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		By: Great Art		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Great Art]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Great Art&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]neo-neocon &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on the Canadian election, and on ours[...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Great Art</strong></p>
<p>[&#8230;]neo-neocon &raquo; Blog Archive &raquo; More on the Canadian election, and on ours[&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2015 01:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jacques Brel nailed Obama and Trudeau a long time ago in his song Jacky:

If I could be for only an hour,
If I could be for one hour every day -- 
If I could be for just one little hour,
Cute, Cute, Cute in a stupid ass way!

A somewhat overblown cover, by a singer I never heard of -- Scott Walker!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKtZf62BQzM]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacques Brel nailed Obama and Trudeau a long time ago in his song Jacky:</p>
<p>If I could be for only an hour,<br />
If I could be for one hour every day &#8212;<br />
If I could be for just one little hour,<br />
Cute, Cute, Cute in a stupid ass way!</p>
<p>A somewhat overblown cover, by a singer I never heard of &#8212; Scott Walker!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKtZf62BQzM" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKtZf62BQzM</a></p>
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		By: Maggie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/21/more-on-the-canadian-election-and-on-ours/#comment-931534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog:

Also look at the popular vote -

LIB - 39.50% (Trudeau)
CON - 31.90% (Harper)
NDP - 19.70% (Mulcair - Socialist)
REST   6.00% (Green etc)

Again, hardly a rout for Harper.
p.s. the seats went up cos of population increases although you must remember that in Quebec (ONLY) these numbers can never go down below 75 regardless of population.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog:</p>
<p>Also look at the popular vote &#8211;</p>
<p>LIB &#8211; 39.50% (Trudeau)<br />
CON &#8211; 31.90% (Harper)<br />
NDP &#8211; 19.70% (Mulcair &#8211; Socialist)<br />
REST   6.00% (Green etc)</p>
<p>Again, hardly a rout for Harper.<br />
p.s. the seats went up cos of population increases although you must remember that in Quebec (ONLY) these numbers can never go down below 75 regardless of population.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/21/more-on-the-canadian-election-and-on-ours/#comment-931506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:
What Shoshana said:&quot;  I guarantee you it wasn’t because of a personality contest or because most of us agreed with the Liberal platform. We did not collectively decide it would ‘cool’ to have the Dauphin as Prime Minister as much as we needed to punish the Tories.&quot;

Actual Results, by # of seats in Parliament:
                      2011            2015              change
Liberals             34                184              +150
Tory                 166                99                 -67
New Dem          103               44                 -59
Green                  4                 10                 +6
Quebecois            1                  1                   0   
Total# Seats      308               338              +30 

Source: BBC
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So you see the Parliamentary effect at work. The # of Seats (total) increased by 10% in 4 years (I have no clue why). The Libs took those, apparently. The New Dems got killed, losing over half its seats. The loss of Tory seats accounts for only 39% of the 150 seat Liberal gain. Everything else held constant, the Tory loss by itself was not enough to give Liberals a majority.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:<br />
What Shoshana said:&#8221;  I guarantee you it wasn’t because of a personality contest or because most of us agreed with the Liberal platform. We did not collectively decide it would ‘cool’ to have the Dauphin as Prime Minister as much as we needed to punish the Tories.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actual Results, by # of seats in Parliament:<br />
                      2011            2015              change<br />
Liberals             34                184              +150<br />
Tory                 166                99                 -67<br />
New Dem          103               44                 -59<br />
Green                  4                 10                 +6<br />
Quebecois            1                  1                   0<br />
Total# Seats      308               338              +30 </p>
<p>Source: BBC<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
So you see the Parliamentary effect at work. The # of Seats (total) increased by 10% in 4 years (I have no clue why). The Libs took those, apparently. The New Dems got killed, losing over half its seats. The loss of Tory seats accounts for only 39% of the 150 seat Liberal gain. Everything else held constant, the Tory loss by itself was not enough to give Liberals a majority.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/21/more-on-the-canadian-election-and-on-ours/#comment-931465</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frog:

Whether or not Shoshana herself voted liberal, I assumed that she was describing why &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; conservatives voted liberal.  Perhaps I&#039;m wrong in that interpretation.  But why else would the liberals have won with such an enormous increase in their votes?  Where else would their votes have come from?  

The Prime Minister in a parliamentary system can still do a lot of good or a lot of damage, both in the country and in the world at large, even in a less-influential country such as Canada.  And of course, in this country, a president can do that much more damage here and abroad, and is that much more difficult to get rid of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frog:</p>
<p>Whether or not Shoshana herself voted liberal, I assumed that she was describing why <i>other</i> conservatives voted liberal.  Perhaps I&#8217;m wrong in that interpretation.  But why else would the liberals have won with such an enormous increase in their votes?  Where else would their votes have come from?  </p>
<p>The Prime Minister in a parliamentary system can still do a lot of good or a lot of damage, both in the country and in the world at large, even in a less-influential country such as Canada.  And of course, in this country, a president can do that much more damage here and abroad, and is that much more difficult to get rid of.</p>
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		By: Frog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think criticism of Shoshana&#039;s remarks 1) overlooks her statement that she did NOT vote Liberal, and 2) ignores the fact Canada has a Parliamentary system, not a two-party rig like the USA. It seems entirely reasonable to me to punish the Tories by not voting for them, and also not voting for the Liberals, but voting for some lesser, trivial junior party. Doing that does not guarantee the massive victory the Liberal received. Far from it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think criticism of Shoshana&#8217;s remarks 1) overlooks her statement that she did NOT vote Liberal, and 2) ignores the fact Canada has a Parliamentary system, not a two-party rig like the USA. It seems entirely reasonable to me to punish the Tories by not voting for them, and also not voting for the Liberals, but voting for some lesser, trivial junior party. Doing that does not guarantee the massive victory the Liberal received. Far from it</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 17:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russia’s Winning the Electronic War (Russian tech jams comm and drone NATO signals)
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/  

that “you can’t but come to the conclusion that we’re not making progress at the pace the threat demands.” Lt. Gen. Edward Cardon

Dealing with falling budgets, a lack of EW equipment, and a force that is shrinking by tens of thousands of troops, Church says that he has managed to train only a few hundred soldiers – a fraction of the EW forces that are fielded by potential adversaries like Russia and China

&lt;b&gt;“They have companies, they have battalions, they have brigades that are dedicated to the electronic warfare mission,” &lt;/b&gt;  Col. Jeffrey Church
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia’s Winning the Electronic War (Russian tech jams comm and drone NATO signals)<br />
<a href="http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/</a>  </p>
<p>that “you can’t but come to the conclusion that we’re not making progress at the pace the threat demands.” Lt. Gen. Edward Cardon</p>
<p>Dealing with falling budgets, a lack of EW equipment, and a force that is shrinking by tens of thousands of troops, Church says that he has managed to train only a few hundred soldiers – a fraction of the EW forces that are fielded by potential adversaries like Russia and China</p>
<p><b>“They have companies, they have battalions, they have brigades that are dedicated to the electronic warfare mission,” </b>  Col. Jeffrey Church<br />
[edited by n-n: repetitive belittling content omitted.] </p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The GOP needs to stop bringing a &#039;derder&#039; to a knife fight. [cardboard toilet paper roll]

As Evan Thomas said in 2004, journalists&#039; bias for Kerry was worth 15 points at the polls.  But the point people seem to fail to grasp is that the damage doesn&#039;t happen during the campaign.  It is the drip, drip, drip of daily left wing BS that is ingested 365 in non-election years that does all the harm.  Voters are more tuned to look for bias during the campaign.  It&#039;s the &#039;news&#039; which isn&#039;t overtly political which sets the stage for making the GOP look mean or extreme.

Declare war on the news media.  Refuse to deal with them.  Use the internet, talk radio, etc to communicate with the voters.  Draw the battle lines.  Will they get ridiculed?  Sure.  But they no longer would provide cover for the &quot;refs&quot; who are constantly bashing them in the head with a chair, or sucker punching them in the back.  By pretending the news media is fair, the GOP endorses all the dirty tricks that are inflicted on them.

Tell the truth.  If nothing else, the base would begin to have a tiny bit of respect for the spineless wimps.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The GOP needs to stop bringing a &#8216;derder&#8217; to a knife fight. [cardboard toilet paper roll]</p>
<p>As Evan Thomas said in 2004, journalists&#8217; bias for Kerry was worth 15 points at the polls.  But the point people seem to fail to grasp is that the damage doesn&#8217;t happen during the campaign.  It is the drip, drip, drip of daily left wing BS that is ingested 365 in non-election years that does all the harm.  Voters are more tuned to look for bias during the campaign.  It&#8217;s the &#8216;news&#8217; which isn&#8217;t overtly political which sets the stage for making the GOP look mean or extreme.</p>
<p>Declare war on the news media.  Refuse to deal with them.  Use the internet, talk radio, etc to communicate with the voters.  Draw the battle lines.  Will they get ridiculed?  Sure.  But they no longer would provide cover for the &#8220;refs&#8221; who are constantly bashing them in the head with a chair, or sucker punching them in the back.  By pretending the news media is fair, the GOP endorses all the dirty tricks that are inflicted on them.</p>
<p>Tell the truth.  If nothing else, the base would begin to have a tiny bit of respect for the spineless wimps.</p>
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		By: formwiz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[formwiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I remember how important the “he understands me” vote was in 2012&quot;

No, dear, if Choomie had been winning, they wouldn&#039;t have had to crank up the vote fraud machine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I remember how important the “he understands me” vote was in 2012&#8221;</p>
<p>No, dear, if Choomie had been winning, they wouldn&#8217;t have had to crank up the vote fraud machine.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...but as a leftist Democrat she’s got that built-in assumption of caring.&quot;

It seems that this is a case of &quot;That was then; this is now.&quot;

Seriously, Clinton caring?

I think that this record of &quot;caring&quot; can be and ought to be attacked for everything it&#039;s worth by the GOP contender.

Democrats caring? 

Maybe once upon a time. And maybe some still do.

Sanders caring? The man is an utter goofball, who cares about the common man (income equality?) like any good Stalinist apparatchik.

But the record of seven years of Obama&#039;s lies---and this ought to be publicized to the hilt as well---that record is: a very much weakened middle class, no advancement to speak of for the underclass, and a tsunami of immigrants, which will make an already untenable situation totally impossible. Add to that a bloated deficit and a failed &quot;recovery&quot;---though given Obama&#039;s M.O., it was designed to fail. Big time.

And all this without even starting in on Obama&#039;s foreign policy &quot;achievements&quot;.

The GOP candidate must do this or else be considered utterly unserious.

And if such an attack on Obama is called &quot;bigoted&quot; or &quot;racist,&quot; then that juvenile, victim-playing sandcastle ought to be kicked over good and hard.

It&#039;s all just staring everyone in the face.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;but as a leftist Democrat she’s got that built-in assumption of caring.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that this is a case of &#8220;That was then; this is now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, Clinton caring?</p>
<p>I think that this record of &#8220;caring&#8221; can be and ought to be attacked for everything it&#8217;s worth by the GOP contender.</p>
<p>Democrats caring? </p>
<p>Maybe once upon a time. And maybe some still do.</p>
<p>Sanders caring? The man is an utter goofball, who cares about the common man (income equality?) like any good Stalinist apparatchik.</p>
<p>But the record of seven years of Obama&#8217;s lies&#8212;and this ought to be publicized to the hilt as well&#8212;that record is: a very much weakened middle class, no advancement to speak of for the underclass, and a tsunami of immigrants, which will make an already untenable situation totally impossible. Add to that a bloated deficit and a failed &#8220;recovery&#8221;&#8212;though given Obama&#8217;s M.O., it was designed to fail. Big time.</p>
<p>And all this without even starting in on Obama&#8217;s foreign policy &#8220;achievements&#8221;.</p>
<p>The GOP candidate must do this or else be considered utterly unserious.</p>
<p>And if such an attack on Obama is called &#8220;bigoted&#8221; or &#8220;racist,&#8221; then that juvenile, victim-playing sandcastle ought to be kicked over good and hard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all just staring everyone in the face.</p>
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