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		By: Avi		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/30/after-wednesdays-debate-its-attack-rubio-time-for-jeb-and-the-left/#comment-934416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Avi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama speaking ability is orating off a Teleprompter (which I always thought he was overrated). Rubio has the ability of like Bill Clinton to speak extemporaneously in grammatically correct well thought out sentences. Obama extemporaneously is full of um, um, er, um ,you know, um er.extemporaneously he&#039;s quite pathetic]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama speaking ability is orating off a Teleprompter (which I always thought he was overrated). Rubio has the ability of like Bill Clinton to speak extemporaneously in grammatically correct well thought out sentences. Obama extemporaneously is full of um, um, er, um ,you know, um er.extemporaneously he&#8217;s quite pathetic</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Yet on the Right, “mainstream” conservatives continue to refuse to play the activist game and,&lt;/b&gt;

Because they are loud and have seniority on issues.

But it doesn&#039;t mean they understand 4th gen warfare or technology in the information age.

It is always the case that older generations, someone mentioned above 45 year old here, are pretty clueless about somethings that the new generation view as closer to their heart. Normally that&#039;s a pejorative stance, but it can also go in reverse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Yet on the Right, “mainstream” conservatives continue to refuse to play the activist game and,</b></p>
<p>Because they are loud and have seniority on issues.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t mean they understand 4th gen warfare or technology in the information age.</p>
<p>It is always the case that older generations, someone mentioned above 45 year old here, are pretty clueless about somethings that the new generation view as closer to their heart. Normally that&#8217;s a pejorative stance, but it can also go in reverse.</p>
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		By: roc scssrs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[roc scssrs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I liked Cruz in the last debate and I&#039;m probably in agreement with a lot of his positions, but I just can&#039;t used to that persona. I&#039;m not sure he&#039;d be good at governing--it always seems to me that all he wants to do is score debating points.

We thought this was the year for experienced governors, but Walker is gone, Jindal can&#039;t get started, Huckabee and Bush were governors too long ago (?), Christie will always have Bridgegate, Kasich likes to annoy conservatives. Of the poised and articulate senators, Rubio seems more electable. I like Fiorina but she worked for an evil corporation (I find it shocking how few people in this country understand profit, loss, or anything at all about the economy). Carson would make a good president for a parliamentary country where there&#039;s a prime minister to do all the dirty work, and he could go to funerals and be a symbol of all that is good in the country. I don&#039;t know what to make of Trump--all the work that goes on thinking, analyzing, explaining conservative principles--and the base goes for Trump! If he winds up running against Hillary, I&#039;ll be looking third party.

I see I forgot my old fave, Rick Santorum, he&#039;s so far down!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Cruz in the last debate and I&#8217;m probably in agreement with a lot of his positions, but I just can&#8217;t used to that persona. I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;d be good at governing&#8211;it always seems to me that all he wants to do is score debating points.</p>
<p>We thought this was the year for experienced governors, but Walker is gone, Jindal can&#8217;t get started, Huckabee and Bush were governors too long ago (?), Christie will always have Bridgegate, Kasich likes to annoy conservatives. Of the poised and articulate senators, Rubio seems more electable. I like Fiorina but she worked for an evil corporation (I find it shocking how few people in this country understand profit, loss, or anything at all about the economy). Carson would make a good president for a parliamentary country where there&#8217;s a prime minister to do all the dirty work, and he could go to funerals and be a symbol of all that is good in the country. I don&#8217;t know what to make of Trump&#8211;all the work that goes on thinking, analyzing, explaining conservative principles&#8211;and the base goes for Trump! If he winds up running against Hillary, I&#8217;ll be looking third party.</p>
<p>I see I forgot my old fave, Rick Santorum, he&#8217;s so far down!</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RUBIO is the candidate which Hillary &#038; Company and the Lib-Left-Dem-Koolaid Consumers fear most. He&#039;s JFK without the baggage. The press smarmers protected Senator and, subsequently, President Kennedy from public exposure to his huge deficits of character and health. A few...like Addison&#039;s Disease, Amphetamine Abuse, Multiple-Compulsive Sexual Romps outside Jackie and nearly up to his Dallas trip, etc.

No such &quot;Honor&quot; among MSM-Thieves exists today. Marco Rubio&#039;s life is an open book. Strength of Character, Integrity, Honor, Conservatism, Smart as Hell, Articulate/Nimble/Strong of Spine. Lemme seeee...Handsome, eloquent, knows how to prioritize...There, some of the things this Lifelong So.Californian, now Central Floridian, likes about the man. (*Ohhhh...Adores and honors his wife!!*)

And LOVES this Country and its unique Liberty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RUBIO is the candidate which Hillary &amp; Company and the Lib-Left-Dem-Koolaid Consumers fear most. He&#8217;s JFK without the baggage. The press smarmers protected Senator and, subsequently, President Kennedy from public exposure to his huge deficits of character and health. A few&#8230;like Addison&#8217;s Disease, Amphetamine Abuse, Multiple-Compulsive Sexual Romps outside Jackie and nearly up to his Dallas trip, etc.</p>
<p>No such &#8220;Honor&#8221; among MSM-Thieves exists today. Marco Rubio&#8217;s life is an open book. Strength of Character, Integrity, Honor, Conservatism, Smart as Hell, Articulate/Nimble/Strong of Spine. Lemme seeee&#8230;Handsome, eloquent, knows how to prioritize&#8230;There, some of the things this Lifelong So.Californian, now Central Floridian, likes about the man. (*Ohhhh&#8230;Adores and honors his wife!!*)</p>
<p>And LOVES this Country and its unique Liberty.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I realize that there are great differences between Rubio and Obama; but there are disturbing similarities in the way people react to attributes that have little to do with governing.

If I wanted to go outside of the mainstream politicians, I would go Fiorina, Cruz, then Rubio.

I will, of course, support to the limits of my ability the GOP nominee against HRC.  Even if it is Trump--but, that would be tough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I realize that there are great differences between Rubio and Obama; but there are disturbing similarities in the way people react to attributes that have little to do with governing.</p>
<p>If I wanted to go outside of the mainstream politicians, I would go Fiorina, Cruz, then Rubio.</p>
<p>I will, of course, support to the limits of my ability the GOP nominee against HRC.  Even if it is Trump&#8211;but, that would be tough.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oldflyer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 15:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KLSmith: I am glad you were able to get the snarkiness out of your system for now.

Told you once, but I guess you are a slow learner.  You don&#039;t need to  worry about my feeling; nothing at all tender there.  They were honed by 25 years in the USN, where feelings were not a big issue--until recently.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KLSmith: I am glad you were able to get the snarkiness out of your system for now.</p>
<p>Told you once, but I guess you are a slow learner.  You don&#8217;t need to  worry about my feeling; nothing at all tender there.  They were honed by 25 years in the USN, where feelings were not a big issue&#8211;until recently.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oldflyer:

All of this reliance on current polls is a dangerous thing because it creates a bandwagon effect. Because Candidate X is leading he draws more money and voters. Hence, inevitable.

Monmouth released an Iowa poll on October 27th and only 19% of voters are firmly committed. In July Scott Walker was a clear number one.

Carson and Trump are not qualified to be president. Those voters will move. 

This dirt on Rubio may be old news in Florida but is new news in the other 49 states. The use of some other entity&#039;s credit card for his own personal use greatly concerns me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oldflyer:</p>
<p>All of this reliance on current polls is a dangerous thing because it creates a bandwagon effect. Because Candidate X is leading he draws more money and voters. Hence, inevitable.</p>
<p>Monmouth released an Iowa poll on October 27th and only 19% of voters are firmly committed. In July Scott Walker was a clear number one.</p>
<p>Carson and Trump are not qualified to be president. Those voters will move. </p>
<p>This dirt on Rubio may be old news in Florida but is new news in the other 49 states. The use of some other entity&#8217;s credit card for his own personal use greatly concerns me.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 13:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar: &quot;The youth vote is going the way Youtube and the internet tells them to go, which is namely Leftist thought police or anti Leftist rebels.&quot;

The activist game, the only social cultural/political game there is.

As you allude to, priority is gaining control of and deploying the social nodes that produce and market narratives that prevail in the zeitgeist.  That&#039;s a function for a competitive collective activist movement, which means it&#039;s a Right function. It&#039;s not a GOP function.

Yet on the Right, &quot;mainstream&quot; conservatives continue to refuse to play the activist game and, instead, insist that Republicans achieve the activist function that belongs to the Right. The celebration of GOP candidates turning on the CNBC moderators is just another example of &quot;mainstream&quot; conservatives calling on Republicans to take on the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist while bereft of the activism by the Right that&#039;s needed to seize the social nodes.

Nature abhors a vacuum in any competition, including the activist game that subsumes electoral politics. The effect of &quot;mainstream&quot; conservatives&#039; unwillingness to be activist is an opening for &quot;anti Leftist rebels&quot; from the alt-Right who &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; willing to be activist to displace and ultimately replace the &quot;mainstream&quot; conservatives whose unwillingness to be activist is rendering themselves obsolete in the activist game. 

The Left activist takeover of the Democrats points the way for Right activists ... or hungry alt-Right activists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar: &#8220;The youth vote is going the way Youtube and the internet tells them to go, which is namely Leftist thought police or anti Leftist rebels.&#8221;</p>
<p>The activist game, the only social cultural/political game there is.</p>
<p>As you allude to, priority is gaining control of and deploying the social nodes that produce and market narratives that prevail in the zeitgeist.  That&#8217;s a function for a competitive collective activist movement, which means it&#8217;s a Right function. It&#8217;s not a GOP function.</p>
<p>Yet on the Right, &#8220;mainstream&#8221; conservatives continue to refuse to play the activist game and, instead, insist that Republicans achieve the activist function that belongs to the Right. The celebration of GOP candidates turning on the CNBC moderators is just another example of &#8220;mainstream&#8221; conservatives calling on Republicans to take on the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist while bereft of the activism by the Right that&#8217;s needed to seize the social nodes.</p>
<p>Nature abhors a vacuum in any competition, including the activist game that subsumes electoral politics. The effect of &#8220;mainstream&#8221; conservatives&#8217; unwillingness to be activist is an opening for &#8220;anti Leftist rebels&#8221; from the alt-Right who <i>are</i> willing to be activist to displace and ultimately replace the &#8220;mainstream&#8221; conservatives whose unwillingness to be activist is rendering themselves obsolete in the activist game. </p>
<p>The Left activist takeover of the Democrats points the way for Right activists &#8230; or hungry alt-Right activists.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Appealing to the youth vote, etc., is part of winning. &lt;/b&gt;

The youth vote is going the way Youtube and the internet tells them to go, which is namely Leftist thought police or anti Leftist rebels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Appealing to the youth vote, etc., is part of winning. </b></p>
<p>The youth vote is going the way Youtube and the internet tells them to go, which is namely Leftist thought police or anti Leftist rebels.</p>
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		By: M J R		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M J R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2015 06:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[President Hopenchange is sure he&#039;s smarter than everyone about everything.  I cannot at all see him soliciting advice from any advisers, because he already knows more than they do, whatever they&#039;d be advising him on.  (There are a couple of specific quotes out there to that effect, but I&#039;m too lazy to dredge them up right now.)

I do not see that in Rubio -- or in Carson, Cruz, or Fiorina, or in virtually any of the others.  (I *think* even Trump is open to advice, but he may turn out to be problematic in that regard.)  Anyway, major difference there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Hopenchange is sure he&#8217;s smarter than everyone about everything.  I cannot at all see him soliciting advice from any advisers, because he already knows more than they do, whatever they&#8217;d be advising him on.  (There are a couple of specific quotes out there to that effect, but I&#8217;m too lazy to dredge them up right now.)</p>
<p>I do not see that in Rubio &#8212; or in Carson, Cruz, or Fiorina, or in virtually any of the others.  (I *think* even Trump is open to advice, but he may turn out to be problematic in that regard.)  Anyway, major difference there.</p>
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