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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916777</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 16:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Getting into the US legally is a breeze compared to virtually every other nation on this planet.

The magic keys remain blood relatives.

Because of the 1986 Immigration Act staggering numbers of Mexican Americans are entirely justified -- under the law and by custom -- with sponsoring the rest of their extended family.

And then there are the anchor babies. Upon maturity, they can come across the border -- without any aculturalization at all -- and use their birth documents to establish citizenship.

This latter gambit is now a specialty of various Chinese travel agents. They have retained birthing &#039;motels&#039; -- ie perverted up scale homes -- into habitation for swollen mothers, ready to pop.

One outfit was finally busted by ICE. They&#039;d already established at least 500 Chinese American babies -- who would grow up without ever having known California -- the state of their birth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting into the US legally is a breeze compared to virtually every other nation on this planet.</p>
<p>The magic keys remain blood relatives.</p>
<p>Because of the 1986 Immigration Act staggering numbers of Mexican Americans are entirely justified &#8212; under the law and by custom &#8212; with sponsoring the rest of their extended family.</p>
<p>And then there are the anchor babies. Upon maturity, they can come across the border &#8212; without any aculturalization at all &#8212; and use their birth documents to establish citizenship.</p>
<p>This latter gambit is now a specialty of various Chinese travel agents. They have retained birthing &#8216;motels&#8217; &#8212; ie perverted up scale homes &#8212; into habitation for swollen mothers, ready to pop.</p>
<p>One outfit was finally busted by ICE. They&#8217;d already established at least 500 Chinese American babies &#8212; who would grow up without ever having known California &#8212; the state of their birth.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916758</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 14:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We need some wins or at least make an effort.&quot;

From Daniel Henninger, no less:


http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-conservatives-you-won-1440628311]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need some wins or at least make an effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>From Daniel Henninger, no less:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-conservatives-you-won-1440628311" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wsj.com/articles/hey-conservatives-you-won-1440628311</a></p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916699</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You mentioned Gramsci. You didn&#039;t mention his American counterpart, Saul Alinsky. The Obama folk, and rest of the Democrat elite are all acolytes of Alinsky. Everything Obama has done has come straight out of Alinsky&#039;s playbook. The aim is to destroy capitalism from within and replace it with socialism. 

So far, Obama is doing a great job. Unsustainable debt? Check. Destroy the middle class? Check. Increase welfare dependency? Check. Create racial division? Check.  Destroy jobs? Check. Create an educated generation of young people who are mired in debt and can&#039;t get jobs? Check. You get the idea.

How do conservatives fight back? Support the GOP? That has achieved nothing, despite massive victories in 2010 and 2014. Support the Tea Party? That has achieved nothing. Support conservative Democrats? There aren&#039;t any left. 

So, in walks Trump, hauling all his baggage, and the first thing he targets is illegal immigration. He started a debate the political elites did not want. He talked about a wall, he talked about making Mexico pay for it, he talked about how Mexico was shipping its criminals across the border, he talked about how Mexico was taking advantage of us, and he did not waver or back down. The media and the other GOP candidates came after him, and he stuck to his guns. Guess what. He struck a chord and rose in the polls. He insulted people, he was rude, and he offended the elite, and they all predicted his demise. 

George Will&#039;s latest &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/082615-768323-george-f-will-trump-phenomenon-could-kill-republican-chances-in-2016.htm?p=full&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;column&lt;/a&gt; is typical of the elite hysteria. I have news for George. Poor Hispanics will never vote for the GOP and stopping the flow of more poor Hispanics across the border is essential if the GOP wants to survive, let alone the America we grew up in. Just read VDH on life in rural California and you will understand what is happening as illegals flood into the country side.

But, despite Will&#039;s and Krauthammer&#039;s brilliant columns, Trump keeps rising in the polls.

These seem to the latest &lt;a href=&quot;http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/26/national-poll-shows-donald-trump-extending-lead-to-40-james-carville-never-seen-anything-like-it/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;numbers.&lt;/a&gt; Trump at 40%, Jeb at 10%. This must be giving Reince Priebus nightmares.

I really wanted a regular politician, say Walker or Cruz, to stand up to the GOP elites, to speak the truth about illegal immigration, and a host of other issues, but they stuck to their talking points, their poll-tested responses, and have gotten no traction. Cruz lost a lot of respect when he dodged Megyn Kelly&#039;s question about whether or not he would deport an illegal immigrant family with two kids born in the US. Trump answered that question. They had to go home, and come back legally (good luck with that, BTW. Getting into the US legally is really hard). Cruz danced and dodged and looked like a politician in the worst possible way.

The biggest obstacle conservatives face is the GOP establishment. Trump is the only weapon on hand to defeat it. I hope this changes, but I doubt it. Everyone else is a politician, and, by definition, they are bought by interests that have no interest in conservative principles.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mentioned Gramsci. You didn&#8217;t mention his American counterpart, Saul Alinsky. The Obama folk, and rest of the Democrat elite are all acolytes of Alinsky. Everything Obama has done has come straight out of Alinsky&#8217;s playbook. The aim is to destroy capitalism from within and replace it with socialism. </p>
<p>So far, Obama is doing a great job. Unsustainable debt? Check. Destroy the middle class? Check. Increase welfare dependency? Check. Create racial division? Check.  Destroy jobs? Check. Create an educated generation of young people who are mired in debt and can&#8217;t get jobs? Check. You get the idea.</p>
<p>How do conservatives fight back? Support the GOP? That has achieved nothing, despite massive victories in 2010 and 2014. Support the Tea Party? That has achieved nothing. Support conservative Democrats? There aren&#8217;t any left. </p>
<p>So, in walks Trump, hauling all his baggage, and the first thing he targets is illegal immigration. He started a debate the political elites did not want. He talked about a wall, he talked about making Mexico pay for it, he talked about how Mexico was shipping its criminals across the border, he talked about how Mexico was taking advantage of us, and he did not waver or back down. The media and the other GOP candidates came after him, and he stuck to his guns. Guess what. He struck a chord and rose in the polls. He insulted people, he was rude, and he offended the elite, and they all predicted his demise. </p>
<p>George Will&#8217;s latest <a href="http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-on-the-right/082615-768323-george-f-will-trump-phenomenon-could-kill-republican-chances-in-2016.htm?p=full" rel="nofollow">column</a> is typical of the elite hysteria. I have news for George. Poor Hispanics will never vote for the GOP and stopping the flow of more poor Hispanics across the border is essential if the GOP wants to survive, let alone the America we grew up in. Just read VDH on life in rural California and you will understand what is happening as illegals flood into the country side.</p>
<p>But, despite Will&#8217;s and Krauthammer&#8217;s brilliant columns, Trump keeps rising in the polls.</p>
<p>These seem to the latest <a href="http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/26/national-poll-shows-donald-trump-extending-lead-to-40-james-carville-never-seen-anything-like-it/" rel="nofollow">numbers.</a> Trump at 40%, Jeb at 10%. This must be giving Reince Priebus nightmares.</p>
<p>I really wanted a regular politician, say Walker or Cruz, to stand up to the GOP elites, to speak the truth about illegal immigration, and a host of other issues, but they stuck to their talking points, their poll-tested responses, and have gotten no traction. Cruz lost a lot of respect when he dodged Megyn Kelly&#8217;s question about whether or not he would deport an illegal immigrant family with two kids born in the US. Trump answered that question. They had to go home, and come back legally (good luck with that, BTW. Getting into the US legally is really hard). Cruz danced and dodged and looked like a politician in the worst possible way.</p>
<p>The biggest obstacle conservatives face is the GOP establishment. Trump is the only weapon on hand to defeat it. I hope this changes, but I doubt it. Everyone else is a politician, and, by definition, they are bought by interests that have no interest in conservative principles.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916518</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump is not fighting anything, any more than a politician or CEO fights anybody directly.

He&#039;s merely what happens when an earthquake causes a tsunami. You get wet and think the ocean is fighting now. No, something else happened beneath the waves that you never saw or heard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump is not fighting anything, any more than a politician or CEO fights anybody directly.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s merely what happens when an earthquake causes a tsunami. You get wet and think the ocean is fighting now. No, something else happened beneath the waves that you never saw or heard.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916510</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornhead,

As to your request for &quot;some wins&quot; see Tyler O&#039;Neill&#039;s current essay at PJMedia:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/thanks-obama-how-a-divisive-presidency-invigorated-the-gop/?singlepage=true]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornhead,</p>
<p>As to your request for &#8220;some wins&#8221; see Tyler O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s current essay at PJMedia:</p>
<p><a href="http://pjmedia.com/blog/thanks-obama-how-a-divisive-presidency-invigorated-the-gop/?singlepage=true" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pjmedia.com/blog/thanks-obama-how-a-divisive-presidency-invigorated-the-gop/?singlepage=true</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916507</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 17:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lord Acton , others have recommended similar strategic overhauls here before, concerning taking the offensive.

Trying to convince, via reason, a bunch of Leftists that are merely zombies of their necromancer lords, isn&#039;t particularly useful, especially if all anyone ever does for this is to go into a turtleshell and &quot;defend&quot; their positions and policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Acton , others have recommended similar strategic overhauls here before, concerning taking the offensive.</p>
<p>Trying to convince, via reason, a bunch of Leftists that are merely zombies of their necromancer lords, isn&#8217;t particularly useful, especially if all anyone ever does for this is to go into a turtleshell and &#8220;defend&#8221; their positions and policies.</p>
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		By: T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916481</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lord Acton,

This is why I liked Newt Gingrich; he had the ability to reframe debates to his advantage and refused to play within the confines of the leftist arena.

IMO Carly Fiorina has shown this ability with even more aplomb.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Acton,</p>
<p>This is why I liked Newt Gingrich; he had the ability to reframe debates to his advantage and refused to play within the confines of the leftist arena.</p>
<p>IMO Carly Fiorina has shown this ability with even more aplomb.</p>
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		By: Lord Acton		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/25/conservative-whining-conservative-solutions/#comment-916480</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord Acton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another quick example.  Whenever the Republicans try to cut anything from the budget, at any level of government, they are castigated for their efforts.  Ask liberals if they are o.k. with our deficits and exploding debt.  Ask them why shouldn&#039;t we borrow 100% of our annual spending.  We are borrowing $426 billion to meet our federal spending needs this year, if that is o.k., why shouldn&#039;t we borrow more of the 3.7 trillion that we are spending this year? Is it ever o.k. to cut government spending?  Do they worry what will happen if we continue on the path that we are on?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another quick example.  Whenever the Republicans try to cut anything from the budget, at any level of government, they are castigated for their efforts.  Ask liberals if they are o.k. with our deficits and exploding debt.  Ask them why shouldn&#8217;t we borrow 100% of our annual spending.  We are borrowing $426 billion to meet our federal spending needs this year, if that is o.k., why shouldn&#8217;t we borrow more of the 3.7 trillion that we are spending this year? Is it ever o.k. to cut government spending?  Do they worry what will happen if we continue on the path that we are on?</p>
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		By: Lord Acton		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 12:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In no particular order:

1) Try to elect conservatives over RINOs in as many primaries as possible, at all levels of elected government.

2) If you live in a municipality/district/state that is going to elect a Democrat until the rapture, register as a Democrat and vote for the least bad Democrat in their primary elections.

3) Many folks who vote Democrat process the world emotionally rather than rationally.  I am not talking about the hard core of the party, who are all about power and control, I am talking about the masses of useful idiots.  The Dems have managed to frame almost every issue to appeal to these emotion based voters.  For example, whenever abortion comes up, the Republicans get hit with the rape and incest scenario. Rape and incest are likely less than 1% of all abortions, but the Dems have used these cases to frame the abortion debate for decades.  Ditto for immigration, minimum wage, you name it.  I suggest that we try to turn the emotional battle to our advantage by asking liberals (colleagues, friends, family, media figures, politicians, etc.) questions like: how do you feel about 75% of all African American pregnancies being aborted?  How do you feel about gender selective abortion?  If a genetic basis for homosexuality is discovered, how would you feel about sexual orientation based abortion?  On immigration: Why shouldn&#039;t we throw our borders wide open?  Why not?  What limits would you put on immigration?  If they propose a limit, push them to justify it.  What should the minimum wage be?  When they answer, ask them why it shouldn&#039;t be $5 higher than their answer?  Would they put any limits on government workers retirement benefits?  Why?  Why shouldn&#039;t these valuable workers get 2X their current retirement benefits?   
The goal here in to push them to confront the contradictions of their positions and the limits of reality.
I think even the most hard core proponent of unrestricted immigration will have a limit.  Encourage them to make the intellectual leap of discovering this limit and defending it.  
I guess what I am trying to say is we need to stop letting the debates be framed in a way that puts us on the defensive and in a way where we lose the support of all of the emotion based citizens of our country.   I think if we switch the focus as I have described, we can start winning over some of these emotion based voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In no particular order:</p>
<p>1) Try to elect conservatives over RINOs in as many primaries as possible, at all levels of elected government.</p>
<p>2) If you live in a municipality/district/state that is going to elect a Democrat until the rapture, register as a Democrat and vote for the least bad Democrat in their primary elections.</p>
<p>3) Many folks who vote Democrat process the world emotionally rather than rationally.  I am not talking about the hard core of the party, who are all about power and control, I am talking about the masses of useful idiots.  The Dems have managed to frame almost every issue to appeal to these emotion based voters.  For example, whenever abortion comes up, the Republicans get hit with the rape and incest scenario. Rape and incest are likely less than 1% of all abortions, but the Dems have used these cases to frame the abortion debate for decades.  Ditto for immigration, minimum wage, you name it.  I suggest that we try to turn the emotional battle to our advantage by asking liberals (colleagues, friends, family, media figures, politicians, etc.) questions like: how do you feel about 75% of all African American pregnancies being aborted?  How do you feel about gender selective abortion?  If a genetic basis for homosexuality is discovered, how would you feel about sexual orientation based abortion?  On immigration: Why shouldn&#8217;t we throw our borders wide open?  Why not?  What limits would you put on immigration?  If they propose a limit, push them to justify it.  What should the minimum wage be?  When they answer, ask them why it shouldn&#8217;t be $5 higher than their answer?  Would they put any limits on government workers retirement benefits?  Why?  Why shouldn&#8217;t these valuable workers get 2X their current retirement benefits?<br />
The goal here in to push them to confront the contradictions of their positions and the limits of reality.<br />
I think even the most hard core proponent of unrestricted immigration will have a limit.  Encourage them to make the intellectual leap of discovering this limit and defending it.<br />
I guess what I am trying to say is we need to stop letting the debates be framed in a way that puts us on the defensive and in a way where we lose the support of all of the emotion based citizens of our country.   I think if we switch the focus as I have described, we can start winning over some of these emotion based voters.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2015 05:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excessive immigration generally, but illegal immigration in particular, is an emotional issue because people understand intuitively that it is an exchange.  An exchange of human lives, their children&#039;s lives.  A cover for aborted lives, and other pro-choice policies.  A violation of their civil and possibly human rights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excessive immigration generally, but illegal immigration in particular, is an emotional issue because people understand intuitively that it is an exchange.  An exchange of human lives, their children&#8217;s lives.  A cover for aborted lives, and other pro-choice policies.  A violation of their civil and possibly human rights.</p>
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