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		By: The Bookworm Beat 10-27-15 â€” â€œitâ€™s just another dayâ€ edition and open thread &#124; H2o Positivo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Bookworm Beat 10-27-15 â€” â€œitâ€™s just another dayâ€ edition and open thread &#124; H2o Positivo]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] I drew out at greater length than usual just to see if anything would interrupt her shtick) because neo-neocon also commented upon the Democrats&#8217; unwillingness to look at the substance of what Hillary said, preferring [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I drew out at greater length than usual just to see if anything would interrupt her shtick) because neo-neocon also commented upon the Democrats&#8217; unwillingness to look at the substance of what Hillary said, preferring [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: The Bookworm Beat 10-27-15 &#8212; &#8220;it&#8217;s just another day&#8221; edition and open thread		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2015 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] I drew out at greater length than usual just to see if anything would interrupt her shtick) because neo-neocon also commented upon the Democrats&#8217; unwillingness to look at the substance of what Hillary said, preferring [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I drew out at greater length than usual just to see if anything would interrupt her shtick) because neo-neocon also commented upon the Democrats&#8217; unwillingness to look at the substance of what Hillary said, preferring [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2015 04:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Simply, solving your frustration with the GOP on this issue requires the Right to arm the GOP like the Left arms the Democrats to at least level the playing field.&lt;/b&gt;

Arming a bunch of cowards and weaklings won&#039;t do much. The Left trained their politicians from scratch, from the bottom up. The GOP would need the same kind of purging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Simply, solving your frustration with the GOP on this issue requires the Right to arm the GOP like the Left arms the Democrats to at least level the playing field.</b></p>
<p>Arming a bunch of cowards and weaklings won&#8217;t do much. The Left trained their politicians from scratch, from the bottom up. The GOP would need the same kind of purging.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2015 23:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Emperor Palpatine had a lot of applause, so that would be Hussein. The Empress part doesn&#039;t come in until sometime later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emperor Palpatine had a lot of applause, so that would be Hussein. The Empress part doesn&#8217;t come in until sometime later.</p>
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		By: El Polacko		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/23/more-musings-on-hillary-clintons-benghazi-testimony-yesterday/#comment-932412</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[El Polacko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I watched a bit of the Hillary hearing and what impressed me was how out of their depth the interrogators on the Republican side seemed to be when pitted against Cankles. 

They dealt with her as if she was someone who could actually feel remorse or shame, when that particular emotion was excised out of her back in her Wellseley days. 

She knows she is untouchable and simply doesn’t care and spent the hearing looking like she was about to yawn in the faces of the hayseeds trying to take her down. 

I think the Repubs are barking up the wrong tree on this one. The real crime is the intentional violations of the Official Secrets Acts, and her premeditated concealment of the record of her time in office. 

Chances of the Obama Justice Department acting on those felonies? Zero to none. 

The crowing on the left is always something to behold, but NYT’s Maureen Dowd’s headline celebration of Emperess Palpatine was the best: “The Empire Strikes Back”.

I have no problem imagining that bloodless machine calling in an air strike on a Republican “District Twelve” like President Snow did in the Hunger Games. 

The Ruling Class has their Empress Palpatine. 

God help us all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a bit of the Hillary hearing and what impressed me was how out of their depth the interrogators on the Republican side seemed to be when pitted against Cankles. </p>
<p>They dealt with her as if she was someone who could actually feel remorse or shame, when that particular emotion was excised out of her back in her Wellseley days. </p>
<p>She knows she is untouchable and simply doesn’t care and spent the hearing looking like she was about to yawn in the faces of the hayseeds trying to take her down. </p>
<p>I think the Repubs are barking up the wrong tree on this one. The real crime is the intentional violations of the Official Secrets Acts, and her premeditated concealment of the record of her time in office. </p>
<p>Chances of the Obama Justice Department acting on those felonies? Zero to none. </p>
<p>The crowing on the left is always something to behold, but NYT’s Maureen Dowd’s headline celebration of Emperess Palpatine was the best: “The Empire Strikes Back”.</p>
<p>I have no problem imagining that bloodless machine calling in an air strike on a Republican “District Twelve” like President Snow did in the Hunger Games. </p>
<p>The Ruling Class has their Empress Palpatine. </p>
<p>God help us all.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Progressives don&#039;t listen to us, and we should return the favor. We know what is right and just. When we get power, we should prosecute Hillary. The MSM will scream about all the years of disingenuous propaganda they&#039;ve spouted &quot;proving&quot; her innocence, and our response will be &quot;sorry, but I don&#039;t watch your program.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives don&#8217;t listen to us, and we should return the favor. We know what is right and just. When we get power, we should prosecute Hillary. The MSM will scream about all the years of disingenuous propaganda they&#8217;ve spouted &#8220;proving&#8221; her innocence, and our response will be &#8220;sorry, but I don&#8217;t watch your program.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh. let&#039;s stop already. The investigation of Benghazi is an investigation of evil by intelligence. legality, morality,   which matter no longer. The Benghazi  obfuscation delivered re-election to Barack Hussein Obama. Obama owes Hillary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. let&#8217;s stop already. The investigation of Benghazi is an investigation of evil by intelligence. legality, morality,   which matter no longer. The Benghazi  obfuscation delivered re-election to Barack Hussein Obama. Obama owes Hillary.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A rhetorical reason that the GOP has difficulty making headway in the public judgement is the cornerstone premise of the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission. It mitigates the political impact of the Benghazi killings like it undermines the pushback to Obama&#039;s nuclear deal with Iran.

Contrast with the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission is the basic justification and excuse - the linchpin - for Obama&#039;s whole ME policy, including with Libya, Iran, Syria, and of course, Iraq. 

So one, irrespective of the (de)merits of Obama&#039;s Libya policy, it was presented from the outset as a purposeful contrast to the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission. Any not-Iraq ME policy is justified on that basis. If the Iraq mission is widely accepted as a polar wrong and failure, then anything wrong with the not-Iraq Libya policy has built-in mitigation.

Following from that premise, many, many more Americans died in Iraq than Libya. If the Iraq mission was wrong and a failure, the logic then is even if mistakes were made, the Benghazi killings are at worst the lower cost of the lesser of two evils in the not-Iraq Libya policy. They&#039;re viewed as a &lt;i&gt;tragedy&lt;/i&gt; that at least avoided the worse alternative. 

Following from that logic, if at worst, a handful of Americans died in Benghazi due to mistakes that were made from a not-Iraq Libya policy justified by its contrast to the Iraq policy from which thousands of Americans died, then it&#039;s simple to sell that the GOP that&#039;s held responsible for the Iraq mission is making an obscene political attack on Clinton with a shocking lack of self-awareness. 
  
In order to effectively criticize Obama&#039;s ME policy generally and set the necessary narrative frame for public judgement of the Benghazi controversy specifically, it&#039;s necessary to pull out the linchpin. The GOP and Right must set the record straight on the Iraq mission and kill the false/BDS narrative for the zeitgeist, &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; discredit promoters of the false/BDS narrative. 

&lt;b&gt;Physicsguy&lt;/b&gt;,

See my comments upthread and above. 

The tack you want the GOP to take with the Benghazi controversy is effective depending on Right activists constructing the practical preconditions and rhetorical premises to set the stage with the necessary narrative frame for the zeitgeist. 

Simply, solving your frustration with the GOP on this issue requires the Right to arm the GOP like the Left arms the Democrats to at least level the playing field. Setting the stage is part of the competition. Without the Right collectively doing their part as a competitive Marxist-method social activist movement &lt;i&gt;first&lt;/i&gt;, the GOP cannot effectively do what you want.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rhetorical reason that the GOP has difficulty making headway in the public judgement is the cornerstone premise of the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission. It mitigates the political impact of the Benghazi killings like it undermines the pushback to Obama&#8217;s nuclear deal with Iran.</p>
<p>Contrast with the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission is the basic justification and excuse &#8211; the linchpin &#8211; for Obama&#8217;s whole ME policy, including with Libya, Iran, Syria, and of course, Iraq. </p>
<p>So one, irrespective of the (de)merits of Obama&#8217;s Libya policy, it was presented from the outset as a purposeful contrast to the false/BDS narrative of the Iraq mission. Any not-Iraq ME policy is justified on that basis. If the Iraq mission is widely accepted as a polar wrong and failure, then anything wrong with the not-Iraq Libya policy has built-in mitigation.</p>
<p>Following from that premise, many, many more Americans died in Iraq than Libya. If the Iraq mission was wrong and a failure, the logic then is even if mistakes were made, the Benghazi killings are at worst the lower cost of the lesser of two evils in the not-Iraq Libya policy. They&#8217;re viewed as a <i>tragedy</i> that at least avoided the worse alternative. </p>
<p>Following from that logic, if at worst, a handful of Americans died in Benghazi due to mistakes that were made from a not-Iraq Libya policy justified by its contrast to the Iraq policy from which thousands of Americans died, then it&#8217;s simple to sell that the GOP that&#8217;s held responsible for the Iraq mission is making an obscene political attack on Clinton with a shocking lack of self-awareness. </p>
<p>In order to effectively criticize Obama&#8217;s ME policy generally and set the necessary narrative frame for public judgement of the Benghazi controversy specifically, it&#8217;s necessary to pull out the linchpin. The GOP and Right must set the record straight on the Iraq mission and kill the false/BDS narrative for the zeitgeist, <i>and</i> discredit promoters of the false/BDS narrative. </p>
<p><b>Physicsguy</b>,</p>
<p>See my comments upthread and above. </p>
<p>The tack you want the GOP to take with the Benghazi controversy is effective depending on Right activists constructing the practical preconditions and rhetorical premises to set the stage with the necessary narrative frame for the zeitgeist. </p>
<p>Simply, solving your frustration with the GOP on this issue requires the Right to arm the GOP like the Left arms the Democrats to at least level the playing field. Setting the stage is part of the competition. Without the Right collectively doing their part as a competitive Marxist-method social activist movement <i>first</i>, the GOP cannot effectively do what you want.</p>
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		By: Physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Building on what Anne said yesterday, my disappointment in the GOP continues.  Why didn&#039;t someone look that b***ch in the eye and say, &quot;madam, your total lack of human decency is astounding.  You stood there with the bodies of the slain Americans and their families mere feet away, and repeated your disgusting lie. How evil are you?&quot;

It was a perfect opportunity to call her out, but no one had the guts to do it.  Where are our Sam Ervin&#039;s and Winston Churchills?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Building on what Anne said yesterday, my disappointment in the GOP continues.  Why didn&#8217;t someone look that b***ch in the eye and say, &#8220;madam, your total lack of human decency is astounding.  You stood there with the bodies of the slain Americans and their families mere feet away, and repeated your disgusting lie. How evil are you?&#8221;</p>
<p>It was a perfect opportunity to call her out, but no one had the guts to do it.  Where are our Sam Ervin&#8217;s and Winston Churchills?</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2015 03:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If vociferous Aunt Minnie shows up unarmed on my front porch I will give her a glass of ice tea or a cup of hot chocolate depending upon the season.  In a hot civil war 90% of the left will be shaking with fear in a closet. Currently we are in a cold civil war and vociferous Anunt Minnie is mesmerized by cnn, msnbc, and the rest of the msm. Fish in a barrel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If vociferous Aunt Minnie shows up unarmed on my front porch I will give her a glass of ice tea or a cup of hot chocolate depending upon the season.  In a hot civil war 90% of the left will be shaking with fear in a closet. Currently we are in a cold civil war and vociferous Anunt Minnie is mesmerized by cnn, msnbc, and the rest of the msm. Fish in a barrel.</p>
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