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		By: T Logical		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890898</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T Logical]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2015 22:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a condition called neurogenic shock which is caused by the dilation of blood vessels after a spinal cord trauma.  This drops the blood pressure, and the heart works harder to compensate.  That is one scenario for how a spinal injury could result in a heart attack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a condition called neurogenic shock which is caused by the dilation of blood vessels after a spinal cord trauma.  This drops the blood pressure, and the heart works harder to compensate.  That is one scenario for how a spinal injury could result in a heart attack.</p>
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		By: BillR		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890720</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2015 18:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are there any parallels to the case several years before where a suspect received injuries rendering him a quadriplegic? What do we know about that case? Are there any other known instances of severe injury from a ride in the Baltimore PD wagon?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any parallels to the case several years before where a suspect received injuries rendering him a quadriplegic? What do we know about that case? Are there any other known instances of severe injury from a ride in the Baltimore PD wagon?</p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr. Frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2015 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last night Geraldo made the point that the prosecutor has to identify one person responsible for the death of Mr. Gray which looks very difficult right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night Geraldo made the point that the prosecutor has to identify one person responsible for the death of Mr. Gray which looks very difficult right now.</p>
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		By: denise		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890658</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2015 04:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm . . . this is a very complicated fact pattern with lots of players.  I have a little bit of experience with police misconduct - generally the greatest danger is immediately after a chase or pursuit.  At that point, cops &quot;have their blood up&quot; and sometimes this leads to the application of excessive force.  But, it appears Mr. Grey was not injured at that point of his contact with the officers.  No one suggests the arresting officers applied excessive force.

What we are left with is the fact that Mr. Grey was in grave condition when the van ride was over.  While res ipsa loquitur can suffice for civil liability; I don&#039;t think it can establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal context.

We don&#039;t have enough information yet to really judge the quality of the charges, maybe Madame Prosecutor has something that&#039;s not been revealed  that solidifies the charges.  Far too few details about the autopsy report have been released.  So far, however, there&#039;s been no credible allegations of the use of excessive force by any of the six charged officers.  The charges don&#039;t even clearly indicate that Goodson conducted a &quot;rough ride.&quot;  

Negligence and civil liability?  Quite possible.
Criminal liability?  Quite uncertain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm . . . this is a very complicated fact pattern with lots of players.  I have a little bit of experience with police misconduct &#8211; generally the greatest danger is immediately after a chase or pursuit.  At that point, cops &#8220;have their blood up&#8221; and sometimes this leads to the application of excessive force.  But, it appears Mr. Grey was not injured at that point of his contact with the officers.  No one suggests the arresting officers applied excessive force.</p>
<p>What we are left with is the fact that Mr. Grey was in grave condition when the van ride was over.  While res ipsa loquitur can suffice for civil liability; I don&#8217;t think it can establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal context.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have enough information yet to really judge the quality of the charges, maybe Madame Prosecutor has something that&#8217;s not been revealed  that solidifies the charges.  Far too few details about the autopsy report have been released.  So far, however, there&#8217;s been no credible allegations of the use of excessive force by any of the six charged officers.  The charges don&#8217;t even clearly indicate that Goodson conducted a &#8220;rough ride.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Negligence and civil liability?  Quite possible.<br />
Criminal liability?  Quite uncertain.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890635</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2015 01:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[census reporting cities with the most poverty / and how long they have been democrat controlled
Detroit, MI since 1961
Buffalo, NY since 1954
Cincinnati, OH since 1984
Cleveland, OH since1989
Miami, FL since forever
St. Lewis, MO since 1949
El Paso, TX since forever
Milwaukee, WI since 1908
Philadelphia, PA since 1952
Newark, NJ since 1907

&quot;Curley Effect&quot;

from scragged
Mayor James Curley of Boston who was elected to Boston&#039;s Board of Aldermen in 1904 despite being in prison on a fraud conviction when the election was held.

Mayor Curley showed Democrats how to win elections by taxing productive people and channeling the proceeds to less well-off groups.  This bought Irish votes.  As taxes went higher, productive citizens who tended to vote Republican fled to the suburbs, which tipped the balance further and further in favor of Democratic candidates.

&lt;b&gt;In 1950, Baltimore&#039;s median income was 7% above the national average; in 2011, after 48 years of Democrat misrule, it&#039;s 22% below.&lt;/b&gt;

a lot more good stuff here (where i got the above)
http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>census reporting cities with the most poverty / and how long they have been democrat controlled<br />
Detroit, MI since 1961<br />
Buffalo, NY since 1954<br />
Cincinnati, OH since 1984<br />
Cleveland, OH since1989<br />
Miami, FL since forever<br />
St. Lewis, MO since 1949<br />
El Paso, TX since forever<br />
Milwaukee, WI since 1908<br />
Philadelphia, PA since 1952<br />
Newark, NJ since 1907</p>
<p>&#8220;Curley Effect&#8221;</p>
<p>from scragged<br />
Mayor James Curley of Boston who was elected to Boston&#8217;s Board of Aldermen in 1904 despite being in prison on a fraud conviction when the election was held.</p>
<p>Mayor Curley showed Democrats how to win elections by taxing productive people and channeling the proceeds to less well-off groups.  This bought Irish votes.  As taxes went higher, productive citizens who tended to vote Republican fled to the suburbs, which tipped the balance further and further in favor of Democratic candidates.</p>
<p><b>In 1950, Baltimore&#8217;s median income was 7% above the national average; in 2011, after 48 years of Democrat misrule, it&#8217;s 22% below.</b></p>
<p>a lot more good stuff here (where i got the above)<br />
<a href="http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scragged.com/articles/democrat-disaster-cities</a></p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2015 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo...Yep, you&#039;ve nailed it again. I must have been having a Naivety Brain Flatulence. 6+years into Obamaland; 50+years into Great Society Carnage; 4+decades of Baltimore Demo Rule. Clear, bottom-line cynicism, anyone?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8230;Yep, you&#8217;ve nailed it again. I must have been having a Naivety Brain Flatulence. 6+years into Obamaland; 50+years into Great Society Carnage; 4+decades of Baltimore Demo Rule. Clear, bottom-line cynicism, anyone?</p>
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		By: kaba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890621</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 23:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NYPD officer shot in the head this afternoon as per FOX. I can&#039;t imagine why anyone would want to work for the police now. Far too much risk of being attacked by either the mobs on the street or the politicized bureaucracy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYPD officer shot in the head this afternoon as per FOX. I can&#8217;t imagine why anyone would want to work for the police now. Far too much risk of being attacked by either the mobs on the street or the politicized bureaucracy.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890620</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 23:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mosby has one year&#039;s experience trying criminal cases. One year.

She better have some very good and experienced deputies to do the ACTUAL work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mosby has one year&#8217;s experience trying criminal cases. One year.</p>
<p>She better have some very good and experienced deputies to do the ACTUAL work.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890618</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 23:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[oops -- that should be &quot;which Branca says &quot;is particularly relevant because...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops &#8212; that should be &#8220;which Branca says &#8220;is particularly relevant because&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/05/02/freddie-grays-cause-of-death/#comment-890617</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2015 23:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain said: &lt;i&gt;Gray’s reported ‘crushed’ voice box, if substantiated, greatly concerns me.&lt;/i&gt;

Me too. I&#039;d just assumed it was an actual fact, but according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/04/what-do-we-really-know-about-why-freddie-gray-died/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Andrew Branca&lt;/a&gt; at Legal Insurrection, the Gray family&#039;s lawyer, William Murphy, is the &quot;only source&quot; of that claim, which Murphy says &quot;is particularly relevant because while I can imagine scenarios in which Gray’s death was not the result of criminal malice by the police, these scenarios become far less likely if a crushed larynx is in fact among the injuries suffered.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain said: <i>Gray’s reported ‘crushed’ voice box, if substantiated, greatly concerns me.</i></p>
<p>Me too. I&#8217;d just assumed it was an actual fact, but according to <a href="http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/04/what-do-we-really-know-about-why-freddie-gray-died/" rel="nofollow">Andrew Branca</a> at Legal Insurrection, the Gray family&#8217;s lawyer, William Murphy, is the &#8220;only source&#8221; of that claim, which Murphy says &#8220;is particularly relevant because while I can imagine scenarios in which Gray’s death was not the result of criminal malice by the police, these scenarios become far less likely if a crushed larynx is in fact among the injuries suffered.&#8221;</p>
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