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		By: George Pal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929569</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Pal]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,

&lt;i&gt;”Pal thinks he has a place to stand on calling others to account for ad hominem arguments.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I most certainly do, when warranted. I called out the other for having initiated ad hominem argumentum. In your case I answered in kind to your ad hominem argumentum. In neither case had I taken to the low road first. If you would not have it applied to you then relent in applying it to others. Surely you see the principle involved. Yes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p><i>”Pal thinks he has a place to stand on calling others to account for ad hominem arguments.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I most certainly do, when warranted. I called out the other for having initiated ad hominem argumentum. In your case I answered in kind to your ad hominem argumentum. In neither case had I taken to the low road first. If you would not have it applied to you then relent in applying it to others. Surely you see the principle involved. Yes?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I had not called people crazy, I called you crazy.&lt;/b&gt;

After admitting to the use of ad hominem arguments, one has to wonder why Pal thinks he has a place to stand on calling others to account for ad hominem arguments.

Just because you know how to use them, you get to decide when others are using them as well, is that how it is with middle levels now a days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I had not called people crazy, I called you crazy.</b></p>
<p>After admitting to the use of ad hominem arguments, one has to wonder why Pal thinks he has a place to stand on calling others to account for ad hominem arguments.</p>
<p>Just because you know how to use them, you get to decide when others are using them as well, is that how it is with middle levels now a days.</p>
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		By: George Pal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Pal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 16:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve57

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The lady doth protest too much, methinks.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Hamlet’s mum, essentially about herself.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The lady doth protest too much, methinks.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Hamlet’s mum, essentially about herself.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929474</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I also enjoyed how, when I insisted on pointing out that the Soviet Russians pursued the foreign policy of Czarist Russia effectively unchanged, I lacked the &quot;grey matter&quot; to &quot;discern the difference between pre/post Revolutionary Russia and the interim’s Soviet Union.&quot;

Until the weight of the evidence sufficiently embarrassed you, George. Then you did an about face and all of a sudden I was Captain Obvious.

&quot;&lt;em&gt;&#039;this craven George Pal individual. Having established he is both a knave and a fool&#039;&lt;/em&gt;
along with your childish condescension...&quot;

What do you mean, condescension? That is not &lt;strike&gt;ad hominem&lt;/strike&gt;  condescension that is astonishment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also enjoyed how, when I insisted on pointing out that the Soviet Russians pursued the foreign policy of Czarist Russia effectively unchanged, I lacked the &#8220;grey matter&#8221; to &#8220;discern the difference between pre/post Revolutionary Russia and the interim’s Soviet Union.&#8221;</p>
<p>Until the weight of the evidence sufficiently embarrassed you, George. Then you did an about face and all of a sudden I was Captain Obvious.</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>&#8216;this craven George Pal individual. Having established he is both a knave and a fool&#8217;</em><br />
along with your childish condescension&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>What do you mean, condescension? That is not <strike>ad hominem</strike>  condescension that is astonishment.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, George, looking back over it you certainly have all the bases covered.

Starting off you said Putin&#039;s Russia was acting aggressively to its neighbors because of the US insinuating its evil and nefarious national interests on Russia&#039;s doorstep. And finally you assert that they need no such provocation; ALL countries (a sophomoric generalization; get a faculty adviser for your high school paper) are naturally acquisitive of power and territory.

Is NATO a threat or a joke? Both, depending on what you need it to be at the moment.

You&#039;re the old lawyer joke.

1. My dog doesn&#039;t bite.
2. My dog couldn&#039;t have bitten you; he was locked in the house.
3. I don&#039;t have a dog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, George, looking back over it you certainly have all the bases covered.</p>
<p>Starting off you said Putin&#8217;s Russia was acting aggressively to its neighbors because of the US insinuating its evil and nefarious national interests on Russia&#8217;s doorstep. And finally you assert that they need no such provocation; ALL countries (a sophomoric generalization; get a faculty adviser for your high school paper) are naturally acquisitive of power and territory.</p>
<p>Is NATO a threat or a joke? Both, depending on what you need it to be at the moment.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re the old lawyer joke.</p>
<p>1. My dog doesn&#8217;t bite.<br />
2. My dog couldn&#8217;t have bitten you; he was locked in the house.<br />
3. I don&#8217;t have a dog.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2015 02:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Pal Says:
October 13th, 2015 at 5:19 pm... 

Riiiight, George.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Pal Says:<br />
October 13th, 2015 at 5:19 pm&#8230; </p>
<p>Riiiight, George.</p>
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		By: George Pal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929325</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Pal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Steve 57,

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Are you practicing logical non-sequiturs or suggesting they be taken seriously?”&lt;/i&gt;

That is not ad hominem that is astonishment. I had made the point of countries bordering on Russia and Russian concern with their NATO alliance, you responded &lt;i&gt;&quot;Oh, are those Warsaw Pact countries Russian property?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Your response to my point was unresolvable — so I asked.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Steve 57,</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Are you practicing logical non-sequiturs or suggesting they be taken seriously?”</i></p>
<p>That is not ad hominem that is astonishment. I had made the point of countries bordering on Russia and Russian concern with their NATO alliance, you responded <i>&#8220;Oh, are those Warsaw Pact countries Russian property?&#8221;</i> Your response to my point was unresolvable — so I asked.</p>
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		By: George Pal		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929324</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Pal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,

I had not called people crazy, I called you crazy.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;As for Pal, I hate Leftists and anyone who supports them. I don’t care who you think you are. I will never forget what anyone has done to support Leftists. I will never forgive them.
Anything more I can say about that beyond this, would be legally actionable.&lt;/i&gt;

I respond as I am addressed. Crazy was befitting Leftist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,</p>
<p>I had not called people crazy, I called you crazy.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;As for Pal, I hate Leftists and anyone who supports them. I don’t care who you think you are. I will never forget what anyone has done to support Leftists. I will never forgive them.<br />
Anything more I can say about that beyond this, would be legally actionable.</i></p>
<p>I respond as I am addressed. Crazy was befitting Leftist.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Pal said:
October 13th, 2015 at 3:08 pm 

Perhaps you should have taken that advice rather than engaging in ad hominem attacks right out of the gate.

October 10th, 2015 at 6:00 pm

&quot;Steve 57,

Are you practicing logical non-sequiturs or suggesting they be taken seriously?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Pal said:<br />
October 13th, 2015 at 3:08 pm </p>
<p>Perhaps you should have taken that advice rather than engaging in ad hominem attacks right out of the gate.</p>
<p>October 10th, 2015 at 6:00 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Steve 57,</p>
<p>Are you practicing logical non-sequiturs or suggesting they be taken seriously?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/10/10/editorials-and-foreign-policy-what-a-difference-four-years-makes-not-exactly/#comment-929290</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

This subject has been in various para military, police, and warrior sub cultures for quite some time now. I want to say around 2009 but cannot recall exactly when they got up to official status.

But generally, when Civil War II happens, there will be a way to change the ROE to recognize A and B types, so you don&#039;t get them mixed up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/</a></p>
<p>This subject has been in various para military, police, and warrior sub cultures for quite some time now. I want to say around 2009 but cannot recall exactly when they got up to official status.</p>
<p>But generally, when Civil War II happens, there will be a way to change the ROE to recognize A and B types, so you don&#8217;t get them mixed up.</p>
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