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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/06/26/on-the-sixth-anniversary-of-fredhjrs-death/#comment-904690</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Every time Neo pulls up old comment threads like those ones above, I find it ironic reading my own comments back in time.

Like this one Oblio responded to:

http://neoneocon.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93595

&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar, your point has some merit, and I agree with the value statement that people matter most.

So at best, Ymarsakar, I think you have a half-truth, and I continue to share Neo’s sense of outrage over the systematic lying and misrepresentation in the Ayers Affair.&lt;/b&gt;

At the time, I didn&#039;t want to come out in the open and directly say that the fate of such people should be Death. I didn&#039;t want to get flagged nor did I want to &quot;persuade&quot; people that Civil War II was inevitable. Ambiguity thus led people to think I was making the obverse point, a different priority, for people and facts. When in fact, I agreed that facts matter. Facts matter because of the people, when there&#039;s no more Leftists... then the facts will matter even more. Death is a fact and its effectiveness is also a fact, is it not.

http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/18/its-the-free-speech-stupid/#comment-89189

In other threads, it probably looks from the outside that I&#039;m by myself talking about unrelated topics. Everybody else was talking about the election and with the Leftist agents on that thread, I was talking about the 2nd Amendment and &quot;resistance against government&quot;.

Fifth wheel just flying off into space. I saw Hussein&#039;s attack on Joe the Plumber merely as the opening moves of Hussein&#039;s War. There would be more to come. People hadn&#039;t seen anything yet. For the Left&#039;s war had been going on for decades and people didn&#039;t even notice it. If they hadn&#039;t noticed it by then, there was no reason for me to say anything direct about it, they can figure it out if they connect the dots between the lines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time Neo pulls up old comment threads like those ones above, I find it ironic reading my own comments back in time.</p>
<p>Like this one Oblio responded to:</p>
<p><a href="http://neoneocon.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93595" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2008/11/17/airing-ayers/#comment-93595</a></p>
<p><b>Ymarsakar, your point has some merit, and I agree with the value statement that people matter most.</p>
<p>So at best, Ymarsakar, I think you have a half-truth, and I continue to share Neo’s sense of outrage over the systematic lying and misrepresentation in the Ayers Affair.</b></p>
<p>At the time, I didn&#8217;t want to come out in the open and directly say that the fate of such people should be Death. I didn&#8217;t want to get flagged nor did I want to &#8220;persuade&#8221; people that Civil War II was inevitable. Ambiguity thus led people to think I was making the obverse point, a different priority, for people and facts. When in fact, I agreed that facts matter. Facts matter because of the people, when there&#8217;s no more Leftists&#8230; then the facts will matter even more. Death is a fact and its effectiveness is also a fact, is it not.</p>
<p><a href="http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/18/its-the-free-speech-stupid/#comment-89189" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2008/10/18/its-the-free-speech-stupid/#comment-89189</a></p>
<p>In other threads, it probably looks from the outside that I&#8217;m by myself talking about unrelated topics. Everybody else was talking about the election and with the Leftist agents on that thread, I was talking about the 2nd Amendment and &#8220;resistance against government&#8221;.</p>
<p>Fifth wheel just flying off into space. I saw Hussein&#8217;s attack on Joe the Plumber merely as the opening moves of Hussein&#8217;s War. There would be more to come. People hadn&#8217;t seen anything yet. For the Left&#8217;s war had been going on for decades and people didn&#8217;t even notice it. If they hadn&#8217;t noticed it by then, there was no reason for me to say anything direct about it, they can figure it out if they connect the dots between the lines.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/06/26/on-the-sixth-anniversary-of-fredhjrs-death/#comment-904636</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2015 00:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, the Titanic suffered internal leaks because the mass of the ice combined with the ship&#039;s evasion movement, created a &quot;cut&quot; on the side. Even a blunt blade can cut if it is dense enough and fast enough.

If the Titanic had shut down the engines and went no steam ahead, straight on at the ice, they would have bounced off, the steel would have compressed instead of being cut. The angle of the titanic&#039;s bow would have cut through the ice, given the mass and edge angle.

Many people are afraid of the Left&#039;s power to the extent that they don&#039;t want to deal with, they don&#039;t want to see it, they don&#039;t want to talk about it, and they don&#039;t want to recognize the rest of us that do see it for what it is.

They delay, compromise, and BS us to the point where are right up next to the iceberg and can&#039;t dodge it any more. Then instead of going through the ice and relying on our fundamental strength and geometry, they instead order the ship to verve off course, thinking that they got time (after wasting 99% of it).

Humans are pathetic, and they can&#039;t really say that they lack enough time to figure it out. Unlike the Titanic scouts and captains, Western civ has had plenty of time to see this coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Titanic suffered internal leaks because the mass of the ice combined with the ship&#8217;s evasion movement, created a &#8220;cut&#8221; on the side. Even a blunt blade can cut if it is dense enough and fast enough.</p>
<p>If the Titanic had shut down the engines and went no steam ahead, straight on at the ice, they would have bounced off, the steel would have compressed instead of being cut. The angle of the titanic&#8217;s bow would have cut through the ice, given the mass and edge angle.</p>
<p>Many people are afraid of the Left&#8217;s power to the extent that they don&#8217;t want to deal with, they don&#8217;t want to see it, they don&#8217;t want to talk about it, and they don&#8217;t want to recognize the rest of us that do see it for what it is.</p>
<p>They delay, compromise, and BS us to the point where are right up next to the iceberg and can&#8217;t dodge it any more. Then instead of going through the ice and relying on our fundamental strength and geometry, they instead order the ship to verve off course, thinking that they got time (after wasting 99% of it).</p>
<p>Humans are pathetic, and they can&#8217;t really say that they lack enough time to figure it out. Unlike the Titanic scouts and captains, Western civ has had plenty of time to see this coming.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Left’s power and back can only be broken by Death. In that respect, there’s a kind of problem, concerning the logistics, strategy, and tactical decisions in war.&lt;/i&gt;
Yes. We can&#039;t retreat to the mountains anymore given modern technology. Anyways, you&#039;d be surprised how remote the monasteries sacked by the Red Guards in China or by the &lt;a href=&quot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Magyars.&lt;/a&gt;

Implementation of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://time.com/3938050/orthodox-christians-must-now-learn-to-live-as-exiles-in-our-own-country/&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benedict Option&lt;/a&gt; will be difficult.

Prepare, train each and everyday. Blame the voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Left’s power and back can only be broken by Death. In that respect, there’s a kind of problem, concerning the logistics, strategy, and tactical decisions in war.</i><br />
Yes. We can&#8217;t retreat to the mountains anymore given modern technology. Anyways, you&#8217;d be surprised how remote the monasteries sacked by the Red Guards in China or by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_invasions_of_Europe" title="" rel="nofollow">Magyars.</a></p>
<p>Implementation of the <a href="http://time.com/3938050/orthodox-christians-must-now-learn-to-live-as-exiles-in-our-own-country/" title="" rel="nofollow">Benedict Option</a> will be difficult.</p>
<p>Prepare, train each and everyday. Blame the voters.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/06/26/on-the-sixth-anniversary-of-fredhjrs-death/#comment-904538</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2015 06:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;This thing is way bigger than we are and what our minds can comprehend.&lt;/b&gt;

Think of the glacier that sunk the Titanic. The Left appears much like that to the Normals, some foggy piece of ice that can&#039;t harm them in their safe steel house.


The Left&#039;s power and back can only be broken by Death. In that respect, there&#039;s a kind of problem, concerning the logistics, strategy, and tactical decisions in war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>This thing is way bigger than we are and what our minds can comprehend.</b></p>
<p>Think of the glacier that sunk the Titanic. The Left appears much like that to the Normals, some foggy piece of ice that can&#8217;t harm them in their safe steel house.</p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s power and back can only be broken by Death. In that respect, there&#8217;s a kind of problem, concerning the logistics, strategy, and tactical decisions in war.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There is a titanic cosmic battle between the Creator and The Evil One. This thing is way bigger than we are and what our minds can comprehend.&lt;/i&gt;

Hmmm ... He came to sound like some of my deeply religious apostolic friends.
In this world but not of this world.

Problem is, we can&#039;t retreat to the mountains no more ... with modern technology they&#039;d find us in no time .... Sometimes all you can do is fight. Fighting is dirty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is a titanic cosmic battle between the Creator and The Evil One. This thing is way bigger than we are and what our minds can comprehend.</i></p>
<p>Hmmm &#8230; He came to sound like some of my deeply religious apostolic friends.<br />
In this world but not of this world.</p>
<p>Problem is, we can&#8217;t retreat to the mountains no more &#8230; with modern technology they&#8217;d find us in no time &#8230;. Sometimes all you can do is fight. Fighting is dirty.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 17:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl:

Well, Occam&#039;s Beard had no conflict here, as far as I know.

If he left, it was for a different reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl:</p>
<p>Well, Occam&#8217;s Beard had no conflict here, as far as I know.</p>
<p>If he left, it was for a different reason.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/06/26/on-the-sixth-anniversary-of-fredhjrs-death/#comment-904425</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey: &quot;Once we see the inside for ourselves—thanks, Fred—we see we were right.&quot; 

Gotta apply that knowledge in the arena.

Left activists may be all you say, but they are, above all else, zealous competitors with the will to win dominion &quot;by any means necessary&quot;.

And when they win dominion, they will not be absorbed like mongols in China. They cleanse, remake, and &lt;i&gt;replace&lt;/i&gt; for paradigm shift - cultural revolution.

You can be right or even as wrong as you like about them, but to make a difference, you gotta compete in the arena. And the activist game is the only social cultural/political game there is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey: &#8220;Once we see the inside for ourselves—thanks, Fred—we see we were right.&#8221; </p>
<p>Gotta apply that knowledge in the arena.</p>
<p>Left activists may be all you say, but they are, above all else, zealous competitors with the will to win dominion &#8220;by any means necessary&#8221;.</p>
<p>And when they win dominion, they will not be absorbed like mongols in China. They cleanse, remake, and <i>replace</i> for paradigm shift &#8211; cultural revolution.</p>
<p>You can be right or even as wrong as you like about them, but to make a difference, you gotta compete in the arena. And the activist game is the only social cultural/political game there is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[rickl: &quot;I’ve also resolved to comment less here with regard to electoral politics, since I think it’s basically useless now.&quot;

They&#039;re not useless, but they&#039;re not sufficient and they&#039;re not primary factor. 

Activism is the only social cultural/political game there is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rickl: &#8220;I’ve also resolved to comment less here with regard to electoral politics, since I think it’s basically useless now.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not useless, but they&#8217;re not sufficient and they&#8217;re not primary factor. </p>
<p>Activism is the only social cultural/political game there is.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 15:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;DNW&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
June 26th, 2015 at 3:06 pm
&lt;i&gt;“I’ve never been the sunshine on this blog — to say the least — and I’ve been AWOL for some time …”

Don’t feel bad. Your story about that son-of-a-bitch Rorty will live forever. LOL.&lt;/i&gt;

Here:
&lt;i&gt;kolnai&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
June 7th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
DNW -

Story about Rorty.

When I was an undergrad I drove up with some fellow philosophy majors to see him speak at the University of Florida. It was a surprisingly small audience, maybe 30-40 people, with Rorty standing up at the front.

He stood there, stiff as a board, and just straight up read something he’d written, in an extremely snooze-inducing monotone. It was one of the dullest speeches I’d ever heard — basically, “Hear Rorty read Rorty.”

Anyway, after the speech a friend of mine asked him a question about how he would square his dismissal of metaphysics starting with Plato with is pragmatism, which was just a metaphysical conventionalism going back to Protagoras, if not further.

Rorty’s response? “I don’t see any value in talking about Plato.” (or words to that effect — I’m paraphrasing from memory).

Silence.

End of response.

For the record, I can’t stand the Rortyan Style. Everything he writes just makes my skin crawl. Rarely have I had such a visceral negative reaction to a thinker — not Marx, not Merleau-Ponty or Sartre in their execrable apologias for Red Terror, not Schmitt in Full Nazi mode…

I can’t really explain it — it’s like disgust. I just find him to be insufferably smug and, frankly, annoying.

Putnam, by contrast, is a lefty (not sure if he’s a commie or not, though his dad was, I think), but I just love his work. I’ll just say it: I adore Putnam.

What, in fact, is the decisive difference between them, though? I’d just say that it seems to me Putnam, despite his avowals to the contrary, always works within and around the metaphysical tradition, and so at least has some respect for it, or perhaps one could say, is ambivalent about it. Rorty just sort of stuck his tongue out and made a fart noise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>DNW</i> Says:<br />
June 26th, 2015 at 3:06 pm<br />
<i>“I’ve never been the sunshine on this blog — to say the least — and I’ve been AWOL for some time …”</p>
<p>Don’t feel bad. Your story about that son-of-a-bitch Rorty will live forever. LOL.</i></p>
<p>Here:<br />
<i>kolnai</i> Says:<br />
June 7th, 2013 at 5:49 pm<br />
DNW &#8211;</p>
<p>Story about Rorty.</p>
<p>When I was an undergrad I drove up with some fellow philosophy majors to see him speak at the University of Florida. It was a surprisingly small audience, maybe 30-40 people, with Rorty standing up at the front.</p>
<p>He stood there, stiff as a board, and just straight up read something he’d written, in an extremely snooze-inducing monotone. It was one of the dullest speeches I’d ever heard — basically, “Hear Rorty read Rorty.”</p>
<p>Anyway, after the speech a friend of mine asked him a question about how he would square his dismissal of metaphysics starting with Plato with is pragmatism, which was just a metaphysical conventionalism going back to Protagoras, if not further.</p>
<p>Rorty’s response? “I don’t see any value in talking about Plato.” (or words to that effect — I’m paraphrasing from memory).</p>
<p>Silence.</p>
<p>End of response.</p>
<p>For the record, I can’t stand the Rortyan Style. Everything he writes just makes my skin crawl. Rarely have I had such a visceral negative reaction to a thinker — not Marx, not Merleau-Ponty or Sartre in their execrable apologias for Red Terror, not Schmitt in Full Nazi mode…</p>
<p>I can’t really explain it — it’s like disgust. I just find him to be insufferably smug and, frankly, annoying.</p>
<p>Putnam, by contrast, is a lefty (not sure if he’s a commie or not, though his dad was, I think), but I just love his work. I’ll just say it: I adore Putnam.</p>
<p>What, in fact, is the decisive difference between them, though? I’d just say that it seems to me Putnam, despite his avowals to the contrary, always works within and around the metaphysical tradition, and so at least has some respect for it, or perhaps one could say, is ambivalent about it. Rorty just sort of stuck his tongue out and made a fart noise.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2015 14:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

Thanks for the nice recollections.  I, too, find it hard to believe he&#039;s been gone 6 years.  His wisdom is sorely missed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>Thanks for the nice recollections.  I, too, find it hard to believe he&#8217;s been gone 6 years.  His wisdom is sorely missed.</p>
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