rickl, i am not familiar with it enough to give you a cogent truthful answer… other than she is describing a facet of whats been going on for nearly 100 years since the soviet revolution, but most such trophs stop short of actually tracing things back beyond the surface characters they discuss. whether she does that or not, i do not know…

ok..
i just took some time to read about what its about and so on.. she is trying to write the popular version of what others been writing since the 1960s and 1970s (and in the case of feminism and stuff, before that)

this is what jonah did with “liberal fascism”, took tons of stuff that are out there in books people wont read (like the ones i recommend) and condense it to a cliff notes concept,which plays careful on where they step and how they step.

here is a quote from a brightbart article:

Contrary to the complacent myths of the establishment, the United States and other Western democracies have not won the Cold War. Of course, on the simplistic view of it as a purely military confrontation between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the former can claim a formal victory simply by having survived its adversary.

Contrary to the complacent myths of the establishment, the United States and other Western democracies have not won the Cold War. Of course, on the simplistic view of it as a purely military confrontation between NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the former can claim a formal victory simply by having survived its adversary.

she is writing that in 2013-2014 and breitbart is paraphrasing her and that concept.

but Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa and Anatoliy Golitsyn been discussing that since they defected in the 1970s… and they are in a much better position to talk about this stuff than she is!!!!!!!

this thesis is best laid out by Golitsyn in New lies for old (among others books). the soviets were so upset of his knowlege and stuff they sent a second defector to de defect the defector (Nosenko), who spouted what the agencies wanted to hear, and so they sided with that, and not the other, marginalizing Golitsyn.

though not much of anything nosenko came to pass, while Golitsyn from the 1960s and 1970s laid out theplan of deception and the collaps, and the fall of the berlin wall and the conceptuals of the ideas…

these others also laid out the use of islam, and are confounded in their confessions by western liberals iether on the side of the soviets OR being paid by them in many ways, including success and protection..

Mark Riebling stated that of 194 predictions made in New Lies For Old, 139 had been fulfilled by 1993, 9 seemed ‘clearly wrong’, and the other 46 were ‘not soon falsifiable’.

The 1996 American film Mission: Impossible featured a fictionalized character based on Anatoliy Golitsyn named Alexander Golitsyn, played by actor Marcel Iures.

Golitsyn’s views are echoed by Czech dissident and politician Petr Cibulka, who has alleged that the 1989 Velvet Revolution in Czechoslovakia was staged by the communist StB secret police

so there is tons of information and predictions that can be confirmed or not, many of them as long as 30 years before the events happened, showing a 100 year plus “cathedral plan” as to taking things over.

the reason this went this way is that once you had nuclear weapons, the only way to win a war is by internal betrayal and remolding of the body politic.

in an open society where peopel think protecting yourself is tin hat, and so on, well, they let it happen. but i dont think they will wait for converstion, at some point they always jump the gun, and will want to fight believing as they alwyas do that the US cant do so…

this time they may be right though…

not that we dicuss any of this here…
we do just the same as everyone else on this information, and just ignore it, pretending that if we have our heads up our arses things are gonna be just fine…

Apologies if you’ve discussed it before and I missed it.

That should and would be a better advertisement billboard than the claim that the Left has too much hate.

On a prior topic, there’s a lot of enmity in the US right now, but I don’t consider it hate because hate is when you see Leftist death squads kill people you’ve spent years protecting and raising. Other people can intellectually think of it as hate, but it’s an abstract concept when it doesn’t happen to them.

What the Left has for the most part is second hand orders to be disgusted by people, on the made up proclamations that conservatives did horrible things to Leftists. But this never actually happens as often as the Left needs, so the Leftists have their hate second source. It does not burn as purely or as strongly, because it’s an intellectual pass me down from their Authorities. It’s not something that comes from their own heart. It’s often their own pain being projected on other people, sadism. Enmity. Hostility.

True hate has a different personal flavor to the people involved. It is much more personal, less abstract.

I have a theory that most of the converts convinced by the words of Peter the Apostle would not have been attracted to the words of Saul of Tarsus, or vice versa. Prager is more akin to Peter; Horowitz to Saul.

Unlike you, I believe folks like neo-neocon and Dennis Prager still deserve credit and praise. Most people go through life with insufficient introspection of their “beliefs” and even fewer are mature and courageous enough to admit when they were wrong. Neo-neocon and Dennis Prager not only admit they were wrong, they actively campaign to convert others to the Truth.

Oh, and righteousness, in the course of sponsoring human, civil, environmental, and evolutionary corruption. Who wouldn’t want to join their cult?

Secular opiates, including: debt (presented as wealth), pleasure, and leisure; and dissociation of risk (e.g. sacrificial rites, immigration amnesty, pro-choice or selective principles, etc.). They offer minority men and women an opportunity to become the leaders they left behind. They offer unscrupulous capitalists an opportunity to exploit the environment and labor through shifting, importing, and obfuscation. They compensate for the consequences of their converged migration and immigration policies through financing and redistributive change (e.g. welfare). They offer national insurance with reduced local liability. They selectively include/exclude trans and hetero behaviors. They preach a “secular” faith in lieu of Judaeo-Christian faith that promises secular returns and absolution.

The very idea that the Soviet Union was defeated is disinformation in itself. The Soviet Union changed its name and dropped its faé§ade of Marxism, but it remained the samesamoderzhaviye, the historical Russian form of autocracy in which a tsar is running the country with the help of his political police…Russia today is the first intelligence dictatorship in history. It is a brand new form of totalitarianism, which we are not yet familiar with. Now the KGB, rechristened FSB, is openly running Russia

[and given obama and clinton dealing with them, what does it mean in terms of them running the US?]

“Is it too far-fetched to suggest that this post-Cold War Russia calls up the hypothetical image of a postwar Germany being run by former Gestapo officers, who reinstate Hitler’s “Deutschland éœber Alles” as national anthem, call the demise of Nazi Germany a “national tragedy on an enormous scale,” and invade a neighboring country, perhaps Poland, the way Hitler set off World War II?”

[ok, so it was the Ukraine not poland… but then again, it was said over 20 years ago]

”Perhaps our book may also help President Obama abandon his craving for Marx’s utopian ideology, “to each according to his need,” which is transforming the United States into a decaying socialist country in all but name.”

[prager has not yet grasped what he was a part of and may never grasp or admit that he was a part of it… the its not my fault i didnt know – ignorance as defense. but you dont learn from ignroance much, do you? or studying them, as they dont know nuttin’]

The absolutely worst–and often irreparable–damage done to the Free World has been caused by the Kremlin’s disinformation operations designed to change the past…In 1978, when I broke with communism, I left in my office safe a slip of paper on which Gen. Sakharovsky had scrawled: “Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo.” (A drop makes a hole in a stone not by force but by constant dripping.) That Latin saying, Sakharovsky explained, encapsulated the whole concept of disinformation and framing. Lying next to it was Mao Zedong’s version: “A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth.”

”Both the framing of the pope and the threat of international terrorism were born at the Lubyanka, the headquarters of the KGB. Both grew out of the Kremlin’s anti-Semitism and its addiction to framing people and countries. And both were intended to slander and undermine the faith of the Judeo-Christian world, while at the same time driving a wedge between Jews and Christians.

”In 1972, during a breakfast in his office, KGB chairman Andropov told me that “our” disinformation machinery should ignite a campaign aimed at transforming Arab anti-Semitism into an anti-American doctrine for the whole Muslim world. The idea was to portray the United States as a war-mongering, Zionist country financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious “Council of the Elders of Zion” (the KGB’s derisive epithet for the U.S. Congress), the aim of which was to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. Andropov made the point that one billion adversaries could cause far greater damage than could a mere 150 million.
The KGB boss described the Muslim world as a waiting Petri dish, in which we could nurture a strain of hate-America. The Muslims had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a war-mongering, Zionist country financed by Jewish money, with the goal of taking over the whole world.

[not like knowing this in the 80s was important, eh? today we dont even talk or discuss that they did this, defectors told us, and we spend most of the time discussing the disinformation that is not real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

“The Cold War is indeed over, but, unlike other wars, that one did not end with the defeated enemy throwing down his weapons. In spite of the press coverage given to its nuclear competition, the Cold War was in fact waged primarily for the purpose of conquering minds, and it seems that the loser’s mindset cannot be changed from one day to the next…”

“But for those of us who once led the Soviet bloc intelligence community, glasnost was a dezinformatsiya [disinformation] instrument used to embellish the stature of a leader, not a catchword for openness, as it has lately become known to the rest of the world. Glasnost was not invented by Gorbachev and it does not mean openness. Glasnost is an old Russian term for polishing the ruler’s image.

In the mid 1930s–half a century before Gorbachev’s glasnost–the official Soviet encyclopedia defined the word glasnost as a spin on news released to the public: “Dostupnost obshchestvennomy obsuzhdeniyu, kontrolyu; publichnost,” meaning, the quality of being made available for public discussion or control. In other words, glasnost meant, literally, publicizing, i.e., self-promotion.

[better to help them and discuss the lie that it is, and help it work, than study them and not help them. right? are you going to get off the bus and stop helping them by discussing their disnformation as if it wasnt that? how many here discuss lies as if it was truth cause they dont care about the truth, they care about the lie they believe in and will defend (while living in ahouse of mirros they dont even know theya re in)]

“During the Cold War, disinformation and glasnost were a lot more important for the KGB community than stealing secrets…Classical espionage, like picking pockets, was an accumulation of one-time thefts. Our disinformation and glasnost techniques, on the other hand, were a continuous process, conceived to invade people’s minds and consciences and there to put down roots. That was the future. That was going to open up a whole new era in the history of communist foreign intelligence.”

[maybe thats why i cant wake anyone up to the fact they are pretending lies are the truth as the roots go deep and they dont care to know they have been tricked. better to go on with the lie and feel ok, than address the lie and have to reform your ideas]

“Our ‘Ares’ turned America against her own government,” Andropov started off in his soft voice. It damaged America’s foreign policy consensus, poisoned her domestic debate, and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion that was wide and deep. Now all we had to do was to continue planting the seeds of “Ares” and water them day after day after day. Eventually, American leftists would seize upon our “Ares” and would start pursuing it of their own accord. In the end, our original involvement would be forgotten, and “Ares” would take on a life of its own. That was how human nature worked, Andropov explained. Our “Ares” would change America forever.”

[does anyone commenting on the vietnam war, hanoi jane, the feminists walking across the DMZ, etc… includ ARES? of course not. why discuss facts when the lies are now the facts?]

The KGB flooded the world with copies of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” ”During the almost two decades that I continued to remain in Romania, our intelligence community disseminated several million Protocols–translated into German, English, French and Arabic–to leftist organizations around the world, to mosques, and to countless people whose names were randomly selected from telephone books.

This information puts an entirely different perspective upon the current state of world affairs and, if true, indicates just how effective the KGB and Soviet machinery were in shaping the dialogue and world tensions.

a HUGE Amount of the problems, issues and beliefs were from the Kremlin.. who has no managed to keepo their nuclear weapons violating a 28 year old treaty from day one, get the US to give up its protections, get the leader to ask israel to give up their nukes, are about to fight china in a war over japanese islands, is about to fight russia over nato and baltics, has communists in office in the US from blaso and his cuban honeymoon, to Obama/Ayers/ etc who were born out of the “Ares” games and more

anyone care to discuss the truth?
i am getting bored of discussing the lies, disinformation, and bs..

after all, if you think you can get out of the mental prison that has been created and you live in by eating the food they give your mind without knowing what is real and what is fake, you will get out… NEVER…