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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/11/911-fourteen-years/#comment-921281</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[The Pentagon staff, military they may be, are also soft targets, as with Ft Hood 1 and 2 and various other bases in this country, including recruitment centers. The reason is simple, the upper staff of the military are not warriors, their job is to give orders in an organization.

Thus the weakness of the US military and the West isn&#039;t the grunts at the bottom killing enemies and defending democracy. The weakness is at the top, decapitate their leadership, which is what AQ may have wished for.

That was actually somewhat crude. The new and improved way to fight drone strikes and circumvent US military might, is for Islamic jihadists to go into the US, with the help of Syrian refugee asylum bullsh con artists like Hussein, and then target the families of US drone pilots and other fighters.

That is the very epitome, Ft Hood 1 wise, of targeting the soft spots in your enemy. And it is a strategy very close to the one I hypothesized about in 2007 and a few months before Ft Hood 1 happened. Asymmetrical warfare is about hitting your enemy&#039;s weaknesses, not their strengths. And a general that&#039;s dead, cannot command their armies effectively.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pentagon staff, military they may be, are also soft targets, as with Ft Hood 1 and 2 and various other bases in this country, including recruitment centers. The reason is simple, the upper staff of the military are not warriors, their job is to give orders in an organization.</p>
<p>Thus the weakness of the US military and the West isn&#8217;t the grunts at the bottom killing enemies and defending democracy. The weakness is at the top, decapitate their leadership, which is what AQ may have wished for.</p>
<p>That was actually somewhat crude. The new and improved way to fight drone strikes and circumvent US military might, is for Islamic jihadists to go into the US, with the help of Syrian refugee asylum bullsh con artists like Hussein, and then target the families of US drone pilots and other fighters.</p>
<p>That is the very epitome, Ft Hood 1 wise, of targeting the soft spots in your enemy. And it is a strategy very close to the one I hypothesized about in 2007 and a few months before Ft Hood 1 happened. Asymmetrical warfare is about hitting your enemy&#8217;s weaknesses, not their strengths. And a general that&#8217;s dead, cannot command their armies effectively.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many excellent comments on this post - thank you all for your stories and thoughts, and neo for the post.
I don not remember where I saw it, and there may have been several places now, but one common remark is &quot;I never thought on 9/11/01 that, only fourteen years later, I would see our President buy nuclear weapons for Iran.&quot;
Which is effectively what Obama is trying to do.

On the other hand, one cartoon that encourages me is of a couple of range hands wondering if there is any way to stop the Islamic terrorists, and one of them drawls, &quot;Well, we ain&#039;t played Cowboys and Muslims yet.&quot;

(with suitable apologies to any PCists on board who feel microaggressed by references to certain Historical Incidents.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many excellent comments on this post &#8211; thank you all for your stories and thoughts, and neo for the post.<br />
I don not remember where I saw it, and there may have been several places now, but one common remark is &#8220;I never thought on 9/11/01 that, only fourteen years later, I would see our President buy nuclear weapons for Iran.&#8221;<br />
Which is effectively what Obama is trying to do.</p>
<p>On the other hand, one cartoon that encourages me is of a couple of range hands wondering if there is any way to stop the Islamic terrorists, and one of them drawls, &#8220;Well, we ain&#8217;t played Cowboys and Muslims yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>(with suitable apologies to any PCists on board who feel microaggressed by references to certain Historical Incidents.)</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/11/911-fourteen-years/#comment-920953</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 19:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A terrorist attack isn&#039;t foiled by military centralized forces, that&#039;s what, because a terrorist attack is asymmetrical. They strike at your weaknesses, not your strengths.

That means if the civilians are the ones being attacked, the civilians have to stand up and defeat the terrorists. Nobody else will be in a position to, short of using military jets to blow away the planes.

The fact that those planes were in the air with the right orders, just means Bush II had a very high decision cycle speed. It doesn&#039;t mean much for the civilization those jets are part of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A terrorist attack isn&#8217;t foiled by military centralized forces, that&#8217;s what, because a terrorist attack is asymmetrical. They strike at your weaknesses, not your strengths.</p>
<p>That means if the civilians are the ones being attacked, the civilians have to stand up and defeat the terrorists. Nobody else will be in a position to, short of using military jets to blow away the planes.</p>
<p>The fact that those planes were in the air with the right orders, just means Bush II had a very high decision cycle speed. It doesn&#8217;t mean much for the civilization those jets are part of.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/11/911-fourteen-years/#comment-920929</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 17:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve57:

I agree that the Pentagon attack should not be forgotten, and that it often is.  

But in writing &quot;it was not a BATTLE where soldiers died,&quot; my point was not the soldiers didn&#039;t die, but that it was not a &lt;i&gt;battle&lt;/i&gt; where soldiers died.

It was a sneak, terrorist attack.  No one on our side had a fighting chance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57:</p>
<p>I agree that the Pentagon attack should not be forgotten, and that it often is.  </p>
<p>But in writing &#8220;it was not a BATTLE where soldiers died,&#8221; my point was not the soldiers didn&#8217;t die, but that it was not a <i>battle</i> where soldiers died.</p>
<p>It was a sneak, terrorist attack.  No one on our side had a fighting chance.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 11:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“A house divided against itself cannot stand. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”&lt;/i&gt;

Let us all unite behind Obamunism to march into the glorious future of Socialism.

Then again maybe division is the only real choice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“A house divided against itself cannot stand. America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”</i></p>
<p>Let us all unite behind Obamunism to march into the glorious future of Socialism.</p>
<p>Then again maybe division is the only real choice.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 08:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...9/11 was not like Gettysburg. It was not a battle where soldiers died; it was a sneak attack on civilians going about their daily lives, although many who died were in the line of duty as police or firefighters. On the 9/11 anniversary we honor and mourn them all, every single one. But I want to paraphrase the closing of the Gettysburg Address and add...&quot;

Technically not quite true. The attack on the Pentagon seems largely forgotten. But members of the armed forces did die that day.

The 9/11 attackers chose their targets with care. They attacked targets that symbolized American&#039;s military and economic might.

Not to nitpick. I just don&#039;t think the attack on the Pentagon should be forgotten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;9/11 was not like Gettysburg. It was not a battle where soldiers died; it was a sneak attack on civilians going about their daily lives, although many who died were in the line of duty as police or firefighters. On the 9/11 anniversary we honor and mourn them all, every single one. But I want to paraphrase the closing of the Gettysburg Address and add&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Technically not quite true. The attack on the Pentagon seems largely forgotten. But members of the armed forces did die that day.</p>
<p>The 9/11 attackers chose their targets with care. They attacked targets that symbolized American&#8217;s military and economic might.</p>
<p>Not to nitpick. I just don&#8217;t think the attack on the Pentagon should be forgotten.</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/11/911-fourteen-years/#comment-920839</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[An example of Gellner&#039;s acute insight, relevant to us here, is seen on page 52 (of &quot;Postmodernism, Reason and Religion&quot;). 

He articulates American exceptionalism is a unique way, here. He uses it to explain a place where Clifford Geertz claim of a &quot;Big Ditch&quot; or an important epistemological divide, might exist.

Or, in other words, most PoMo blather about communities that cannot communicate with outsiders are contrivances. But, in the case of American naivete about &quot;how things are done,&quot; and thus American interventions - for instance - fail.
And therefore, there are such instances. But not at all of the kind the PoMo&#039;s believe.

These are cultural and experiential hurdles - larger ones for nations - but not insurmountable ones.

Gellner&#039;s example: certain traits make

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Americans, to this day,
inclined to absolutize their own culture, and to equate it with the human condition as such, and hence unconsciously to treat other cultures as perversions of the rightful human condition. Individualism, egalitarianism, freedom, sustained innovation–these traits are, in the comparative context of world history, unusual, not to say eccentric; but to Americans they are part of the air they breathe, and most of them have never experienced any other moral atmosphere. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And contrariwise, how can a God-fearing Abrahamic religion like Islam be a threat to us? How can we treat them any different than Christians and non-Christians?

Thus, maybe there is another  &quot;Big Ditch&quot; here, today. And with the deep Denialism of the entrenched establishment Left, we see another one swerve us into certain harms way with the &quot;Iran Deal.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An example of Gellner&#8217;s acute insight, relevant to us here, is seen on page 52 (of &#8220;Postmodernism, Reason and Religion&#8221;). </p>
<p>He articulates American exceptionalism is a unique way, here. He uses it to explain a place where Clifford Geertz claim of a &#8220;Big Ditch&#8221; or an important epistemological divide, might exist.</p>
<p>Or, in other words, most PoMo blather about communities that cannot communicate with outsiders are contrivances. But, in the case of American naivete about &#8220;how things are done,&#8221; and thus American interventions &#8211; for instance &#8211; fail.<br />
And therefore, there are such instances. But not at all of the kind the PoMo&#8217;s believe.</p>
<p>These are cultural and experiential hurdles &#8211; larger ones for nations &#8211; but not insurmountable ones.</p>
<p>Gellner&#8217;s example: certain traits make</p>
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Americans, to this day,<br />
inclined to absolutize their own culture, and to equate it with the human condition as such, and hence unconsciously to treat other cultures as perversions of the rightful human condition. Individualism, egalitarianism, freedom, sustained innovation–these traits are, in the comparative context of world history, unusual, not to say eccentric; but to Americans they are part of the air they breathe, and most of them have never experienced any other moral atmosphere. </p></blockquote>
<p>And contrariwise, how can a God-fearing Abrahamic religion like Islam be a threat to us? How can we treat them any different than Christians and non-Christians?</p>
<p>Thus, maybe there is another  &#8220;Big Ditch&#8221; here, today. And with the deep Denialism of the entrenched establishment Left, we see another one swerve us into certain harms way with the &#8220;Iran Deal.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 05:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[George Pal Says: &quot;By my reckoning, the people of this country had not resolved themselves to anything of significance since VJ Day.&quot;

O, come now.

The Cold War was waged for some 45 years - successfully - and with bipartisan support.

The failure of 9/11 entirely rests on the failure to identify the enemy, is nature, extent, and identity.

As Americans, we are too optimistic about anything like religion. And Islam qualifies. But to do what? And wage...what?

Is it any coincidence that the resistance to the ongoing invasion of Europe by Muslims stems from realms occupied by the Muslim Ottoman Empire for some 250 years? Central Europe? I hardly think it could be otherwise.

We Americans have no such history - we blanch in denial, and since the 1990s, the Left does so aided (and incapacitated) by post-modernist moral and epistemological relatavism.

Neo, since you mention your college minor in anthropology, do have a look at the brief but lucid at the late great philosophical anthropologist (at Cambridge), Ernest Gellner&#039;s &quot;Post-modernism, Reason, and Religion&quot; (1992)
POSTED ONLINE HERE
http://okhovvat.com/files/en/content/2011/6/4/351_379.pdf

His PhD thesis at London in the late &#039;50s was on Islam and its inability to modernize. He then joined LSE teaching scientific method, but always interested in social anthropology, and influenced by Karl Popper. (The Wiki entry on Gellner is reasonably instructive.)

Clarity - that&#039;s what Gelner offers. His later years, in the &#039;90s, including a trio of posthumous works, found him celebrated as the savant of post-communist civil society: the necessity of private social connections, and the Burkean &quot;little platoons&quot; - if liberty is to flourish.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Pal Says: &#8220;By my reckoning, the people of this country had not resolved themselves to anything of significance since VJ Day.&#8221;</p>
<p>O, come now.</p>
<p>The Cold War was waged for some 45 years &#8211; successfully &#8211; and with bipartisan support.</p>
<p>The failure of 9/11 entirely rests on the failure to identify the enemy, is nature, extent, and identity.</p>
<p>As Americans, we are too optimistic about anything like religion. And Islam qualifies. But to do what? And wage&#8230;what?</p>
<p>Is it any coincidence that the resistance to the ongoing invasion of Europe by Muslims stems from realms occupied by the Muslim Ottoman Empire for some 250 years? Central Europe? I hardly think it could be otherwise.</p>
<p>We Americans have no such history &#8211; we blanch in denial, and since the 1990s, the Left does so aided (and incapacitated) by post-modernist moral and epistemological relatavism.</p>
<p>Neo, since you mention your college minor in anthropology, do have a look at the brief but lucid at the late great philosophical anthropologist (at Cambridge), Ernest Gellner&#8217;s &#8220;Post-modernism, Reason, and Religion&#8221; (1992)<br />
POSTED ONLINE HERE<br />
<a href="http://okhovvat.com/files/en/content/2011/6/4/351_379.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://okhovvat.com/files/en/content/2011/6/4/351_379.pdf</a></p>
<p>His PhD thesis at London in the late &#8217;50s was on Islam and its inability to modernize. He then joined LSE teaching scientific method, but always interested in social anthropology, and influenced by Karl Popper. (The Wiki entry on Gellner is reasonably instructive.)</p>
<p>Clarity &#8211; that&#8217;s what Gelner offers. His later years, in the &#8217;90s, including a trio of posthumous works, found him celebrated as the savant of post-communist civil society: the necessity of private social connections, and the Burkean &#8220;little platoons&#8221; &#8211; if liberty is to flourish.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/09/11/911-fourteen-years/#comment-920797</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The average young person today is softer, less knowledgeable, less patriotic, more selfish, and more self indulgent. They don’t have enough knowledge to judge whether they are threatened by radical Islam. Most of them are more concerned with how many Face Book “likes” they have or being cool and snarky on Twitter.&lt;/b&gt;

With FDRoosevelt, came the economic enslavement of American patriots.

You cannot be a free man or woman, when you are a serf or vassal to an aristocratic lord that pays for your job, your family, your healthcare, your education, and whatever trickle you get from your other sugar daddies.

It&#039;s not possible. People who are not independent, in economic terms as well as abstract ones, are not free. They are merely slaves that think they are free in the system of Slavery 3.0

It&#039;s a better more efficient and profitable form, just look at Planned Profit&#039;s application of slavery. But it is still Slavery. The Union did not wipe out slavery as the victors propagandized. Nor did the South rebel due to wanting state rights to become more powerful than the feds. The Democrats won Reconstruction and reconstructed history to their liking. They did it again in Vietnam. They did it again in Iraq. They did it even as the Union was fighting to take Richmond after 1861.

It is not merely the Left that corrupted this country. This country has been fighting an internal disease and virus since 1820 at least, if not before. This fate was inevitable for the United States. There was no way around it. It was going to happen with or without Islam. With or without weak Republicans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The average young person today is softer, less knowledgeable, less patriotic, more selfish, and more self indulgent. They don’t have enough knowledge to judge whether they are threatened by radical Islam. Most of them are more concerned with how many Face Book “likes” they have or being cool and snarky on Twitter.</b></p>
<p>With FDRoosevelt, came the economic enslavement of American patriots.</p>
<p>You cannot be a free man or woman, when you are a serf or vassal to an aristocratic lord that pays for your job, your family, your healthcare, your education, and whatever trickle you get from your other sugar daddies.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not possible. People who are not independent, in economic terms as well as abstract ones, are not free. They are merely slaves that think they are free in the system of Slavery 3.0</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a better more efficient and profitable form, just look at Planned Profit&#8217;s application of slavery. But it is still Slavery. The Union did not wipe out slavery as the victors propagandized. Nor did the South rebel due to wanting state rights to become more powerful than the feds. The Democrats won Reconstruction and reconstructed history to their liking. They did it again in Vietnam. They did it again in Iraq. They did it even as the Union was fighting to take Richmond after 1861.</p>
<p>It is not merely the Left that corrupted this country. This country has been fighting an internal disease and virus since 1820 at least, if not before. This fate was inevitable for the United States. There was no way around it. It was going to happen with or without Islam. With or without weak Republicans.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;14 years ago I was confident that we would get our act together and do what was necessary to defeat the radical Islamists. &lt;/b&gt;

It is past your era, JJ. It is not the duty of your generation to complete the killing required to fix this Titanic journey of retards and blind scouts, panicked captains. That is for the generation closer to my own to do.

The duty of the ancestors is to pass on the torch of inheritance to the next generation, as the Viking ancestors successfully did for the Scandinavian people. If the generation that receives the torch, decides to sell it  and trade it for some weed and a slave shackle, that&#039;s the choice of those inheritors. 

However, what wasn&#039;t their choice is to sell the freedom and inheritance of all future generations to some Islamic or Leftist slave lord. That wasn&#039;t the power they inherited. That was&#039;t part of the package or deal.

There will be a reckoning, one way or another. That is why CW II was inevitable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>14 years ago I was confident that we would get our act together and do what was necessary to defeat the radical Islamists. </b></p>
<p>It is past your era, JJ. It is not the duty of your generation to complete the killing required to fix this Titanic journey of retards and blind scouts, panicked captains. That is for the generation closer to my own to do.</p>
<p>The duty of the ancestors is to pass on the torch of inheritance to the next generation, as the Viking ancestors successfully did for the Scandinavian people. If the generation that receives the torch, decides to sell it  and trade it for some weed and a slave shackle, that&#8217;s the choice of those inheritors. </p>
<p>However, what wasn&#8217;t their choice is to sell the freedom and inheritance of all future generations to some Islamic or Leftist slave lord. That wasn&#8217;t the power they inherited. That was&#8217;t part of the package or deal.</p>
<p>There will be a reckoning, one way or another. That is why CW II was inevitable.</p>
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