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		By: IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912908</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 18:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.&lt;/i&gt;

Trump offers an &quot;Anyone but Trump&quot; movement to match or exceed that of the &quot;Anyone but Hillary&quot; mark.

Of COURSE  Bill and Hillary like the idea.

Polarizing the electorate. It&#039;s the Democrats&#039; stock in trade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.</i></p>
<p>Trump offers an &#8220;Anyone but Trump&#8221; movement to match or exceed that of the &#8220;Anyone but Hillary&#8221; mark.</p>
<p>Of COURSE  Bill and Hillary like the idea.</p>
<p>Polarizing the electorate. It&#8217;s the Democrats&#8217; stock in trade.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912896</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2015 17:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump talks big but the issue is whether has the spine to actually do anything to kill the Left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump talks big but the issue is whether has the spine to actually do anything to kill the Left.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912438</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 16:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

You are mistaking narcissism and showboat tendencies for strength.  They are not the same thing.

Contrast someone like Reagan (or even Thatcher, who wasn&#039;t an alpha &lt;i&gt;male&lt;/i&gt; but who was about as alpha as they come) with Trump.  They were the real deal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>You are mistaking narcissism and showboat tendencies for strength.  They are not the same thing.</p>
<p>Contrast someone like Reagan (or even Thatcher, who wasn&#8217;t an alpha <i>male</i> but who was about as alpha as they come) with Trump.  They were the real deal.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912432</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But his narcissism and his showboat tendencies could very much get in the way. 

not really, its an advantage among the elite and successful...  being a beta male in an alpha males position is horribly wrong... being an alpha male is what works, and women tend not to like the alpha male if he is not THEIR alpha... 

otherwise what they trust is someone like obama.. 
not threatening, incompetent, feminine, scheming, etc. 

its what women like...  
and let me know how the leaders like that have done their thing compared to leaders like reagan... (he wasnt a effeminate left leaning man was he?), or carter (perfect for the ladies)... 

basically, the ladies are bitching there are no more real men, and their elective choices are weak men who use the power of state to inflict upon others their ideas, not strong men that can negotiate and do real deals...  those guys are scary, their effectiveness is what makes them scary - just as the effeminate emmasculated impotent makes them feel safe. 

could this be why every matriarchy failed and died out and were rarely remembered but in myth? what kind of leaders would they have that would not scare them... 

sheep are scared of the sheep dog like the wolf
but a wolf in sheep clothing makes you feel better till you understand the fundamental difference of the two.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But his narcissism and his showboat tendencies could very much get in the way. </p>
<p>not really, its an advantage among the elite and successful&#8230;  being a beta male in an alpha males position is horribly wrong&#8230; being an alpha male is what works, and women tend not to like the alpha male if he is not THEIR alpha&#8230; </p>
<p>otherwise what they trust is someone like obama..<br />
not threatening, incompetent, feminine, scheming, etc. </p>
<p>its what women like&#8230;<br />
and let me know how the leaders like that have done their thing compared to leaders like reagan&#8230; (he wasnt a effeminate left leaning man was he?), or carter (perfect for the ladies)&#8230; </p>
<p>basically, the ladies are bitching there are no more real men, and their elective choices are weak men who use the power of state to inflict upon others their ideas, not strong men that can negotiate and do real deals&#8230;  those guys are scary, their effectiveness is what makes them scary &#8211; just as the effeminate emmasculated impotent makes them feel safe. </p>
<p>could this be why every matriarchy failed and died out and were rarely remembered but in myth? what kind of leaders would they have that would not scare them&#8230; </p>
<p>sheep are scared of the sheep dog like the wolf<br />
but a wolf in sheep clothing makes you feel better till you understand the fundamental difference of the two.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912427</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G6loq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nostalgia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nostalgia.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912426</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G6loq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Yes, Trump is something of a clown and entertainer, but I judge him to NOT be a ‘fireman’.&lt;/i&gt;
Possibly not a &#039;fireman&#039; but definitely &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a &#039;he&#039; man.&lt;/a&gt;

Giuliani opines:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/05/giuliani_on_trump_we_might_have_a_little_reagan_here_will_do_pretty_darn_well_tomorrow_night.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Giuliani on Trump: &quot;We Might Have A Little Reagan Here,&quot;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, Trump is something of a clown and entertainer, but I judge him to NOT be a ‘fireman’.</i><br />
Possibly not a &#8216;fireman&#8217; but definitely <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8" title="" rel="nofollow">a &#8216;he&#8217; man.</a></p>
<p>Giuliani opines:<br />
<a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/05/giuliani_on_trump_we_might_have_a_little_reagan_here_will_do_pretty_darn_well_tomorrow_night.html" title="" rel="nofollow">Giuliani on Trump: &#8220;We Might Have A Little Reagan Here,&#8221;</a></p>
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		By: OriginalFrank		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912423</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OriginalFrank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw, although I hadn&#039;t posted yet, I felt like Neo was speaking personally to me with this:

&#062; I think those who support Trump are shooting from the hip and feel a certain emotional satisfaction, but are throwing away one of their best chances since Ronald Reagan to elect an actual conservative as president. Maybe they don’t care. Maybe they really do want to “Let it burn.&quot;

My view is that it is and has been burning - a conflagration - for a long time, and the people we&#039;ve elected - over and over again - to put it out are just accepting our money and delegated authority.  Then they are joining their peers in the &#039;official&#039; leftist party in throwing gasoline on the flames.

We must stop deceiving ourselves, and arrange for improved arrangements that don&#039;t include those &#039;firemen&#039;.

Yes, Trump is something of a clown and entertainer, but I judge him to NOT be a &#039;fireman&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, although I hadn&#8217;t posted yet, I felt like Neo was speaking personally to me with this:</p>
<p>&gt; I think those who support Trump are shooting from the hip and feel a certain emotional satisfaction, but are throwing away one of their best chances since Ronald Reagan to elect an actual conservative as president. Maybe they don’t care. Maybe they really do want to “Let it burn.&#8221;</p>
<p>My view is that it is and has been burning &#8211; a conflagration &#8211; for a long time, and the people we&#8217;ve elected &#8211; over and over again &#8211; to put it out are just accepting our money and delegated authority.  Then they are joining their peers in the &#8216;official&#8217; leftist party in throwing gasoline on the flames.</p>
<p>We must stop deceiving ourselves, and arrange for improved arrangements that don&#8217;t include those &#8216;firemen&#8217;.</p>
<p>Yes, Trump is something of a clown and entertainer, but I judge him to NOT be a &#8216;fireman&#8217;.</p>
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		By: junior		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/08/07/further-reflections-on-the-trump-phenomenon/#comment-912422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[junior]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the problems that I&#039;m seeing too much of these two arguments from Trump supporters -

1.)  &quot;It&#039;s all for Jeb anyway, so I&#039;m going to vote for the bomb thrower instead of someone who talks up conservative principles.&quot;

2.)  &#039;Even the conservatives are taking a non-conservative stance where no one can see them.&quot;

The first one denies that you have an opportunity to influence the vote.  If that&#039;s the case, why are you even voting?

The second one displays such a high degree of cynicism that I wonder why you even bother to pay attention to what&#039;s going on, since you don&#039;t believe a single word that comes out of any of the candidates&#039; mouths.  Why bother to watch the debates if you automatically assume that any conservative statements by a candidate are lies?


Unfortunately, the second point can only be confirmed or refuted by putting the individual in office.  Obviously people working under that belief aren&#039;t willing to give any of the candidates that chance.

The first point, however, should have gotten a rather big pushback following the first debate.  24 million Americans watched the debate.  That&#039;s almost one in thirteen Americans that watched Jeb Bush give a weak performance.  Even the GOP establishment wiill likely have a hard time overcoming that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems that I&#8217;m seeing too much of these two arguments from Trump supporters &#8211;</p>
<p>1.)  &#8220;It&#8217;s all for Jeb anyway, so I&#8217;m going to vote for the bomb thrower instead of someone who talks up conservative principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>2.)  &#8216;Even the conservatives are taking a non-conservative stance where no one can see them.&#8221;</p>
<p>The first one denies that you have an opportunity to influence the vote.  If that&#8217;s the case, why are you even voting?</p>
<p>The second one displays such a high degree of cynicism that I wonder why you even bother to pay attention to what&#8217;s going on, since you don&#8217;t believe a single word that comes out of any of the candidates&#8217; mouths.  Why bother to watch the debates if you automatically assume that any conservative statements by a candidate are lies?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the second point can only be confirmed or refuted by putting the individual in office.  Obviously people working under that belief aren&#8217;t willing to give any of the candidates that chance.</p>
<p>The first point, however, should have gotten a rather big pushback following the first debate.  24 million Americans watched the debate.  That&#8217;s almost one in thirteen Americans that watched Jeb Bush give a weak performance.  Even the GOP establishment wiill likely have a hard time overcoming that.</p>
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		By: OriginalFrank		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OriginalFrank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tonawanda,  I guess I wasn&#039;t clear enough.  I don&#039;t mean that Trump will help rebuild the GOP, I mean that he will destroy much of the GOPe which is arraigned entirely against him.  Either he gets elected and subverts them (unlikely but possible) or he runs a third party and eclipses them (and probably loses).

Either way, the GOPe is done.  I more-or-less accept the evidence presented here of the GOP today as just a wing of the leftists/elitist/statist party:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/06/why-i-still-support-donald-trump-part-3-the-intellectual-argument/#more-104572

I don&#039;t know that the Donahue and the Chamber of Commerce conclusion is valid, but the verifiable facts presented are damning.  I found the GOPe unwillingness to support Cuccinelli at the final line as truly enlightening.

The other candidates are, IMO, just new flavors of GOPe.  I sadly include Cruz and Fiorina in that assessment though I wish not.

The party must be destroyed, and again, I say this recognizing that there is limited possibility of an improved arrangement on the other side.  But what we have now, is simply a deception.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonawanda,  I guess I wasn&#8217;t clear enough.  I don&#8217;t mean that Trump will help rebuild the GOP, I mean that he will destroy much of the GOPe which is arraigned entirely against him.  Either he gets elected and subverts them (unlikely but possible) or he runs a third party and eclipses them (and probably loses).</p>
<p>Either way, the GOPe is done.  I more-or-less accept the evidence presented here of the GOP today as just a wing of the leftists/elitist/statist party:</p>
<p><a href="http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/06/why-i-still-support-donald-trump-part-3-the-intellectual-argument/#more-104572" rel="nofollow ugc">http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/08/06/why-i-still-support-donald-trump-part-3-the-intellectual-argument/#more-104572</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that the Donahue and the Chamber of Commerce conclusion is valid, but the verifiable facts presented are damning.  I found the GOPe unwillingness to support Cuccinelli at the final line as truly enlightening.</p>
<p>The other candidates are, IMO, just new flavors of GOPe.  I sadly include Cruz and Fiorina in that assessment though I wish not.</p>
<p>The party must be destroyed, and again, I say this recognizing that there is limited possibility of an improved arrangement on the other side.  But what we have now, is simply a deception.</p>
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		By: steph		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tonawanda-  I like Fiorina&#039;s speeches, but she has a very cozy relationship with the establishment and has a track record of more liberal beliefs. She ran a very establishment type weak campaign here in CA where I live, plus her problems at HP would absolutely sink her in the general. I live in an area with a lot of HP workers and none have had good things to say about her.

Cruz does seem the most reliable conservative of the group, but even he has problems such as calling for massive increases in legal immigration. The biggest problem with Cruz, as I see it, is that he is unelectable. Maybe that&#039;s harsh but I don&#039;t see someone with only two years in the senate who is not loved by the establishment and who also has a 1950s persona with a grating speaking style winning both the primary and the general.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonawanda-  I like Fiorina&#8217;s speeches, but she has a very cozy relationship with the establishment and has a track record of more liberal beliefs. She ran a very establishment type weak campaign here in CA where I live, plus her problems at HP would absolutely sink her in the general. I live in an area with a lot of HP workers and none have had good things to say about her.</p>
<p>Cruz does seem the most reliable conservative of the group, but even he has problems such as calling for massive increases in legal immigration. The biggest problem with Cruz, as I see it, is that he is unelectable. Maybe that&#8217;s harsh but I don&#8217;t see someone with only two years in the senate who is not loved by the establishment and who also has a 1950s persona with a grating speaking style winning both the primary and the general.</p>
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