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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are we supposed to take their words at face value? So when Islamic Jihad says Islam is peace and that they are peaceful, we take at face value their &quot;good intentions&quot;. Of what purpose or benefit does that serve?

If the Left and Islam says they will kill you and then they actually go out and kill someone, that has weight to it. But the mere words people espouse about their own intentions have little weight to them in and of itself.

When the Left shows by their words and actions that they are innocent, does that mean they won&#039;t ever push the security button to let the death squads in the door? What matters are their actions, not the words they use to cover up their intentions. Nor does it matter what their intentions are, what matters is what they actually do and how their behavior fits into the predictive models. A model using good intentions and the previous words of people to  gauge their danger levels is not going to be able to handle things. Humans are fickle, they can decide at any time to obey evil, and they already have.

In the past it was difficult to obtain relevant examples of people obeying death squads or providing information detrimental to American patriots. The IRS changed that. The Texas shootings changed that. But even then, there were plenty of examples before then. They just weren&#039;t relevant to the people who obtained the &quot;good intentions&quot; of the Left from their friendly neighborhood association of families. They just weren&#039;t relevant to the people who obtained their good impression of homos and Islamos from their friendly neighborhood proto Gaystapo and Islamic Muslim &quot;free speech&quot; good intentioned &quot;Americans&quot;.

Since a good intentioned Muslim can obey the evil of Islam at any moment, what does it matter whether GB says their intentions are good or not? What does it matter if the Left says their intentions are good or not? It doesn&#039;t even matter what their intentions are.

Homos had good intentions? Maybe. Until the Gaystapo told them to find the heretics and make them pay. Then those good intentions kind of evaporated. Funny enough that&#039;s the reality people don&#039;t want to deal with. They keep making excuses that they couldn&#039;t predict it ahead of time. Obviously you can&#039;t predict anything by relying on people&#039;s proclaimed good intent.

That&#039;s what happens when people place an overly high importance on reading intentions. Being right doesn&#039;t mean they can deal with what people do.

Public officials and individuals like Clinton are much easier to read. Their profiling is much more useful and calculating the intent or not of Hussein may or may not be useful. But I avoid the claim that Hussein had good or bad intentions. Evil isn&#039;t about intent. Whether Hussein destroys the US or not, is an element of fate, it is not an element of what people intend to do. But if it helps people understand that someone is evil by convincing them that they intended it, there is plenty of evidence to support that as well if needed. But the proof of evil does not require intent. Obedience to evil does not require bad or good intentions. 

A so called American can claim to be for free speech and still be against Palin and Geller. Hypocrisy is not the point in this context, the point is that their actions matter more than what they say.

If the predicton is correct that Leftists obey evil, then until someone with &quot;good intentions&quot; refuses to obey the Left, what does it matter what people think that intention is? Once they refuse to obey the Left, they stop being a Leftist. Of course there are people who fall from the Circle and try to get back in, I&#039;m sure their good intentions will not save them from the fire or from the guilt. Getting back into the den of evil after they threw a person out, is that person good or bad? Good intentioned or bad intentioned? I&#039;m not sure it matters and in fact there&#039;s a lot of arguments I use to demonstrate that it matters not.

When humans are under Authority, what they will do is based on the orders they get from that Authority. There&#039;s no such thing as free will there in the enemy. That&#039;s not what we are dealing with here. If they are told to give up the locations of Tea Party patriots to the death squads, the Left will. And it does not matter whether people like to differentiate them into &quot;innocent&quot; ignorant savages with good intentions or whether they want to differentiate them into the elite priest leadership cadre of the Clintons and Messiah Husseins. One may give the orders and the other obeys, but both are guilty. Merely because one party has more guilt, does not exonerate the other parties involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we supposed to take their words at face value? So when Islamic Jihad says Islam is peace and that they are peaceful, we take at face value their &#8220;good intentions&#8221;. Of what purpose or benefit does that serve?</p>
<p>If the Left and Islam says they will kill you and then they actually go out and kill someone, that has weight to it. But the mere words people espouse about their own intentions have little weight to them in and of itself.</p>
<p>When the Left shows by their words and actions that they are innocent, does that mean they won&#8217;t ever push the security button to let the death squads in the door? What matters are their actions, not the words they use to cover up their intentions. Nor does it matter what their intentions are, what matters is what they actually do and how their behavior fits into the predictive models. A model using good intentions and the previous words of people to  gauge their danger levels is not going to be able to handle things. Humans are fickle, they can decide at any time to obey evil, and they already have.</p>
<p>In the past it was difficult to obtain relevant examples of people obeying death squads or providing information detrimental to American patriots. The IRS changed that. The Texas shootings changed that. But even then, there were plenty of examples before then. They just weren&#8217;t relevant to the people who obtained the &#8220;good intentions&#8221; of the Left from their friendly neighborhood association of families. They just weren&#8217;t relevant to the people who obtained their good impression of homos and Islamos from their friendly neighborhood proto Gaystapo and Islamic Muslim &#8220;free speech&#8221; good intentioned &#8220;Americans&#8221;.</p>
<p>Since a good intentioned Muslim can obey the evil of Islam at any moment, what does it matter whether GB says their intentions are good or not? What does it matter if the Left says their intentions are good or not? It doesn&#8217;t even matter what their intentions are.</p>
<p>Homos had good intentions? Maybe. Until the Gaystapo told them to find the heretics and make them pay. Then those good intentions kind of evaporated. Funny enough that&#8217;s the reality people don&#8217;t want to deal with. They keep making excuses that they couldn&#8217;t predict it ahead of time. Obviously you can&#8217;t predict anything by relying on people&#8217;s proclaimed good intent.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when people place an overly high importance on reading intentions. Being right doesn&#8217;t mean they can deal with what people do.</p>
<p>Public officials and individuals like Clinton are much easier to read. Their profiling is much more useful and calculating the intent or not of Hussein may or may not be useful. But I avoid the claim that Hussein had good or bad intentions. Evil isn&#8217;t about intent. Whether Hussein destroys the US or not, is an element of fate, it is not an element of what people intend to do. But if it helps people understand that someone is evil by convincing them that they intended it, there is plenty of evidence to support that as well if needed. But the proof of evil does not require intent. Obedience to evil does not require bad or good intentions. </p>
<p>A so called American can claim to be for free speech and still be against Palin and Geller. Hypocrisy is not the point in this context, the point is that their actions matter more than what they say.</p>
<p>If the predicton is correct that Leftists obey evil, then until someone with &#8220;good intentions&#8221; refuses to obey the Left, what does it matter what people think that intention is? Once they refuse to obey the Left, they stop being a Leftist. Of course there are people who fall from the Circle and try to get back in, I&#8217;m sure their good intentions will not save them from the fire or from the guilt. Getting back into the den of evil after they threw a person out, is that person good or bad? Good intentioned or bad intentioned? I&#8217;m not sure it matters and in fact there&#8217;s a lot of arguments I use to demonstrate that it matters not.</p>
<p>When humans are under Authority, what they will do is based on the orders they get from that Authority. There&#8217;s no such thing as free will there in the enemy. That&#8217;s not what we are dealing with here. If they are told to give up the locations of Tea Party patriots to the death squads, the Left will. And it does not matter whether people like to differentiate them into &#8220;innocent&#8221; ignorant savages with good intentions or whether they want to differentiate them into the elite priest leadership cadre of the Clintons and Messiah Husseins. One may give the orders and the other obeys, but both are guilty. Merely because one party has more guilt, does not exonerate the other parties involved.</p>
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		By: G6loq		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892196</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2015 00:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a direct response to the mass murder of people at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo last January, Norway has abolished its blasphemy laws. This is a development of sheer magnificence!
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.samizdata.net/2015/05/bravo-norway/#comments&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bravo Norway!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a direct response to the mass murder of people at the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo last January, Norway has abolished its blasphemy laws. This is a development of sheer magnificence!<br />
<a href="http://www.samizdata.net/2015/05/bravo-norway/#comments" title="" rel="nofollow"><b>Bravo Norway!</b></a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892179</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A profiler or interrogator that tries to take random samplings of what people say and then use that as a way to judge the expressions, lies, and emotional reactions of the subject in front of them, isn&#039;t conducting any kind of professional operation.

It may be a scientific study, but the results will be less practical and far too abstract to be of immediate use.

Of course the reverse may also be true, where anyone who interviews a single family member then somehow thinks they have the Skeleton key to unlock the psychological secrets of everybody else on this planet.

In the end, the proof is in the prediction and the percentage of accuracy. I told people that the Left obeys authority and that all of them would have little trouble obeying the Death Squads or giving those extermination groups the locations of American patriots. GB talked about people being innocent because they are ignorant. As the US authorities care about ignorance as being a defense in crimes. But even if they do, it doesn&#039;t change the highly inaccurate portrayals and theories presented by the &quot;we know they are ignorant of this&quot; line of theorizing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A profiler or interrogator that tries to take random samplings of what people say and then use that as a way to judge the expressions, lies, and emotional reactions of the subject in front of them, isn&#8217;t conducting any kind of professional operation.</p>
<p>It may be a scientific study, but the results will be less practical and far too abstract to be of immediate use.</p>
<p>Of course the reverse may also be true, where anyone who interviews a single family member then somehow thinks they have the Skeleton key to unlock the psychological secrets of everybody else on this planet.</p>
<p>In the end, the proof is in the prediction and the percentage of accuracy. I told people that the Left obeys authority and that all of them would have little trouble obeying the Death Squads or giving those extermination groups the locations of American patriots. GB talked about people being innocent because they are ignorant. As the US authorities care about ignorance as being a defense in crimes. But even if they do, it doesn&#8217;t change the highly inaccurate portrayals and theories presented by the &#8220;we know they are ignorant of this&#8221; line of theorizing.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892099</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 15:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When liberals and progressives express their beliefs and thoughts, as they incessantly do, and when we witness what they do as being congruent with those expressed beliefs, we may reasonably conclude as to their motivations. 

No one can &#039;know&#039; the majority, so conclusions based on an inadequate polling sample are unavoidable, not to mention the notoriously questionable &#039;accuracy&#039; of polls, determined by what they ask and especially what they do not ask. The qualifier is that our conclusions must be open to revision when new information commands it. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Benjamin Franklin 

Put another way; &lt;i&gt;&quot;One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the [true and rare] scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits... To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority. &quot;&lt;/i&gt; Robert Heinlein  

Who can make &#039;accurate&#039; predictions about the present or future? I&#039;m unaware of this &#039;Cassandra&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When liberals and progressives express their beliefs and thoughts, as they incessantly do, and when we witness what they do as being congruent with those expressed beliefs, we may reasonably conclude as to their motivations. </p>
<p>No one can &#8216;know&#8217; the majority, so conclusions based on an inadequate polling sample are unavoidable, not to mention the notoriously questionable &#8216;accuracy&#8217; of polls, determined by what they ask and especially what they do not ask. The qualifier is that our conclusions must be open to revision when new information commands it. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise.&#8221;</i> Benjamin Franklin </p>
<p>Put another way; <i>&#8220;One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the [true and rare] scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits&#8230; To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority. &#8220;</i> Robert Heinlein  </p>
<p>Who can make &#8216;accurate&#8217; predictions about the present or future? I&#8217;m unaware of this &#8216;Cassandra&#8217;.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892085</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 15:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;That doesn’t mean that I think they SHOULD say and do what they do, or that they are outside the bounds of public criticism. With freedom comes responsibility. I suppose there are those that would call this a “yes but” defense. So be it.&lt;/b&gt;

I would call that freedom of conscience. It&#039;s what the bakers and florists wished they still had in so called America.

The Left though, when you refuse to obey them, they will get you. They will set you up. They will stab you in the back. They&#039;ll get the government to use Power to break you. That is the Left.

So Geller doesn&#039;t want to kill her conscience merely for the fear the Islamic Jihad brings. And neither do a lot of Americans want to live under a Gaystapo, killing their conscience so that they Obey the Left&#039;s Authority.

The Left thinks disagreement is wrong, that it is evil, that it means you are a sub human who can&#039;t love.

&lt;b&gt;Good times … when lefties used to say that.&lt;/b&gt;

Those disgusting turds used to say that a lot in the Iraq war debate, perhaps even here, against the rest of us.

Where are those rapist supporting f tards now?

They were deceiving themselves and the rest of us when they said they &quot;believed it&quot;. They believed in their belief.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>That doesn’t mean that I think they SHOULD say and do what they do, or that they are outside the bounds of public criticism. With freedom comes responsibility. I suppose there are those that would call this a “yes but” defense. So be it.</b></p>
<p>I would call that freedom of conscience. It&#8217;s what the bakers and florists wished they still had in so called America.</p>
<p>The Left though, when you refuse to obey them, they will get you. They will set you up. They will stab you in the back. They&#8217;ll get the government to use Power to break you. That is the Left.</p>
<p>So Geller doesn&#8217;t want to kill her conscience merely for the fear the Islamic Jihad brings. And neither do a lot of Americans want to live under a Gaystapo, killing their conscience so that they Obey the Left&#8217;s Authority.</p>
<p>The Left thinks disagreement is wrong, that it is evil, that it means you are a sub human who can&#8217;t love.</p>
<p><b>Good times … when lefties used to say that.</b></p>
<p>Those disgusting turds used to say that a lot in the Iraq war debate, perhaps even here, against the rest of us.</p>
<p>Where are those rapist supporting f tards now?</p>
<p>They were deceiving themselves and the rest of us when they said they &#8220;believed it&#8221;. They believed in their belief.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892082</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People place too much confidence in their ability to determine people&#039;s motivations, beliefs, and thoughts. They may be accurate for some people, but that does not extend to the majority of either faction.

It is especially inaccurate for people who cannot make accurate predictions about the present or future, to then use that inaccurate personal judgment to decide what a bunch of people they have never met, feels, thinks, and knows.

It&#039;s not something they can know. All they know is the people they&#039;ve interviewed and interrogated, which isn&#039;t even a good sized sample.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People place too much confidence in their ability to determine people&#8217;s motivations, beliefs, and thoughts. They may be accurate for some people, but that does not extend to the majority of either faction.</p>
<p>It is especially inaccurate for people who cannot make accurate predictions about the present or future, to then use that inaccurate personal judgment to decide what a bunch of people they have never met, feels, thinks, and knows.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not something they can know. All they know is the people they&#8217;ve interviewed and interrogated, which isn&#8217;t even a good sized sample.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892081</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 14:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left point of view on issues is defined primarily by &#039;who&#039;, not &#039;what&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left point of view on issues is defined primarily by &#8216;who&#8217;, not &#8216;what&#8217;.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892079</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 14:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many Leftists and Democrat socialites also thought Sarah Palin&#039;s children were savage or not part of their social clique for having gotten into a fight at a party, together more or less.

I saw it as youths getting it out, since certainly I would like to rampage through some crowds of human detritus for  stress relief and fighting in that context prepares the mind and body for conflict.

Of course, the Left doesn&#039;t treat Islam, their jihad allies, with the same opprobrium. Maybe because they don&#039;t consider Islam a real threat or maybe they consider Palin and her children the &quot;real threat&quot;. Maybe they understand that they can affect the social status of the teenagers by pressuring Palin when they know that pressuring Islam on honor killings and FGM is worse than useless. It&#039;ll get you killed sooner or later.

So, hypocrisy? Perhaps even that title is too good for Leftists and so called Americans.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Leftists and Democrat socialites also thought Sarah Palin&#8217;s children were savage or not part of their social clique for having gotten into a fight at a party, together more or less.</p>
<p>I saw it as youths getting it out, since certainly I would like to rampage through some crowds of human detritus for  stress relief and fighting in that context prepares the mind and body for conflict.</p>
<p>Of course, the Left doesn&#8217;t treat Islam, their jihad allies, with the same opprobrium. Maybe because they don&#8217;t consider Islam a real threat or maybe they consider Palin and her children the &#8220;real threat&#8221;. Maybe they understand that they can affect the social status of the teenagers by pressuring Palin when they know that pressuring Islam on honor killings and FGM is worse than useless. It&#8217;ll get you killed sooner or later.</p>
<p>So, hypocrisy? Perhaps even that title is too good for Leftists and so called Americans.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892075</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[G6loq,

There is a fundamental difference between the liberal retards who voted for Obama and the &#039;progressives&#039; who voted for Obama. 

Libtards are ignorant fools and being played for fools (useful idiots) by the Left. They actually believe that the left&#039;s memes and narrative are true and that, the socialistic &#039;solutions&#039; that the left offers will make for a better world. Their motivation is idealistic, though profoundly unrealistic.

Progressives deepest motivation is power and personal aggrandizement. More than anything else, they seek to rule.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G6loq,</p>
<p>There is a fundamental difference between the liberal retards who voted for Obama and the &#8216;progressives&#8217; who voted for Obama. </p>
<p>Libtards are ignorant fools and being played for fools (useful idiots) by the Left. They actually believe that the left&#8217;s memes and narrative are true and that, the socialistic &#8216;solutions&#8217; that the left offers will make for a better world. Their motivation is idealistic, though profoundly unrealistic.</p>
<p>Progressives deepest motivation is power and personal aggrandizement. More than anything else, they seek to rule.</p>
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		By: Molly NH		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/08/strange-bedfellows/#comment-892071</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2015 14:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@G6loq, MY lefty family members hear an earful for
voting for this America hating, Muslim enabling poser
all the time !  They stay strangely silent &#038; uncharacteristically docile when I make the remark
&quot;he s against Christians &#038; pro Muslim&quot;
just ask the Coptic s, the ones that are still alive !
 I heard that the US state dept denied a Visa to a 
Syrian Nun who wanted to tour the US and speak out about the slaughter of the ME Christians, I imagine like Lois lerner the State Dept is just doing the bidding of our tyrant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@G6loq, MY lefty family members hear an earful for<br />
voting for this America hating, Muslim enabling poser<br />
all the time !  They stay strangely silent &amp; uncharacteristically docile when I make the remark<br />
&#8220;he s against Christians &amp; pro Muslim&#8221;<br />
just ask the Coptic s, the ones that are still alive !<br />
 I heard that the US state dept denied a Visa to a<br />
Syrian Nun who wanted to tour the US and speak out about the slaughter of the ME Christians, I imagine like Lois lerner the State Dept is just doing the bidding of our tyrant.</p>
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