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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-885101</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 16:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FOAF:

I&#039;ve written quite a few times that I think he is both.

However, one or the other can predominate, or seem more destructive.  I think &quot;knave&quot; both predominates and is more destructive.

And, as I&#039;ve often said, I think he&#039;s fairly smart.  One can be smart and a fool,smart and a knave, or smart and both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOAF:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written quite a few times that I think he is both.</p>
<p>However, one or the other can predominate, or seem more destructive.  I think &#8220;knave&#8221; both predominates and is more destructive.</p>
<p>And, as I&#8217;ve often said, I think he&#8217;s fairly smart.  One can be smart and a fool,smart and a knave, or smart and both.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-885034</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOAF]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 07:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Fernandez seems to be leaning heavily on the “fool” argument.&quot;

We always seem to have the &quot;knave or fool&quot; argument and I will say once again that people seem to vastly underestimate the extent to which Obama can be a knave *and* a fool.  I think some people are afraid that if they say he is a fool they are somehow mitigating how much of a knave he is.  I don&#039;t think his foolishness reduces his knavery an iota.

He is not stupid but he is very shallow.  He never ran anything before he became President and still does not have a clue about leadership except to give his emptily pretentious speeches.  He has no plans, only schemes.  He makes it up as he goes along, especially in foreign policy.  He gets away with it because the MFM has abandoned all pretense at journalism to serve as his obsequious bootlicking toadies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fernandez seems to be leaning heavily on the “fool” argument.&#8221;</p>
<p>We always seem to have the &#8220;knave or fool&#8221; argument and I will say once again that people seem to vastly underestimate the extent to which Obama can be a knave *and* a fool.  I think some people are afraid that if they say he is a fool they are somehow mitigating how much of a knave he is.  I don&#8217;t think his foolishness reduces his knavery an iota.</p>
<p>He is not stupid but he is very shallow.  He never ran anything before he became President and still does not have a clue about leadership except to give his emptily pretentious speeches.  He has no plans, only schemes.  He makes it up as he goes along, especially in foreign policy.  He gets away with it because the MFM has abandoned all pretense at journalism to serve as his obsequious bootlicking toadies.</p>
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		By: Michael		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-885003</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 03:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This &#039;deal&#039; is the 21st Century equivalent of the emperor&#039;s new clothes-with the toadies and sycophants &#039;seeing&#039; how good it is...even though most of those with any discernment at all have recognized the administration has been &#039;naked&#039; for 6 years!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8216;deal&#8217; is the 21st Century equivalent of the emperor&#8217;s new clothes-with the toadies and sycophants &#8216;seeing&#8217; how good it is&#8230;even though most of those with any discernment at all have recognized the administration has been &#8216;naked&#8217; for 6 years!</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-884970</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 01:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Obama is accustomed to casting a spell–a spell to which I’m oblivious, but which I’ve seen demonstrated convincingly. He is used to being lauded for producing absolutely nothing of value.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I, too, seemed to be oblivious and always wondered who could have been &quot;seduced&quot; by him - and twice no less.

Well, today, for the first time I actually met a white person who has been &quot;seduced&quot; by him. 

I&#039;ve met plenty of black folks who still think highly of him; but, that is more of a racial solidarity thing than any real admiration for his accomplishments - other than pulling one over on the &quot;man.&quot;  I&#039;ve also met plenty of white folks who voted for him and thought highly of him; but, they now keep their mouths shut.

But, this woman just raved about what wonderful things he has done (Obamacare) and now the deal with Iran!  Wonderful!

And then, she very quickly turned the topic to who might be the next president contender from the Republicans.  Cruz is, in her words: &lt;i&gt;&quot;Just, well, too &lt;b&gt;Republican&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Republican said as if it was a dirty word or something.

And how dare he (Cruz) try to get rid of Obamacare when he uses it himself.

I didn&#039;t counter any of what she said - she is a new co-worker and the boss (who seems to hate men) just loves her.

Good Grief!  What an eye-opener for me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Obama is accustomed to casting a spell–a spell to which I’m oblivious, but which I’ve seen demonstrated convincingly. He is used to being lauded for producing absolutely nothing of value.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I, too, seemed to be oblivious and always wondered who could have been &#8220;seduced&#8221; by him &#8211; and twice no less.</p>
<p>Well, today, for the first time I actually met a white person who has been &#8220;seduced&#8221; by him. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve met plenty of black folks who still think highly of him; but, that is more of a racial solidarity thing than any real admiration for his accomplishments &#8211; other than pulling one over on the &#8220;man.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve also met plenty of white folks who voted for him and thought highly of him; but, they now keep their mouths shut.</p>
<p>But, this woman just raved about what wonderful things he has done (Obamacare) and now the deal with Iran!  Wonderful!</p>
<p>And then, she very quickly turned the topic to who might be the next president contender from the Republicans.  Cruz is, in her words: <i>&#8220;Just, well, too <b>Republican</b>&#8220;</i></p>
<p>Republican said as if it was a dirty word or something.</p>
<p>And how dare he (Cruz) try to get rid of Obamacare when he uses it himself.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t counter any of what she said &#8211; she is a new co-worker and the boss (who seems to hate men) just loves her.</p>
<p>Good Grief!  What an eye-opener for me.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-884918</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 21:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama does indeed believe that agreements have intrinsic worth, independent from real world confirmation. 

Obama is ideologically opposed to using military force against Iran &lt;i&gt;for any reason&lt;/i&gt;. But he &lt;i&gt;knows&lt;/i&gt; that to be the only method that will actually stop the Mullahs. All that leaves is delay and appeasement.  

The appeasement he offers is a dropping of sanctions for a formal, written but intentionally vague promise to delay. All Obama wants is to leave office before the Iranians announce that they have the bomb. Thus the need for delay. Then he&#039;ll be free to accept huge speaking fees, ghost-write a few books and lobby for the UN Secretary post. The sole duty of which will be giving speeches, providing him the platform (no term limits) from which to lecture the world... 

A secondary consideration for Obama is that he is in favor of anything that assists America&#039;s &#039;chickens coming home to roost&#039;. And, nuclear terrorist attacks are the biggest of &#039;chickens&#039; that can come home to roost.

Artfldgr, 

It always comes back to the Russians for you doesn&#039;t it? They&#039;re certainly bad guys but Putin and his cabal are not leading a vast-Marxist conspiracy against the West. Nor are Western Marxist/Progressives all &#039;collectivists&#039; without individual motivations. Your theories are flawed because they fail to distinguish between theory and the real world of human nature. Marxists are certainly employing their tactics and strategy, ala Alinsky but the Left is not ruled by a collective &lt;i&gt;Russian&lt;/i&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SPECTRE&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Winston Churchill]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama does indeed believe that agreements have intrinsic worth, independent from real world confirmation. </p>
<p>Obama is ideologically opposed to using military force against Iran <i>for any reason</i>. But he <i>knows</i> that to be the only method that will actually stop the Mullahs. All that leaves is delay and appeasement.  </p>
<p>The appeasement he offers is a dropping of sanctions for a formal, written but intentionally vague promise to delay. All Obama wants is to leave office before the Iranians announce that they have the bomb. Thus the need for delay. Then he&#8217;ll be free to accept huge speaking fees, ghost-write a few books and lobby for the UN Secretary post. The sole duty of which will be giving speeches, providing him the platform (no term limits) from which to lecture the world&#8230; </p>
<p>A secondary consideration for Obama is that he is in favor of anything that assists America&#8217;s &#8216;chickens coming home to roost&#8217;. And, nuclear terrorist attacks are the biggest of &#8216;chickens&#8217; that can come home to roost.</p>
<p>Artfldgr, </p>
<p>It always comes back to the Russians for you doesn&#8217;t it? They&#8217;re certainly bad guys but Putin and his cabal are not leading a vast-Marxist conspiracy against the West. Nor are Western Marxist/Progressives all &#8216;collectivists&#8217; without individual motivations. Your theories are flawed because they fail to distinguish between theory and the real world of human nature. Marxists are certainly employing their tactics and strategy, ala Alinsky but the Left is not ruled by a collective <i>Russian</i> <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQJbF2CXLQ" rel="nofollow"><b>SPECTRE</b></a>.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.&#8221;</i> Winston Churchill</p>
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		By: Range of Light		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-884900</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 20:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, and Yann: Obama and G.W.Bush as legacies alike? That planet you populate must be a very whiskey laden place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Yann: Obama and G.W.Bush as legacies alike? That planet you populate must be a very whiskey laden place.</p>
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		By: Range of Light		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-884898</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 20:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Out here in California, Governor Moonbeam is declaring that we need gov&#039;t imposed and monitored water rationing and that and(surprise, tres surprise) and that man made&quot;Climate Change&quot; is &quot;settled science&quot; and &quot;scientific consensus&quot;. Our current drought is man made, don&#039;t you know, blah-blah-blah. Accidentally Jerry-the-Genius did get some of that nonsense right. Reservoirs, aqueducts and unhindered access to water for crop growing in our lush-rich-fertile San Juaquin Valley have been vastly hindered, limited and sabotaged by the environmentalists and their gov&#039;t/bureaucratic lackies for decades. Business have been vanishing from our Nutter Paradise and settling roots in other states for many years now. All of this a dandy microcosm of what Mr. Obama and his idiotic koolaid swillers want nationwide.

Beyond horrific.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out here in California, Governor Moonbeam is declaring that we need gov&#8217;t imposed and monitored water rationing and that and(surprise, tres surprise) and that man made&#8221;Climate Change&#8221; is &#8220;settled science&#8221; and &#8220;scientific consensus&#8221;. Our current drought is man made, don&#8217;t you know, blah-blah-blah. Accidentally Jerry-the-Genius did get some of that nonsense right. Reservoirs, aqueducts and unhindered access to water for crop growing in our lush-rich-fertile San Juaquin Valley have been vastly hindered, limited and sabotaged by the environmentalists and their gov&#8217;t/bureaucratic lackies for decades. Business have been vanishing from our Nutter Paradise and settling roots in other states for many years now. All of this a dandy microcosm of what Mr. Obama and his idiotic koolaid swillers want nationwide.</p>
<p>Beyond horrific.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/04/07/obamas-negotiating-style/#comment-884859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 17:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s a distinctly Iran-boosting pattern in Obama&#039;s record:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/obama-iraq-116708.html#.VSQFyrt0x0s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a distinctly Iran-boosting pattern in Obama&#8217;s record:<br />
<a href="http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/obama-iraq-116708.html#.VSQFyrt0x0s" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/obama-iraq-116708.html#.VSQFyrt0x0s</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 15:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russian Internet holding company, Digital Sky, grabbed 1.96% of Facebook stock in May of 2009 when it spent $200 million at a $10 billion valuation. 

For people with money in the Russian investment company DST Global, the focus is social networking.

But DST’s additional $50 million now raises it and its sister company’s combined investment in Facebook to more than $500 million. As a result of their earlier investments, they now own about 10 percent of the company, making the DST siblings among Facebook’s biggest owners.


so the success of facebook and such is a coordinated effort of the owner selling out to the soviets.  they now know who you are, what your sexual proclivities are, whether you get along with momma, if your an anti comnmunist, and on and on... including the key information for elites, and so on

its not hard to imagine that so many of the famous people we disparage may have gotten visits in which the KGB explained to them that if they dont do X, then their careers are going to be halted... one way or another. so sean penn may not be a communist, he may be a very scared person who cant bring up what happened to him as no liberal would believe such!!!!

&lt;i&gt;When DST, previously known as Digital Sky Technologies, first started putting money into Facebook in 2009, some analysts chalked it up to an effort by novice Russian investors to burnish their technology credentials and gain entree to Silicon Valley. But DST, which is bankrolled by a coal and steel mogul with Kremlin ties, has placed some ambitious, and so far successful, bets.&lt;/i&gt;

imagine that... he pays, and the russian government makes sure he succeeds and the leaders make huge fortunes... 

hey... isnt obama doing the same with berkshire hathaway? care to look up how much DST has of that? 

&lt;i&gt;It now owns about 5 percent of the popular online gaming company Zynga and about 5 percent of the prominent shopping-coupon company Groupon. And it is said to be interested in investing in another privately held phenomenon, Twitter.&lt;/i&gt;

you too can be successful, just follow the FSB/KGB/ etc

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/russians-large-stake-in-facebook-grows-larger/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russian Internet holding company, Digital Sky, grabbed 1.96% of Facebook stock in May of 2009 when it spent $200 million at a $10 billion valuation. </p>
<p>For people with money in the Russian investment company DST Global, the focus is social networking.</p>
<p>But DST’s additional $50 million now raises it and its sister company’s combined investment in Facebook to more than $500 million. As a result of their earlier investments, they now own about 10 percent of the company, making the DST siblings among Facebook’s biggest owners.</p>
<p>so the success of facebook and such is a coordinated effort of the owner selling out to the soviets.  they now know who you are, what your sexual proclivities are, whether you get along with momma, if your an anti comnmunist, and on and on&#8230; including the key information for elites, and so on</p>
<p>its not hard to imagine that so many of the famous people we disparage may have gotten visits in which the KGB explained to them that if they dont do X, then their careers are going to be halted&#8230; one way or another. so sean penn may not be a communist, he may be a very scared person who cant bring up what happened to him as no liberal would believe such!!!!</p>
<p><i>When DST, previously known as Digital Sky Technologies, first started putting money into Facebook in 2009, some analysts chalked it up to an effort by novice Russian investors to burnish their technology credentials and gain entree to Silicon Valley. But DST, which is bankrolled by a coal and steel mogul with Kremlin ties, has placed some ambitious, and so far successful, bets.</i></p>
<p>imagine that&#8230; he pays, and the russian government makes sure he succeeds and the leaders make huge fortunes&#8230; </p>
<p>hey&#8230; isnt obama doing the same with berkshire hathaway? care to look up how much DST has of that? </p>
<p><i>It now owns about 5 percent of the popular online gaming company Zynga and about 5 percent of the prominent shopping-coupon company Groupon. And it is said to be interested in investing in another privately held phenomenon, Twitter.</i></p>
<p>you too can be successful, just follow the FSB/KGB/ etc</p>
<p><a href="http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/russians-large-stake-in-facebook-grows-larger/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/russians-large-stake-in-facebook-grows-larger/</a></p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 15:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;So what’s the downside for him in the Iran deal? I really don’t see one.&quot;

I agree completely with Neo here.  

If there is a leftist Democrat president when Iran builds their first bomb, that will work to his advantage in his efforts to dismantle the United States.  The weaker we are the more excuses he will have to capitulate to militant Islam.  If by some miracle a Republican wins, then the left will be much better off since Iran will serve them as a powerful ally which shares their goal to advance Islam and to diminish the USA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So what’s the downside for him in the Iran deal? I really don’t see one.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree completely with Neo here.  </p>
<p>If there is a leftist Democrat president when Iran builds their first bomb, that will work to his advantage in his efforts to dismantle the United States.  The weaker we are the more excuses he will have to capitulate to militant Islam.  If by some miracle a Republican wins, then the left will be much better off since Iran will serve them as a powerful ally which shares their goal to advance Islam and to diminish the USA.</p>
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