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		By: G6loq		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Gary&lt;/i&gt; Says: 
May 13th, 2015 at 12:57 pm
“Sabrina Rubin Erdely, the investigative journalist who wrote the explosive account of sexual assault on the campus in Charlottesville.”..

Did a cursory Googling look into that critter.
 &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/another-rolling-stone-rape-article-has-major-holes-291257&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A nasty piece of work she is&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;“Billy Doe” is the pseudonym for a former altar boy from Philadelphia who claimed he was raped at St. Jerome Parish by two priests and a Catholic schoolteacher....
Sabrina Rubin Erdely, a contributing editor for Rolling Stone, wrote both stories....
...There’s more. When she wrote her story, Erdely quoted from the church’s “secret archive files” that documented sexual abuse in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia over four decades. The files, pried loose with search warrants, documented the crimes of 169 priests, who raped and abused hundreds of children.
But those files contradict Billy’s story...
Engelhardt, died in prison on November 15, a couple weeks after his lawyers were in appeals court, arguing that he deserved a new trial. The priest, according to his superior, Father James J. Greenfield, spent his last hours handcuffed to a hospital bed guarded by two armed corrections officers....&lt;/i&gt; Claiming his innocence.
&lt;b&gt;Nice.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gary</i> Says:<br />
May 13th, 2015 at 12:57 pm<br />
“Sabrina Rubin Erdely, the investigative journalist who wrote the explosive account of sexual assault on the campus in Charlottesville.”..</p>
<p>Did a cursory Googling look into that critter.<br />
 <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/another-rolling-stone-rape-article-has-major-holes-291257" title="" rel="nofollow">A nasty piece of work she is</a>:<br />
<i>“Billy Doe” is the pseudonym for a former altar boy from Philadelphia who claimed he was raped at St. Jerome Parish by two priests and a Catholic schoolteacher&#8230;.<br />
Sabrina Rubin Erdely, a contributing editor for Rolling Stone, wrote both stories&#8230;.<br />
&#8230;There’s more. When she wrote her story, Erdely quoted from the church’s “secret archive files” that documented sexual abuse in the Archdiocese of Philadelphia over four decades. The files, pried loose with search warrants, documented the crimes of 169 priests, who raped and abused hundreds of children.<br />
But those files contradict Billy’s story&#8230;<br />
Engelhardt, died in prison on November 15, a couple weeks after his lawyers were in appeals court, arguing that he deserved a new trial. The priest, according to his superior, Father James J. Greenfield, spent his last hours handcuffed to a hospital bed guarded by two armed corrections officers&#8230;.</i> Claiming his innocence.<br />
<b>Nice.</b></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2015 02:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Imposing single-sex dorms again, as “liberticidal” as it sounds at first, might be the least bad solution.&lt;/b&gt;

The Left is the problem. So long as the Left isn&#039;t killed, there are no such things as &quot;solutions&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Imposing single-sex dorms again, as “liberticidal” as it sounds at first, might be the least bad solution.</b></p>
<p>The Left is the problem. So long as the Left isn&#8217;t killed, there are no such things as &#8220;solutions&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2015 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The indoctrination was successful. If they failed, they failed to make their good intentions into good results. They succeeded at doing what they set out to do, indoctrinate a whole new generation in Speaking Power to Truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The indoctrination was successful. If they failed, they failed to make their good intentions into good results. They succeeded at doing what they set out to do, indoctrinate a whole new generation in Speaking Power to Truth.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 16:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anna:

You are absolutely correct that parents, and teachers and the educational system, as well as adult society as a whole have failed the college age kids---failed to teach them, failed to set examples, and knuckled under to their demands (or earlier generations&#039; demands) to throw out the rules that would have helped to keep them safe during those vulnerable years.

At some point, though, it has to be pointed out to them that what goes along with freedom is responsibility. The &quot;them&quot; in that sentence is just about everybody.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna:</p>
<p>You are absolutely correct that parents, and teachers and the educational system, as well as adult society as a whole have failed the college age kids&#8212;failed to teach them, failed to set examples, and knuckled under to their demands (or earlier generations&#8217; demands) to throw out the rules that would have helped to keep them safe during those vulnerable years.</p>
<p>At some point, though, it has to be pointed out to them that what goes along with freedom is responsibility. The &#8220;them&#8221; in that sentence is just about everybody.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 15:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A post mentioned this issue of separate police forces a couple of days ago on the blog Second City Cop.  They complained that the various crime stats of colleges and universities were not recorded as part of the City total which distorts the true picture of Chicago crime.

Props to the campus cops though - they work with a lot of the same criminal element that the regular cops do since there are no walls between the universities and the rest of the City.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A post mentioned this issue of separate police forces a couple of days ago on the blog Second City Cop.  They complained that the various crime stats of colleges and universities were not recorded as part of the City total which distorts the true picture of Chicago crime.</p>
<p>Props to the campus cops though &#8211; they work with a lot of the same criminal element that the regular cops do since there are no walls between the universities and the rest of the City.</p>
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		By: Anna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 14:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

In principle I agree, but keep in mind also that they simply got stuck inside a system that had *already* changed the rules by the time they came, without them personally having &quot;asked&quot; for anything. Now they find it impossible to advocate going back to previous regulations, as any such voices are actively contrasted from all sides in the name of the current ideology (which is attempting to bring the whole of society, not only dorms, to the state of practical sexual indifferentiation).

Most of those kids have very little by way of *personal* blame for how things are. They inherited a certain system, for the good and for the bad, and they have limited resources and energies for opposing it in the name of future good. Most of them have woefully underdeveloped intellectual defenses against the kind of propaganda they are exposed to - some of that is normal, in function of age, but some of that is a direct result of the fact that they were cheated out of a &quot;real&quot; education before college. Even from a European point of view - and things ARE bad here - most American colleges at the undergrad level look like remedial institutions. 

So between the disproportionate political activism and non-academic social focus (sports culture etc.), being away from home probably for the first time and trying out the pseudo-independence of those isolated campus bubbles, being of an already &quot;problematic&quot; age and not being educated properly at that, they are LOST - lost as to who they are, what they want, and what is good for them. All of the would-be reference adults have hypocritically abandoned them in the name of that &quot;independence&quot;, and then when things go wrong they react with GLEE and belated moralisms of &quot;them spoiled brats who now got what they asked for&quot;. The hypocrisy lies not only with the kids, although their choices are certainly a part of the problem.

For us it was different, but there is something very different in the air in most Western European countries. I cannot really put my finger on it, but for some reason the attempted infantilization of the college-age young people does not really work (yet). There is no analogous campus culture, and I think that is the primary difference - the lack of isolation inside a little bubble, the fact that college-age students live normally integrated in the larger city, so as a consequence there is no &quot;paralegal&quot; campus system to deal with - but there is also something to be said about a stronger intellectual culture which allows for better defenses.

I ended up writing an essay again instead of a short response :D, but I think it is misguided to attribute all of the fault for the present mess (not saying you are doing this, but in general) to their half-informed choices without considering these additional factors. Also, it really is a dangerous age, it just manifests differently with different people, and the more objectively I can look at it - with a distance of a couple of years - the more it seems to me that in a campus setting they really need adults to put their foot down as regards basic safety and propriety, BECAUSE they are so isolated from any real life and prone to underestimating the consequences of their behaviors. Imposing single-sex dorms again, as &quot;liberticidal&quot; as it sounds at first, might be the least bad solution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>In principle I agree, but keep in mind also that they simply got stuck inside a system that had *already* changed the rules by the time they came, without them personally having &#8220;asked&#8221; for anything. Now they find it impossible to advocate going back to previous regulations, as any such voices are actively contrasted from all sides in the name of the current ideology (which is attempting to bring the whole of society, not only dorms, to the state of practical sexual indifferentiation).</p>
<p>Most of those kids have very little by way of *personal* blame for how things are. They inherited a certain system, for the good and for the bad, and they have limited resources and energies for opposing it in the name of future good. Most of them have woefully underdeveloped intellectual defenses against the kind of propaganda they are exposed to &#8211; some of that is normal, in function of age, but some of that is a direct result of the fact that they were cheated out of a &#8220;real&#8221; education before college. Even from a European point of view &#8211; and things ARE bad here &#8211; most American colleges at the undergrad level look like remedial institutions. </p>
<p>So between the disproportionate political activism and non-academic social focus (sports culture etc.), being away from home probably for the first time and trying out the pseudo-independence of those isolated campus bubbles, being of an already &#8220;problematic&#8221; age and not being educated properly at that, they are LOST &#8211; lost as to who they are, what they want, and what is good for them. All of the would-be reference adults have hypocritically abandoned them in the name of that &#8220;independence&#8221;, and then when things go wrong they react with GLEE and belated moralisms of &#8220;them spoiled brats who now got what they asked for&#8221;. The hypocrisy lies not only with the kids, although their choices are certainly a part of the problem.</p>
<p>For us it was different, but there is something very different in the air in most Western European countries. I cannot really put my finger on it, but for some reason the attempted infantilization of the college-age young people does not really work (yet). There is no analogous campus culture, and I think that is the primary difference &#8211; the lack of isolation inside a little bubble, the fact that college-age students live normally integrated in the larger city, so as a consequence there is no &#8220;paralegal&#8221; campus system to deal with &#8211; but there is also something to be said about a stronger intellectual culture which allows for better defenses.</p>
<p>I ended up writing an essay again instead of a short response :D, but I think it is misguided to attribute all of the fault for the present mess (not saying you are doing this, but in general) to their half-informed choices without considering these additional factors. Also, it really is a dangerous age, it just manifests differently with different people, and the more objectively I can look at it &#8211; with a distance of a couple of years &#8211; the more it seems to me that in a campus setting they really need adults to put their foot down as regards basic safety and propriety, BECAUSE they are so isolated from any real life and prone to underestimating the consequences of their behaviors. Imposing single-sex dorms again, as &#8220;liberticidal&#8221; as it sounds at first, might be the least bad solution.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 13:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I’m pointing out that if students want it and get it, they are hypocritical and contradictory to ask for protection from it.&lt;/b&gt;

If they weren&#039;t the ones who wrote the rules, merely the ones who inherited this current state of rules from the Left, then that would make them slaves who thought they were free. Thus I&#039;m not sure if it can be said that they wanted it. They would have had to know what they wanted to begin with, and usually that&#039;s not something slaves are asked for nor are they allowed to pursue their wishes.

This network of contradictions is much like a Gordian Knot. It is a device of the Left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I’m pointing out that if students want it and get it, they are hypocritical and contradictory to ask for protection from it.</b></p>
<p>If they weren&#8217;t the ones who wrote the rules, merely the ones who inherited this current state of rules from the Left, then that would make them slaves who thought they were free. Thus I&#8217;m not sure if it can be said that they wanted it. They would have had to know what they wanted to begin with, and usually that&#8217;s not something slaves are asked for nor are they allowed to pursue their wishes.</p>
<p>This network of contradictions is much like a Gordian Knot. It is a device of the Left.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2015 02:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[frank:

You misunderstand my point.

I&#039;m not &lt;i&gt;advocating&lt;/i&gt; complete freedom.  I&#039;m pointing out that if students want it and get it, they are hypocritical and contradictory to ask for protection from it.  In other words, if you can&#039;t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, but if you demand heat, be ready to protect &lt;i&gt;yourself&lt;/i&gt; against it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frank:</p>
<p>You misunderstand my point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not <i>advocating</i> complete freedom.  I&#8217;m pointing out that if students want it and get it, they are hypocritical and contradictory to ask for protection from it.  In other words, if you can&#8217;t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, but if you demand heat, be ready to protect <i>yourself</i> against it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 22:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Suing, the lawsuit, only benefits the Left.

Who pays the damages? And who gets the money? The Left gets the money, for the most part.

The idea that lawyers or courts or the lawsuit, can sue back damages and thus deter the Left, when the Left is getting the money from the damages, is rather naive an idea.

If the suit fails, the Left wins via university power. If the suit succeeds, lawyers gain a tighter grip and can fund more operations using the money. The Left wins. The Left&#039;s strategy is far greater than the myopic attempts of the peons in resistance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suing, the lawsuit, only benefits the Left.</p>
<p>Who pays the damages? And who gets the money? The Left gets the money, for the most part.</p>
<p>The idea that lawyers or courts or the lawsuit, can sue back damages and thus deter the Left, when the Left is getting the money from the damages, is rather naive an idea.</p>
<p>If the suit fails, the Left wins via university power. If the suit succeeds, lawyers gain a tighter grip and can fund more operations using the money. The Left wins. The Left&#8217;s strategy is far greater than the myopic attempts of the peons in resistance.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2015 15:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I had a son, I would HIGHLY recommend to him that he: A) Not go to college and consider instead a nice respectable career as a plumber or an electrician; B) If he insisted on going to college, I would HIGHLY recommend that he not sleep with ANY body at all, and avoid being alone with anyone. And have him watch &quot;Oleanna&quot; over and over and over again...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had a son, I would HIGHLY recommend to him that he: A) Not go to college and consider instead a nice respectable career as a plumber or an electrician; B) If he insisted on going to college, I would HIGHLY recommend that he not sleep with ANY body at all, and avoid being alone with anyone. And have him watch &#8220;Oleanna&#8221; over and over and over again&#8230;</p>
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