Before, the media could put out a hit on anyone, and most people, including conservatives or Republicans here, would fall for it. Plop, they would and did.

Now a few years after that, they can’t even put up a sufficient defense for ACORn or Planned Profit in time. Big difference in OODA there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_control#Derivative_terms

The Regime or any other top down heavy, pyramidal hierarchy based, organization could do little to nothing against it.

Some recent examples are flash riots or mobs. Something the National Guard could suppress, but they did nothing, they weren’t allowed to do anything. The police unions are grid locked and ordered to “let them riot”.

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Dethroning of Reddit Ceo by GamerGate and alliance.
Even Duck Dynasty and defense of the rancher that Reid wanted to steal the land from, were aided by internet based C4. Even as recent as 2008, during Sarah Palin’s campaign, the media could send a report and have it reliably be believed, even by the idiots with “political agendas” that are supposedly conservative. People fell all over themselves mouthing what their Leftist puppets told them to think about Palin’s two (edited and sabotaged) interviews with the media.

Planned Profit got hit by a video sting with an insurgency based C4 that was faster OODA wise than anything else in existence, other than Breitbart and O keefe’s ACORn stings.

The established crowd don’t have the motivation to upset the apple cart or rebel against their Leftist masters. They know which side of the bread the butter is on, they also know how much Leftist orgs like ACORN or PProfit pays out for “loyalty”. They also know or feel the consequences of disloyalty, as the Left likes to punish heretics and apostates, although not to the same degree as Islamic JIhad does.

But in light of that, I think GamerGate, VoxDay + Baen rebellion at the Hugos, are creating interesting 4 generational insurgency movements, which have successfully pushed back the Left. They are not united in politics, because politics is not their goal. Resisting the Left and making the Left suffer, is their goal. And in that sense, it becomes symmetrical to the Left’s normally asymmetrical warfare of Total Domination vs America’s Peaceful Election Eras. Now it is organizations created and designed to destroy the Left vs Leftist organizations created and designed to wage war on humanity. Because it is more symmetrical, the Left takes more damage.

Even the popularity of Trump was only the result of 4th generational movements creating a social space that promotes disgust and hatred of the Leftist alliance.

Hate is what was required, although that in itself does not make a controllable weapon in war. It takes an organization, but that organization cannot have a leader, because the Left is very good at subverting, suborning, blackmailing, terminating, or getting rid of “leaders”.

Leftist intel sources store and monitor net traffick, but they lack the powerful analysts that can allow them to pinpoint targets for tactical and strategic offensives.

Something obvious like a 401 Tea Party organizing designed to get multi million dollar donations to the TP grass roots organization, was something the Left could easily recognize, freeze, target, gag, and suppress. As they did to the Walker supporters in Wisconsin for years without anyone, including the so called Republicans, knowing about it or caring about it.

Good points. At the time of the TP rise, it if had been or masked something different (a 4th gen radical element), it might have used the net effectively.

Today, massive evidence supports the conclusion that the net offers no privacy, so the time when it might have served an effective C3+ role has come and gone. That being the case, a 4th gen element today would suffer from lack of effective and time-responsive OODA loop.

And although Eric has not returned to this old thread, I do not see the right, *ever* devoting themselves to the same kind of long march that left did. The left is/was motivated in the decades long effort by its characteristic quest for total control of others. That’s a powerful motivator, and can be seen today wherever the left has succeeded (Palin, PC, Ferguson narrative, Chick-Fil-A, Hugo’s, GamerGate, and the hundreds more we could list). The right, broadly speaking (yes, there are exceptions) is motivated substantially by a desire for personal liberty and autonomy, which now does and would continually act against the termite/herd think and behavior requisite for the long march.

I’d like to hear Eric’s thoughts on how what he proposes could ever succeed given today’s starting positions.

My view remains that the right cannot win the current game, rigged as it is on all parts (Do you like our Hillary? No, then how about our Bernie or Joe models? If not, we’ve got a great Jeb! Or Rubio for you, etc.) So then the only hope would be a massive outside-the-rules game changer. Trump appears to be the only currently-visible chance along those lines.

For those who have read Asimov, it may help to think of Trump as the Mule.

I think you have something there. People are quite concerned about ISIS, though most don’t know what to do and Iran is concerning — however, it is also true that the PP videos hit people in the gut. Very, very disturbing…

Most current insurgency and anti Leftist operations are conducted by 4th generational warfare cliques and non state actors. Witness ACORN and PProfit operations.

The thing that successful ops have in common is that their donor list and their donations goes through the internet, and thus part of their cellular system is based around the superior Command and Control system that is the internet itself. The Tea Party was partially corrupted by authoritarian and orthodox politics. If you play by political rules, then the corruption is easier to send over to the TP by the powers that be, because you’re using the same command and control they are using, the same funding agencies, or the same control pathways.

Eventually, the Left seeing that the TP could not be restricted entirely by orthodox means, used extra legal black operations, with the IRS only merely being one part of the whole spear.

The Tea Party needed a decentralized command and control system, along with untraceable funding, in order to guarantee that the cellular organization could not be suppressed via “large scale bombing”, “traitors within”, “subversion from with out”. That’s not feasible if you are running a political election campaign however. Elections have rules.

Running a 4th gen warfare operation on the net, doesn’t have rules necessarily.

Many people came to similar conclusions when they saw what was done to Sarah Palin. Known and known unknown traitors were discovered in one’s town, even as the nation was fighting a foreign enemy.

How can the nation fight Islamic JIhad which has conquered for hundreds of years, when at home traitors are amassing power and sabotaging everything? But how can those traitors be defeaten, if the insurgency cells and resistance cells are themselves sabotaged from within?

By following the necessities of logistics in a military campaign, most rational or logical conclusions can be reached on this score as it relates to who should have priority on termination.

It is actually possible to say Trump was wrong to say what he did, and to say it as Fiorina said it (she said that women in general were upset by it), without “representing the politically correct feminist corruption of the GOP.” However, I agree that there are plenty of people who will see it that way.

This is what Fiorina actually said in an interview about it. Her emphasis was on the thin skin of Trump, which I think she should have stuck to. But I agree that Trump alienated a lot of women. However, I’m not sure how big his support was among women anyway.

“As is, Trump is merely exploiting the market inefficiency created by the shortage of effective Right activism. Conservatives need to defeat the Left with a full-spectrum Gramscian (counter-)march. But, instead of doing their part, conservatives keep putting it on Republicans while insisting wrongly that winning political office will fix everything else. They have the process backwards.”

I am not and have never been a Tea Partier. However, I have been a close observer of it and its fate. My conclusion – seeing how the GOPe seemed to put FAR more effort into defeating TP candidates than Demos (including getting Demos to vote against them, pulling funding from candidates that even smiled at the TP, etc.) – is that the GOPe will continue to prevent effective conservative activism. Because that is NOT what the GOPe wants.

That is why I conclude that the GOPe must die FIRST (and Trump may be the means). Only then, per this working view, can conservatism have a real chance to change things through activism. Granted, a dangerous and tenuous chance.

If you think this is an incorrect conclusion, what would you have changed about the conservative/TP rise, then crushing (by GOPe and Demonrats) that could have made it successful?