demonstrations are interfering with other people&#8217;s rights. Here in Puget Sound the BLM has had demonstrations where they have tried to block freeways and block access to stores. The police have used force (riot lines, teargas, tazers, arrests, etc.) to stop them from interfering with the rights of others. That is what is needed. What you are calling for is a counter-force of vigilantes who are not authorized to enforce the law or prevent demonstrators from harming the rights of others. </p>
<p>I agree with FIRE about more speech being a good thing.  I disagree with FIRE about allowing  Ward Churchill to continue in his job. Allowing a man to impersonate an Indian and lecture students with provable falsehoods is like allowing a con man to rob a gullible citizen. It needs to be stood up to and stopped. Law enforcement by the proper authorities is always the best way to go. When the law is not enforced, we have anarchy and vigilantism.  I don&#8217;t want to see us go there.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/11/12/demonstrators-want-a-black-only-healing-space/#comment-937022</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

I left a comment there plus see my comment here to carl in atlanta.

The Right needs to rally around the students. Most of all, the precious few genuine activists on the Right need to reach out and provide them practical instruction and support ASAP.

Anti-left liberals need to rally and be rallied to the cause.

As physicsguy highlighted, the students need local faculty and alumni teammates to rally to their cause for practical support.

Assuming these students are sincerely committed to playing the game, see this 1st person &lt;a href=&quot;http://advocatesforrotc.org/columbia/history2006.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;account&lt;/a&gt; by a student leader of a recent counter-Left campus campaign to gather an idea of what the &lt;i&gt;start&lt;/i&gt; of the game looks like. The details vary widely, of course, but the game is essentially the game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I left a comment there plus see my comment here to carl in atlanta.</p>
<p>The Right needs to rally around the students. Most of all, the precious few genuine activists on the Right need to reach out and provide them practical instruction and support ASAP.</p>
<p>Anti-left liberals need to rally and be rallied to the cause.</p>
<p>As physicsguy highlighted, the students need local faculty and alumni teammates to rally to their cause for practical support.</p>
<p>Assuming these students are sincerely committed to playing the game, see this 1st person <a href="http://advocatesforrotc.org/columbia/history2006.html" rel="nofollow">account</a> by a student leader of a recent counter-Left campus campaign to gather an idea of what the <i>start</i> of the game looks like. The details vary widely, of course, but the game is essentially the game.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[carl in atlanta,

It&#039;s a necessary start. If they&#039;re sincerely committed, then now they&#039;re rookies playing veterans. They&#039;ll have to go through the normal competitive iterations of defeat and victory, failure and success, to learn the game and catch up to the competition. 

The few accomplished Right activists, such as the changers that Neo likes to feature, should reach out to the students to teach and support them as best they can.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>carl in atlanta,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a necessary start. If they&#8217;re sincerely committed, then now they&#8217;re rookies playing veterans. They&#8217;ll have to go through the normal competitive iterations of defeat and victory, failure and success, to learn the game and catch up to the competition. </p>
<p>The few accomplished Right activists, such as the changers that Neo likes to feature, should reach out to the students to teach and support them as best they can.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric, physcisguy:

Have you seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2015/11/13/bravo-to-some-brave-voices-at-claremont-mckenna/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;? Curious what you think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, physcisguy:</p>
<p>Have you seen <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2015/11/13/bravo-to-some-brave-voices-at-claremont-mckenna/" rel="nofollow">this</a>? Curious what you think.</p>
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		By: carl in atlanta		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/11/12/demonstrators-want-a-black-only-healing-space/#comment-937005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[carl in atlanta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 19:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And here are some students hitting back (Eric should like this one): 

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/360060.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And here are some students hitting back (Eric should like this one): </p>
<p><a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/360060.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ace.mu.nu/archives/360060.php</a></p>
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