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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PatD:

He did not qualify it in his comment to illegals who are criminals.

And every single pundit and opinion writer reacted as though he was saying all illegals.  Nor did he correct their supposition.  So I think we can assume it was correct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PatD:</p>
<p>He did not qualify it in his comment to illegals who are criminals.</p>
<p>And every single pundit and opinion writer reacted as though he was saying all illegals.  Nor did he correct their supposition.  So I think we can assume it was correct.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gracepc:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gracepc:</p>
<p>You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Clayton Bigsby:

And we as viewers are capable of &lt;i&gt;judging&lt;/i&gt; the relative sincerity of candidates.  We also judge whether their proposals are at all realistic.

I judge Trump more wanting than most of the candidates on those.  The issue of sincerity---the one you&#039;re discussing here---I judge by demeanor and previous statements.  Now, it&#039;s certainly possible to change one&#039;s mind and be sincere.  But Trump has changed his mind too quickly on way too many things, and also done some of it without explanation.  He also admits a &lt;i&gt;present-day&lt;/i&gt; very close friendship with the Clintons.  He also is a narcissist, self-admitted really, and a blowhard.  Blowhards and narcissists tend by their very nature to be untrustworthy.

He is not even that fabulous a businessman, by the way (the four bankruptcies).  He is a good self-promoter, and a fairly good businessman who is not a self-made man except as a celebrity, and of course in &lt;i&gt;growing&lt;/i&gt; his inherited wealth.

By the way---calling George Bush evil is pretty evil itself, and calling him a liar is simply following the liberal/leftist handbook.  Trump might have disagreed with Bush&#039;s policy and the Iraq War without doing it in that particular way.  I think those things reveal what Trump&#039;s about.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clayton Bigsby:</p>
<p>And we as viewers are capable of <i>judging</i> the relative sincerity of candidates.  We also judge whether their proposals are at all realistic.</p>
<p>I judge Trump more wanting than most of the candidates on those.  The issue of sincerity&#8212;the one you&#8217;re discussing here&#8212;I judge by demeanor and previous statements.  Now, it&#8217;s certainly possible to change one&#8217;s mind and be sincere.  But Trump has changed his mind too quickly on way too many things, and also done some of it without explanation.  He also admits a <i>present-day</i> very close friendship with the Clintons.  He also is a narcissist, self-admitted really, and a blowhard.  Blowhards and narcissists tend by their very nature to be untrustworthy.</p>
<p>He is not even that fabulous a businessman, by the way (the four bankruptcies).  He is a good self-promoter, and a fairly good businessman who is not a self-made man except as a celebrity, and of course in <i>growing</i> his inherited wealth.</p>
<p>By the way&#8212;calling George Bush evil is pretty evil itself, and calling him a liar is simply following the liberal/leftist handbook.  Trump might have disagreed with Bush&#8217;s policy and the Iraq War without doing it in that particular way.  I think those things reveal what Trump&#8217;s about.  </p>
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		By: Clayton Bigsby		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/16/trump-announces-his-immigration-plan/#comment-914749</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker,
Good morning. I trust visions of sugar plums danced in your head, and your head is clear now.

With regard to sincerity, Trump is as capable or incapable as ANY other politician ......remember we are talking POLITICiANS.....as for Trump, you are aware I&#039;m sure, that we are dealing with 2 personas here .....Donald Trump and &quot;The Donald &quot;....Right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker,<br />
Good morning. I trust visions of sugar plums danced in your head, and your head is clear now.</p>
<p>With regard to sincerity, Trump is as capable or incapable as ANY other politician &#8230;&#8230;remember we are talking POLITICiANS&#8230;..as for Trump, you are aware I&#8217;m sure, that we are dealing with 2 personas here &#8230;..Donald Trump and &#8220;The Donald &#8220;&#8230;.Right?</p>
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		By: gracepc		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/16/trump-announces-his-immigration-plan/#comment-914745</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo neocon and MJR

Thank you both for taking the time to respond, especially on Sunday.  It was useful to me. And prompted me to look more thoroughly.  The thread is now passed but I will continue to read and respond.

One thing that appears to be true -- in reacting to Trump, national conversation about issues (once we get beyond pro-anti Trump) seems to have been stimulated.

Anyway thanks for a terrific blog neo .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo neocon and MJR</p>
<p>Thank you both for taking the time to respond, especially on Sunday.  It was useful to me. And prompted me to look more thoroughly.  The thread is now passed but I will continue to read and respond.</p>
<p>One thing that appears to be true &#8212; in reacting to Trump, national conversation about issues (once we get beyond pro-anti Trump) seems to have been stimulated.</p>
<p>Anyway thanks for a terrific blog neo .</p>
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		By: Tonawanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh well, as long as I am venting long after the thread has been read to sleep.

Steyn in his &quot;Trumping the party&quot; column had disdainful words about those who were concerned about or saw significance in Trump&#039;s incoherence.  

But he cites as significant the coherence and undeniability of the three guiding principles enunciated in Trumps&#039; written immigration proposal.   And truly, they are wonderful principles.

Trump did not write those.  Like BO&#039;s authorship, there is zero evidence Trump has the capacity to write those.  And it is at best charitable speculation whether Trump ever thought those things or even believes those things.  

Cruz, Fiorina and Jindal could have actually written those principles themselves (I don&#039;t know about Walker).  

As far as any human can trust another human under the circumstances, the ability of the three to be capable of actually writing those principles presumably is strongly related to having thought about those principles and believing in those principles.  In other words, coherence and integrity.

There are no firewalls in this type of thing.

But when it comes to doing the right thing, I trust the coherent &quot;alleged non-buffoons&quot; to the actual, undisputed buffoon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, as long as I am venting long after the thread has been read to sleep.</p>
<p>Steyn in his &#8220;Trumping the party&#8221; column had disdainful words about those who were concerned about or saw significance in Trump&#8217;s incoherence.  </p>
<p>But he cites as significant the coherence and undeniability of the three guiding principles enunciated in Trumps&#8217; written immigration proposal.   And truly, they are wonderful principles.</p>
<p>Trump did not write those.  Like BO&#8217;s authorship, there is zero evidence Trump has the capacity to write those.  And it is at best charitable speculation whether Trump ever thought those things or even believes those things.  </p>
<p>Cruz, Fiorina and Jindal could have actually written those principles themselves (I don&#8217;t know about Walker).  </p>
<p>As far as any human can trust another human under the circumstances, the ability of the three to be capable of actually writing those principles presumably is strongly related to having thought about those principles and believing in those principles.  In other words, coherence and integrity.</p>
<p>There are no firewalls in this type of thing.</p>
<p>But when it comes to doing the right thing, I trust the coherent &#8220;alleged non-buffoons&#8221; to the actual, undisputed buffoon.</p>
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		By: Tonawanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just a lonely and somewhat despondent after-note.

Half way down, Steyn confirms that his support of Trump exists despite whether or not Trump is a &quot;phony and a liar&quot;.  

Steyn concedes that Trump might be a phony and a liar.  But, he argues, look at the phonies and liars who are Republican office holders!  Phonies and liars like Cruz, Walker and Jindal.

I wish I could come up with a Steyn-like witticism about non-sequitors.

http://www.steynonline.com/7116/the-big-finnish

See what Trump hath wrought?  I sit here, now,  more deeply disgusted at Rush and Steyn et. al, than anyone else.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a lonely and somewhat despondent after-note.</p>
<p>Half way down, Steyn confirms that his support of Trump exists despite whether or not Trump is a &#8220;phony and a liar&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Steyn concedes that Trump might be a phony and a liar.  But, he argues, look at the phonies and liars who are Republican office holders!  Phonies and liars like Cruz, Walker and Jindal.</p>
<p>I wish I could come up with a Steyn-like witticism about non-sequitors.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.steynonline.com/7116/the-big-finnish" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.steynonline.com/7116/the-big-finnish</a></p>
<p>See what Trump hath wrought?  I sit here, now,  more deeply disgusted at Rush and Steyn et. al, than anyone else.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OK, Clayton, you may be a somewhat sincere person, but trump?!? Where in his past, present, or future do you find a single electron to state he is sincere? Your blah, blah, blah royal donald is not accepted  as evidence.

Now, I go to sleep. May we all (including  children and grandchildren) sleep well... even bho.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Clayton, you may be a somewhat sincere person, but trump?!? Where in his past, present, or future do you find a single electron to state he is sincere? Your blah, blah, blah royal donald is not accepted  as evidence.</p>
<p>Now, I go to sleep. May we all (including  children and grandchildren) sleep well&#8230; even bho.</p>
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		By: PatD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 06:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Neo-Neocon. I saw that comment but it is unclear who he was talking about. Anchor babies? Illegal felons? His policy paper only talks about deporting criminals:

&quot;All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.&quot;

One could argue that they are all criminals merely by coming here illegally, but that does not appear to be the intent. The preceding sentence tells you who he is talking about. 

&quot;The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. &quot;

These are are the people he wants to deport en masses and who could disagree? Thousands of of American citizens and legal immigrants are raped, murdered, molested and robbed by illegal immigrants every year. Just the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants driving drunk is staggering. 9/11 pales by comparison. You can find a sample &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

You did not comment on his H-1B proposal. If you are a young computer science graduate looking for your first job, you&#039;ll have trouble finding one at one of America&#039;s largest healthcare providers, where I worked for 10 years.  They contract to Tata Consulting Services (India) to support many applications. There is no entry point for an American College graduate to join the team that manages the application. 

I lived through the transition from American employees to H-1B and off-shore employees. I helped make this strategy work for them. I got on well with the Tata people and we worked well together. Good for Tata; bad for America. 

So, raising the prevailing wage for H-1B workers makes a lot of sense. We would still have H-1B workers coming in but they would be the cream of the crop, not the mediocre ones. I could tell stories.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neo-Neocon. I saw that comment but it is unclear who he was talking about. Anchor babies? Illegal felons? His policy paper only talks about deporting criminals:</p>
<p>&#8220;All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.&#8221;</p>
<p>One could argue that they are all criminals merely by coming here illegally, but that does not appear to be the intent. The preceding sentence tells you who he is talking about. </p>
<p>&#8220;The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. &#8221;</p>
<p>These are are the people he wants to deport en masses and who could disagree? Thousands of of American citizens and legal immigrants are raped, murdered, molested and robbed by illegal immigrants every year. Just the number of Americans killed by illegal immigrants driving drunk is staggering. 9/11 pales by comparison. You can find a sample <a href="http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>You did not comment on his H-1B proposal. If you are a young computer science graduate looking for your first job, you&#8217;ll have trouble finding one at one of America&#8217;s largest healthcare providers, where I worked for 10 years.  They contract to Tata Consulting Services (India) to support many applications. There is no entry point for an American College graduate to join the team that manages the application. </p>
<p>I lived through the transition from American employees to H-1B and off-shore employees. I helped make this strategy work for them. I got on well with the Tata people and we worked well together. Good for Tata; bad for America. </p>
<p>So, raising the prevailing wage for H-1B workers makes a lot of sense. We would still have H-1B workers coming in but they would be the cream of the crop, not the mediocre ones. I could tell stories.</p>
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		By: Clayton Bigsby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2015 05:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,
Was that a trick question.....; )  First of all you can&#039;t gauruntee that because Me, myself, I, and just about every other conservative was well aware that the Repulicans were really missing the boat (no pun intended) on the Latin immigrant issue with the Latino voters.

as for Bush being evil...well ok if he said that then yeah, stupid...but it&#039;s not blasphemy to me....an old lifelong dyed-in-the-wool Con, BTW.....not a Neo-Con....(not that theres anyting wrong with that) and as for the &quot;high praise&quot; for the Clinton&#039;s...well I could bring up the little love fest between none other than Bush himself  and Bill....but I won&#039;t .

I don&#039;t want to excuse Trump.. I&#039;m just calling them as I see them based on personal experience....I never said I BELIEVED in him other than the REAL PERSON in the flesh seemed fine to me and I&#039;m far from discarding him based on the weight of media BS.....he&#039;s an IMPORTANT catalyst right now and I think it naive and just plain stupid to want to remove him until we see where this takes us....is he electable ? Doubtful...can I see him in the delicate roll of Leader of the Free World....Probably not....But as I said its so early, why in Gods name would you want to see this over at this juncture ? Everyone has a chance to see where everyone REALLY stands.



You&#039;ve jumped to a lot of conclusions about me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,<br />
Was that a trick question&#8230;..; )  First of all you can&#8217;t gauruntee that because Me, myself, I, and just about every other conservative was well aware that the Repulicans were really missing the boat (no pun intended) on the Latin immigrant issue with the Latino voters.</p>
<p>as for Bush being evil&#8230;well ok if he said that then yeah, stupid&#8230;but it&#8217;s not blasphemy to me&#8230;.an old lifelong dyed-in-the-wool Con, BTW&#8230;..not a Neo-Con&#8230;.(not that theres anyting wrong with that) and as for the &#8220;high praise&#8221; for the Clinton&#8217;s&#8230;well I could bring up the little love fest between none other than Bush himself  and Bill&#8230;.but I won&#8217;t .</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to excuse Trump.. I&#8217;m just calling them as I see them based on personal experience&#8230;.I never said I BELIEVED in him other than the REAL PERSON in the flesh seemed fine to me and I&#8217;m far from discarding him based on the weight of media BS&#8230;..he&#8217;s an IMPORTANT catalyst right now and I think it naive and just plain stupid to want to remove him until we see where this takes us&#8230;.is he electable ? Doubtful&#8230;can I see him in the delicate roll of Leader of the Free World&#8230;.Probably not&#8230;.But as I said its so early, why in Gods name would you want to see this over at this juncture ? Everyone has a chance to see where everyone REALLY stands.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve jumped to a lot of conclusions about me.</p>
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