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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923506</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2015 02:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Damn, I thought I&#039;d get at least a disagreement or more likely a slap-down after quoting a prominent member of the Frankfurt School like Fromm. (It&#039;s a good quote though.)  What is interesting, however, is the influence his writings apparently have had on someone like Daniel Greenfield. The entire essay, &lt;i&gt;We&#039;re Turning Japanese Now&lt;/i&gt; has a theme right out of Fromm, especially his disparagement of capitalist society.  From Greenfield&#039;s piece:

&lt;i&gt;To understand where Japan and Europe are, imagine an America decaying with no new ideas, losing its religion and values, losing its economy and finally its sanity, becoming coldly conformist and &lt;b&gt;inhuman&lt;/b&gt;, while its families fall apart and its youth retreats into their own makeshift worlds. That reality is closer to home than we might like to think.&lt;/i&gt;

And from Fromm&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Sane Society&lt;/i&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;The danger of the future is that men may become robots.&lt;/i&gt; [inhuman}&lt;i&gt; True enough, robots do not rebel. But given man’s nature, robots cannot live and remain sane, they become “Golems,” they will destroy their world and themselves because they cannot stand any longer the boredom of a meaningless life.&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s a lot more in Greenfield&#039;s piece derived from Fromm. When someone like Sultan Knish spouts this stuff it lets you know just how insidious critical theory is and how widespread.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I thought I&#8217;d get at least a disagreement or more likely a slap-down after quoting a prominent member of the Frankfurt School like Fromm. (It&#8217;s a good quote though.)  What is interesting, however, is the influence his writings apparently have had on someone like Daniel Greenfield. The entire essay, <i>We&#8217;re Turning Japanese Now</i> has a theme right out of Fromm, especially his disparagement of capitalist society.  From Greenfield&#8217;s piece:</p>
<p><i>To understand where Japan and Europe are, imagine an America decaying with no new ideas, losing its religion and values, losing its economy and finally its sanity, becoming coldly conformist and <b>inhuman</b>, while its families fall apart and its youth retreats into their own makeshift worlds. That reality is closer to home than we might like to think.</i></p>
<p>And from Fromm&#8217;s <i>The Sane Society</i>:</p>
<p><i>The danger of the future is that men may become robots.</i> [inhuman}<i> True enough, robots do not rebel. But given man’s nature, robots cannot live and remain sane, they become “Golems,” they will destroy their world and themselves because they cannot stand any longer the boredom of a meaningless life.</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more in Greenfield&#8217;s piece derived from Fromm. When someone like Sultan Knish spouts this stuff it lets you know just how insidious critical theory is and how widespread.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923460</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;With Carson, the answer is Yes.
With Fiorina , I’m still evaluating what is being said and what the facts are.
After all, another high profile person told us it was only a few rogue IRS agents in the Cincinnati and we know how truthful he was&lt;/b&gt;

Being suspicious and paranoid is good, in this modern 21st century Western civilization.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>With Carson, the answer is Yes.<br />
With Fiorina , I’m still evaluating what is being said and what the facts are.<br />
After all, another high profile person told us it was only a few rogue IRS agents in the Cincinnati and we know how truthful he was</b></p>
<p>Being suspicious and paranoid is good, in this modern 21st century Western civilization.</p>
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		By: MikeII		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923411</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 21:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: &quot;But the mere fact of being a Muslim could not and should not, as a matter of law, exclude a person from running, and Fiorina is correct to say so.&quot;

Looking at the forest and not the trees and given Carson&#039;s soft spoken nature, don&#039;t you think he would follow the same track as you Neo? 
That while a Muslim is free to run for office, he would have to have a proven track record before he would consider voting for him rather than he would prevent him from running. And although one of the talk shows mentioned the name of a Muslim that preaches a reformation is needed in his faith, I can&#039;t locate it. For me it is a lot like the comparison between Thomas Sowell and the boy king. While both are African American, the one I would vote for in a NY minute, The other, even if Hell froze over, I would never cast my vote for.


Now perhaps he should go back and clarify what he meant since we all get tongue tied at times and mis-speak &quot; My Muslim Faith; I mean my Christian Faith&quot;

And though everyone is praising  Fiorina for her stand, I&#039;m more curious about how HP sidestepped the Iran Sanctions for millions  in HP sales to Iran.

&quot;Carly Fiorina said Sunday that neither she nor Hewlett-Packard should be faulted for the sales of millions of HP printers in Iran when such business was prohibited by U.S. law.&quot;  
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-20/carly-fiorina-responds-to-criticism-of-hewlett-packard-sales-in-iran

It is just another fact to consider in the decision making process. Can I trust what this person is telling me?

With Carson, the answer is Yes.
With Fiorina , I&#039;m still evaluating what is being said and what the facts are. 
After all, another high profile person told us it was only a few rogue IRS agents in the Cincinnati and we know how truthful he was :-(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: &#8220;But the mere fact of being a Muslim could not and should not, as a matter of law, exclude a person from running, and Fiorina is correct to say so.&#8221;</p>
<p>Looking at the forest and not the trees and given Carson&#8217;s soft spoken nature, don&#8217;t you think he would follow the same track as you Neo?<br />
That while a Muslim is free to run for office, he would have to have a proven track record before he would consider voting for him rather than he would prevent him from running. And although one of the talk shows mentioned the name of a Muslim that preaches a reformation is needed in his faith, I can&#8217;t locate it. For me it is a lot like the comparison between Thomas Sowell and the boy king. While both are African American, the one I would vote for in a NY minute, The other, even if Hell froze over, I would never cast my vote for.</p>
<p>Now perhaps he should go back and clarify what he meant since we all get tongue tied at times and mis-speak &#8221; My Muslim Faith; I mean my Christian Faith&#8221;</p>
<p>And though everyone is praising  Fiorina for her stand, I&#8217;m more curious about how HP sidestepped the Iran Sanctions for millions  in HP sales to Iran.</p>
<p>&#8220;Carly Fiorina said Sunday that neither she nor Hewlett-Packard should be faulted for the sales of millions of HP printers in Iran when such business was prohibited by U.S. law.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-20/carly-fiorina-responds-to-criticism-of-hewlett-packard-sales-in-iran" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-20/carly-fiorina-responds-to-criticism-of-hewlett-packard-sales-in-iran</a></p>
<p>It is just another fact to consider in the decision making process. Can I trust what this person is telling me?</p>
<p>With Carson, the answer is Yes.<br />
With Fiorina , I&#8217;m still evaluating what is being said and what the facts are.<br />
After all, another high profile person told us it was only a few rogue IRS agents in the Cincinnati and we know how truthful he was 🙁</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923338</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lurker:

I assume you&#039;re referring to what Fiorina said on the Fallon show about Carson&#039;s &quot;Muslim&quot; statement.  Did you watch the segment?  It&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEkUyUiNtlk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw it in real time, when it aired last night, and I have no problem with what she said.  It was neither stupid nor craven, although you&#039;re free to disagree with it.

She said Carson was wrong to dismiss someone simply on the basis of religion, because the Constitution explicitly forbids any religious tests for office.  That&#039;s my position as well.  

Now, that doesn&#039;t mean that many Muslims (and many other people) would not be suitable and that it would take a very very unusual Muslim candidate for me to support that person. A Muslim candidate would give me enormous pause, to say the least, but it is not in the realm of absolute impossibility that I could support such a person, although I can&#039;t quite imagine the circumstances (the person would certainly have to be a &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; &quot;moderate&quot; Muslim, and that would have to have been powerfully demonstrated both in word and deed, with no exceptions.  And that&#039;s just for starters.).  But the mere fact of being a Muslim could not and should not, as a matter of law, exclude a person from running, and Fiorina is correct to say so.

You&#039;re free, of course, to strongly disagree with her.  But understand the strong constitutional basis for her remarks.  She is not saying she would &lt;i&gt;support&lt;/i&gt; that person, by the way.  She&#039;s saying she would not reject him/her &lt;i&gt;merely&lt;/i&gt; on the basis of religion.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurker:</p>
<p>I assume you&#8217;re referring to what Fiorina said on the Fallon show about Carson&#8217;s &#8220;Muslim&#8221; statement.  Did you watch the segment?  It&#8217;s <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEkUyUiNtlk" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>I saw it in real time, when it aired last night, and I have no problem with what she said.  It was neither stupid nor craven, although you&#8217;re free to disagree with it.</p>
<p>She said Carson was wrong to dismiss someone simply on the basis of religion, because the Constitution explicitly forbids any religious tests for office.  That&#8217;s my position as well.  </p>
<p>Now, that doesn&#8217;t mean that many Muslims (and many other people) would not be suitable and that it would take a very very unusual Muslim candidate for me to support that person. A Muslim candidate would give me enormous pause, to say the least, but it is not in the realm of absolute impossibility that I could support such a person, although I can&#8217;t quite imagine the circumstances (the person would certainly have to be a <i>very</i> &#8220;moderate&#8221; Muslim, and that would have to have been powerfully demonstrated both in word and deed, with no exceptions.  And that&#8217;s just for starters.).  But the mere fact of being a Muslim could not and should not, as a matter of law, exclude a person from running, and Fiorina is correct to say so.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re free, of course, to strongly disagree with her.  But understand the strong constitutional basis for her remarks.  She is not saying she would <i>support</i> that person, by the way.  She&#8217;s saying she would not reject him/her <i>merely</i> on the basis of religion.</p>
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		By: Lurker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923336</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 17:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Besides Trump, Carson is the only one with a clue and the only one smart enough to follow said clue to the logical conclusion. 

Florina just showed that she is stupid or craven.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides Trump, Carson is the only one with a clue and the only one smart enough to follow said clue to the logical conclusion. </p>
<p>Florina just showed that she is stupid or craven.</p>
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		By: K-E		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923321</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am wondering if he isn&#039;t thinking about the VP slot. He got out early enough to stay away from further failure. He&#039;s young enough that 8 years as VP would make it easy to roll right into President in 2024. 

I like him, but he really screwed up on the immigration topic. He changed his answers numerous times, which gave me the impression someone was pulling his strings. This doesn&#039;t go over well with today&#039;s voters. 

Hoping his leaving encourages some others to do the same.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am wondering if he isn&#8217;t thinking about the VP slot. He got out early enough to stay away from further failure. He&#8217;s young enough that 8 years as VP would make it easy to roll right into President in 2024. </p>
<p>I like him, but he really screwed up on the immigration topic. He changed his answers numerous times, which gave me the impression someone was pulling his strings. This doesn&#8217;t go over well with today&#8217;s voters. </p>
<p>Hoping his leaving encourages some others to do the same.</p>
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		By: Oldflyer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I fear that this campaign will only add to the reluctance of successful and effective politicians who lack a blustering ego and style to enter the fray.

Clearly, character, competence and experience have not been valued by the American electorate since at least 2008.  Novelty is in vogue.

Neither Calvin Coolidge nor Harry Truman would likely poll better than 1% today; and would not be invited to the big debate.

Then too, the media will attack anyone who is &quot;bland&quot;, but has the nerve to compete, with a thousand little cuts.  After all such people do not generate stories that advance ratings per se; so their only media value is as &quot;whipping boys&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that this campaign will only add to the reluctance of successful and effective politicians who lack a blustering ego and style to enter the fray.</p>
<p>Clearly, character, competence and experience have not been valued by the American electorate since at least 2008.  Novelty is in vogue.</p>
<p>Neither Calvin Coolidge nor Harry Truman would likely poll better than 1% today; and would not be invited to the big debate.</p>
<p>Then too, the media will attack anyone who is &#8220;bland&#8221;, but has the nerve to compete, with a thousand little cuts.  After all such people do not generate stories that advance ratings per se; so their only media value is as &#8220;whipping boys&#8221;.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Other Chuck&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
September 22nd, 2015 at 11:25 am

Very good quote!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Other Chuck</i> Says:<br />
September 22nd, 2015 at 11:25 am</p>
<p>Very good quote!</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923298</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&quot;Trump made Walker seem pallid and bland.&quot; [Neo]

&quot;Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the campaigns of good candidates.&quot; [Tonawanda]&lt;/b&gt;

IMO this is the (inadvertent) purpose of the Trump campaign.  Perry and Walker are out (both of whom had enviable track records).  The next will perhaps be Graham, Santorum, Pataki and Jindal.

Fiorina, Carson and Cruz continue to improve.  This test of their mettle in the primary system will, I hope, temper them for the real campaign against Clinton or Biden.  Trump is forcing the issue and causing opponents to make their mistakes now.  What doesn&#039;t &quot;kill&quot; them in the primary makes them stronger in the general election.

Now, the only question is:  Can any one of them eventually turn the tables on Trump himself to jump from second, third or fourth place to first place in the polls?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&#8220;Trump made Walker seem pallid and bland.&#8221; [Neo]</p>
<p>&#8220;Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the campaigns of good candidates.&#8221; [Tonawanda]</b></p>
<p>IMO this is the (inadvertent) purpose of the Trump campaign.  Perry and Walker are out (both of whom had enviable track records).  The next will perhaps be Graham, Santorum, Pataki and Jindal.</p>
<p>Fiorina, Carson and Cruz continue to improve.  This test of their mettle in the primary system will, I hope, temper them for the real campaign against Clinton or Biden.  Trump is forcing the issue and causing opponents to make their mistakes now.  What doesn&#8217;t &#8220;kill&#8221; them in the primary makes them stronger in the general election.</p>
<p>Now, the only question is:  Can any one of them eventually turn the tables on Trump himself to jump from second, third or fourth place to first place in the polls?</p>
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		By: The Other Chuck		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/21/scott-walker-to-drop-out/#comment-923291</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2015 15:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gyloq links Daniel Greenfield&#039;s &lt;i&gt;We&#039;re Turning Japanese Now&lt;/i&gt;. I don&#039;t see the connection to Trump in this article, but do see Eric Fromm&#039;s influence on Greenfield. 

Here&#039;s a quote from &lt;i&gt;Escape From Freedom&lt;/i&gt;, Eric Fromm&#039;s best work,  that pretty well catches the essence of Donald Trump, and God help us:

&lt;i&gt;“If the meaning of life has become doubtful, if one&#039;s relations to others and to oneself do not offer security, then fame is one means to silence one&#039;s doubts. It has a function to be compared with that of the Egyptian pyramids or the Christian faith in immortality: it elevates one&#039;s individual life from its limitations and instability to the plane of indestructability; if one&#039;s name is known to one&#039;s contemporaries and if one can hope that it will last for centuries, then one&#039;s life has meaning and significance by this very reflection of it in the judgments of others.”&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gyloq links Daniel Greenfield&#8217;s <i>We&#8217;re Turning Japanese Now</i>. I don&#8217;t see the connection to Trump in this article, but do see Eric Fromm&#8217;s influence on Greenfield. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a quote from <i>Escape From Freedom</i>, Eric Fromm&#8217;s best work,  that pretty well catches the essence of Donald Trump, and God help us:</p>
<p><i>“If the meaning of life has become doubtful, if one&#8217;s relations to others and to oneself do not offer security, then fame is one means to silence one&#8217;s doubts. It has a function to be compared with that of the Egyptian pyramids or the Christian faith in immortality: it elevates one&#8217;s individual life from its limitations and instability to the plane of indestructability; if one&#8217;s name is known to one&#8217;s contemporaries and if one can hope that it will last for centuries, then one&#8217;s life has meaning and significance by this very reflection of it in the judgments of others.”</i></p>
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