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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/26/the-touching-and-strange-tale-of-lucy-the-chimp/#comment-916787</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Animals that have been -- for any reason -- accustomed to the presence of man -- ESPECIALLY the friendly presence of man -- are virtually certain to be poached should they be returned to the wild -- especially wild Africa.

Generally, it&#039;s a false compassion.

Elsa, (Born Free -- ironic, no?) -- being a lioness, was a pariah when re-introduced to Africa.

A single fertile lioness is a freak show. 

No male lion can function without a harem. In the event that Elsa became &#039;full&#039; -- where would the next meal come from?

One has to accept that messing around with such wildlife is only a prelude to its death.

All of the dynamics of Elsa, the lioness, would&#039;ve been amplified for Lucy. Chimps, like lions and elephants, are centered around female cliques -- a sisterhood. The males can come and go. Never the females.

Hence, the only sex that has the slightest chance of re-introduction is the male.

Which see: Christian the lion. It COULD drop in from outer space and make it as top lion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Animals that have been &#8212; for any reason &#8212; accustomed to the presence of man &#8212; ESPECIALLY the friendly presence of man &#8212; are virtually certain to be poached should they be returned to the wild &#8212; especially wild Africa.</p>
<p>Generally, it&#8217;s a false compassion.</p>
<p>Elsa, (Born Free &#8212; ironic, no?) &#8212; being a lioness, was a pariah when re-introduced to Africa.</p>
<p>A single fertile lioness is a freak show. </p>
<p>No male lion can function without a harem. In the event that Elsa became &#8216;full&#8217; &#8212; where would the next meal come from?</p>
<p>One has to accept that messing around with such wildlife is only a prelude to its death.</p>
<p>All of the dynamics of Elsa, the lioness, would&#8217;ve been amplified for Lucy. Chimps, like lions and elephants, are centered around female cliques &#8212; a sisterhood. The males can come and go. Never the females.</p>
<p>Hence, the only sex that has the slightest chance of re-introduction is the male.</p>
<p>Which see: Christian the lion. It COULD drop in from outer space and make it as top lion.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;That made me wonder if the “Dr.” isn’t off his rocker!?&lt;/i&gt;
Wonder?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That made me wonder if the “Dr.” isn’t off his rocker!?</i><br />
Wonder?</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nolanimrod; I agree, it would have been kinder to send her into a dreamy death.

While I shudder at animal experiments, I do see the necessity of them for medical research - far better to test drugs on animals than use those drugs for the first time on a human.

This &quot;experiment&quot; by these folks on Lucy I just don&#039;t understand.  Granted I didn&#039;t listen to the whole recording; I got as far as the &quot;perfect experimental moment&quot; when the Dr. bought a Playgirl magazine for the chimp.  

That made me wonder if the &quot;Dr.&quot; isn&#039;t off his rocker!?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nolanimrod; I agree, it would have been kinder to send her into a dreamy death.</p>
<p>While I shudder at animal experiments, I do see the necessity of them for medical research &#8211; far better to test drugs on animals than use those drugs for the first time on a human.</p>
<p>This &#8220;experiment&#8221; by these folks on Lucy I just don&#8217;t understand.  Granted I didn&#8217;t listen to the whole recording; I got as far as the &#8220;perfect experimental moment&#8221; when the Dr. bought a Playgirl magazine for the chimp.  </p>
<p>That made me wonder if the &#8220;Dr.&#8221; isn&#8217;t off his rocker!?</p>
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		By: Nolanimrod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It would have been kind to send her into a dreamy death.

Certainly kinder than

Surprise! You&#039;re never getting cuddled any more. No more bedtime stories, no more TV. And, oh! Did we mention that you&#039;re a hairy beast that is never again going to have anything to do with anyone who looks like you think you do? Instead of cocktail hour you&#039;re going to have to make do with roots and berries. And instead of looking at magazines you can pick fleas off other chimps and eat them.

When it&#039;s time for sex, instead of somebody who looks like Dad, you&#039;re going to get mauled by one of those hairy beasts that scared you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been kind to send her into a dreamy death.</p>
<p>Certainly kinder than</p>
<p>Surprise! You&#8217;re never getting cuddled any more. No more bedtime stories, no more TV. And, oh! Did we mention that you&#8217;re a hairy beast that is never again going to have anything to do with anyone who looks like you think you do? Instead of cocktail hour you&#8217;re going to have to make do with roots and berries. And instead of looking at magazines you can pick fleas off other chimps and eat them.</p>
<p>When it&#8217;s time for sex, instead of somebody who looks like Dad, you&#8217;re going to get mauled by one of those hairy beasts that scared you.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 23:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves,&quot; by Karen Jay Fowler, is a novel about a family that -- well, I can&#039;t explain what the family does without giving up a spoiler, so I won&#039;t go any farther with the specifics except to say that the plot fits this thread -- which is probably enough to spoil a good chunk of it right there!  Not the best book I&#039;ve ever read, with some animal-rights politics I could have done without, but nevertheless a fascinating exploration of what makes us human and what makes us ourselves.  

I tried to use Neo&#039;s Amazon link to make this link.  I hope it worked.  http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_sb_27?tag=neo0b-20&#038;link_code=wsw&#038;_encoding=UTF-8&#038;search-alias=aps&#038;field-keywords=We+are+All+Completely+beside+ourselves&#038;Submit.x=0&#038;Submit.y=0&#038;Submit=Go]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves,&#8221; by Karen Jay Fowler, is a novel about a family that &#8212; well, I can&#8217;t explain what the family does without giving up a spoiler, so I won&#8217;t go any farther with the specifics except to say that the plot fits this thread &#8212; which is probably enough to spoil a good chunk of it right there!  Not the best book I&#8217;ve ever read, with some animal-rights politics I could have done without, but nevertheless a fascinating exploration of what makes us human and what makes us ourselves.  </p>
<p>I tried to use Neo&#8217;s Amazon link to make this link.  I hope it worked.  <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_sb_27?tag=neo0b-20&#038;link_code=wsw&#038;_encoding=UTF-8&#038;search-alias=aps&#038;field-keywords=We+are+All+Completely+beside+ourselves&#038;Submit.x=0&#038;Submit.y=0&#038;Submit=Go" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=as_sl_pc_tf_sb_27?tag=neo0b-20&#038;link_code=wsw&#038;_encoding=UTF-8&#038;search-alias=aps&#038;field-keywords=We+are+All+Completely+beside+ourselves&#038;Submit.x=0&#038;Submit.y=0&#038;Submit=Go</a></p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 22:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The strange tale of &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oliver The Chimp .&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Humanzee That Wasn&#039;t.&lt;/a&gt;

Not nice:
 In 1986 Oliver was sold to a lab. Amazingly, Oliver was spared from typically torturous and fatal laboratory experimentation due to his unique characteristics. He was simply not considered a viable specimen because there were too many variables in his genetics when compared to other chimps in the lab. Any experimentation performed on him would have been tainted in the eyes of researchers. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehumanmarvels.com/oliver-the-humanzee/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt; Instead, Oliver spent seven years in a tiny five by seven cage.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
Don&#039;t let them catch you, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quotes.net/mquote/8415&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;they will dissect you! And they will kill you! In that order! &lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The strange tale of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38" title="" rel="nofollow">Oliver The Chimp .</a></p>
<p><a href="" title="" rel="nofollow">The Humanzee That Wasn&#8217;t.</a></p>
<p>Not nice:<br />
 In 1986 Oliver was sold to a lab. Amazingly, Oliver was spared from typically torturous and fatal laboratory experimentation due to his unique characteristics. He was simply not considered a viable specimen because there were too many variables in his genetics when compared to other chimps in the lab. Any experimentation performed on him would have been tainted in the eyes of researchers. <a href="http://www.thehumanmarvels.com/oliver-the-humanzee/" title="" rel="nofollow"><b> Instead, Oliver spent seven years in a tiny five by seven cage.</b></a><br />
Don&#8217;t let them catch you, <a href="http://www.quotes.net/mquote/8415" title="" rel="nofollow">they will dissect you! And they will kill you! In that order! </a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t referring to the UN, but that&#039;s not important.

The loyalty that subordinates and lower order life forms provide to a human must be returned with an equal duty in the form of protection and stability. This bond may be transferred to others if absolutely necessary, but should it be abandoned, what results is decadence and decay. A kind of sin or guilt.

For most humans, of course, they are not independent lords of their own domain. They Obey the Orders of their Authorities, no matter the cost. Which includes the cost to their own subordinates and loyalists.

Only free men and women can choose one way or another. And of course, some animals may choose to go away of their own reasons, but if they wish to remain in the safety of their current relationship, their master and lord should try to accommodate that, as it is better for all involved.

And if it is not possible, then dealing death to one&#039;s loyal subordinate by one&#039;s own hand, is also an option, when the alternative is allowing the fate of one&#039;s subordinates to be decided by foreign powers.

No, I&#039;m not a product of Western decadence nor modern 21st century Western civilization, if you haven&#039;t noticed it already.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t referring to the UN, but that&#8217;s not important.</p>
<p>The loyalty that subordinates and lower order life forms provide to a human must be returned with an equal duty in the form of protection and stability. This bond may be transferred to others if absolutely necessary, but should it be abandoned, what results is decadence and decay. A kind of sin or guilt.</p>
<p>For most humans, of course, they are not independent lords of their own domain. They Obey the Orders of their Authorities, no matter the cost. Which includes the cost to their own subordinates and loyalists.</p>
<p>Only free men and women can choose one way or another. And of course, some animals may choose to go away of their own reasons, but if they wish to remain in the safety of their current relationship, their master and lord should try to accommodate that, as it is better for all involved.</p>
<p>And if it is not possible, then dealing death to one&#8217;s loyal subordinate by one&#8217;s own hand, is also an option, when the alternative is allowing the fate of one&#8217;s subordinates to be decided by foreign powers.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not a product of Western decadence nor modern 21st century Western civilization, if you haven&#8217;t noticed it already.</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have to agree with Ymarsakar&#039;s sentiment.  Tell the UN to relax its Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with Ymarsakar&#8217;s sentiment.  Tell the UN to relax its Convention on the International Trade in Endangered Species.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you save a life, don&#039;t do it by half measures and abandon it later when convenient.

Humans are noble and horribly weak, due to the inconsistency of their ideals and their actual behavior.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you save a life, don&#8217;t do it by half measures and abandon it later when convenient.</p>
<p>Humans are noble and horribly weak, due to the inconsistency of their ideals and their actual behavior.</p>
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		By: snopercod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 19:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;F:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for the charming (and sad) story.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>F:</b> Thanks for the charming (and sad) story.</p>
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