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		By: Daniel in Brookline		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel in Brookline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

I&#039;m not sure of the context, not having listened to the exchange in question.  But I&#039;ve heard &quot;I just can&#039;t believe&quot; used as the intro to many an emotional argument, i.e. the facts may totally support what you say, and totally negate what I say, but never mind that, because I Just Can&#039;t Believe It!

(To people used to arguing from emotions, not facts or logic, this is indeed an accepted technique.  It is also common in houses where teenagers reside.)

You might mean something else, which I&#039;ve also encountered from some lazy thinkers (mostly on the liberal side), which is the attempt to reject you, everything you stand for, and everything you might say now or in the future, based on a single data point.  &quot;But Republicans say XXXX, which is not only wrong but ridiculously wrong; based on that, why should I listen to anything you have to say?&quot;

I actually have a lot of fun with that argument... because it&#039;s usually not based on anything I&#039;VE said or done.  I point that out, and cheerfully add that, since their entire premise was based on the one thing that I just rejected, nothing remains of their argument -- nothing at all.  (I also point out that it&#039;s hardly reasonable to reject a person for the actions of others in a group.)  Nice try, big guy.  Now start again from scratch.  Better luck next time.

And yet people continue using this technique, because they LIKE being able to reject someone utterly and never think about them again.  Nice work if you can get it, I suppose...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure of the context, not having listened to the exchange in question.  But I&#8217;ve heard &#8220;I just can&#8217;t believe&#8221; used as the intro to many an emotional argument, i.e. the facts may totally support what you say, and totally negate what I say, but never mind that, because I Just Can&#8217;t Believe It!</p>
<p>(To people used to arguing from emotions, not facts or logic, this is indeed an accepted technique.  It is also common in houses where teenagers reside.)</p>
<p>You might mean something else, which I&#8217;ve also encountered from some lazy thinkers (mostly on the liberal side), which is the attempt to reject you, everything you stand for, and everything you might say now or in the future, based on a single data point.  &#8220;But Republicans say XXXX, which is not only wrong but ridiculously wrong; based on that, why should I listen to anything you have to say?&#8221;</p>
<p>I actually have a lot of fun with that argument&#8230; because it&#8217;s usually not based on anything I&#8217;VE said or done.  I point that out, and cheerfully add that, since their entire premise was based on the one thing that I just rejected, nothing remains of their argument &#8212; nothing at all.  (I also point out that it&#8217;s hardly reasonable to reject a person for the actions of others in a group.)  Nice try, big guy.  Now start again from scratch.  Better luck next time.</p>
<p>And yet people continue using this technique, because they LIKE being able to reject someone utterly and never think about them again.  Nice work if you can get it, I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democrats are the Party of the Big Lie. 

The consequences ought to be simple. Let them Die by the Big Lie. 

Call them what they are, the Slave Party. Over and over and over again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats are the Party of the Big Lie. </p>
<p>The consequences ought to be simple. Let them Die by the Big Lie. </p>
<p>Call them what they are, the Slave Party. Over and over and over again.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879277</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 21:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erick Ericksson&#039;s caller Mark trotted out the &quot;I can&#039;t believe....&quot; thing half a dozen times.  Only lib/progs use this.  I never figured out what it&#039;s supposed to do in argumentation.
It doesn&#039;t sound as if it&#039;s a learned technique.  It sounds as if they think it has real meaning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erick Ericksson&#8217;s caller Mark trotted out the &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe&#8230;.&#8221; thing half a dozen times.  Only lib/progs use this.  I never figured out what it&#8217;s supposed to do in argumentation.<br />
It doesn&#8217;t sound as if it&#8217;s a learned technique.  It sounds as if they think it has real meaning.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879234</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Its not trust worthy news channel man&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s almost like the assumption is that there does exist a trustworthy news channel...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Its not trust worthy news channel man</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s almost like the assumption is that there does exist a trustworthy news channel&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879233</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I never thought something like this; the US converting into a dictatorship was possible, at least not within a period of two presidential terms.&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s not surprising that the neophyte to a chess game can&#039;t see more than 4 moves ahead from beginning to End.

There are certain things in this world that Americans weren&#039;t trained to do, or to win. It&#039;s an individual aptitude and choice to receive the source. It wasn&#039;t passed on in the American blood stream, it wasn&#039;t passed on via citizenship papers and inheritances, and it certainly wasn&#039;t passed on via &quot;awards&quot; and &quot;degrees&quot; from universities for doctors and lawyers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I never thought something like this; the US converting into a dictatorship was possible, at least not within a period of two presidential terms.</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not surprising that the neophyte to a chess game can&#8217;t see more than 4 moves ahead from beginning to End.</p>
<p>There are certain things in this world that Americans weren&#8217;t trained to do, or to win. It&#8217;s an individual aptitude and choice to receive the source. It wasn&#8217;t passed on in the American blood stream, it wasn&#8217;t passed on via citizenship papers and inheritances, and it certainly wasn&#8217;t passed on via &#8220;awards&#8221; and &#8220;degrees&#8221; from universities for doctors and lawyers.</p>
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		By: Japan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Japan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Al Jazeera(!)?

Its not trust worthy news channel man]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Jazeera(!)?</p>
<p>Its not trust worthy news channel man</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Promethea: &quot;We are “governed” by ignorant, criminal, crazy people who haven’t the learning or imagination to understand what kinds of horrors a civilization collapse would bring.&quot;

They&#039;re not ignorant, and they have the learning and imagination. Rather, the activist game is the only social political game there is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promethea: &#8220;We are “governed” by ignorant, criminal, crazy people who haven’t the learning or imagination to understand what kinds of horrors a civilization collapse would bring.&#8221;</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not ignorant, and they have the learning and imagination. Rather, the activist game is the only social political game there is.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pattern:

The 2008 secret agreement for favorable terms in post-Bush nuclear negotiations reported by Hinderaker at Powerlineblog.

The low support for the Green Revolution in 2009 in contrast with even the &#039;lead from behind&#039; approach for the Arab Spring.

Stand-off orientation with Iraq from the outset at a critical stage of Iraq&#039;s development, with the 2011 pull-out as the culmination, that has benefited Iran.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/19/irans-shiite-militias-are-running-amok-in-iraq/

The actual nuclear negotiations that have favored Iran.

Fool or knave? Knave.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pattern:</p>
<p>The 2008 secret agreement for favorable terms in post-Bush nuclear negotiations reported by Hinderaker at Powerlineblog.</p>
<p>The low support for the Green Revolution in 2009 in contrast with even the &#8216;lead from behind&#8217; approach for the Arab Spring.</p>
<p>Stand-off orientation with Iraq from the outset at a critical stage of Iraq&#8217;s development, with the 2011 pull-out as the culmination, that has benefited Iran.<br />
<a href="http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/19/irans-shiite-militias-are-running-amok-in-iraq/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/02/19/irans-shiite-militias-are-running-amok-in-iraq/</a></p>
<p>The actual nuclear negotiations that have favored Iran.</p>
<p>Fool or knave? Knave.</p>
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		By: texasyankee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879114</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[texasyankee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 03:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If Obama wants to deny Hillary the nomination, he has the ability to do so.  Just have the new Attorney General start an investigation into the email scandal.  Such an investigation would take six months or better and would leak like a sieve.  If that didn&#039;t keep her out of the race, then an indictment would.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama wants to deny Hillary the nomination, he has the ability to do so.  Just have the new Attorney General start an investigation into the email scandal.  Such an investigation would take six months or better and would leak like a sieve.  If that didn&#8217;t keep her out of the race, then an indictment would.</p>
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		By: Promethea		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/03/13/the-repercussions-of-the-iran-letter/#comment-879104</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Promethea]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly at 9:32 . . .

I agree with you that many Democrats, such as the ones you name, and many others have committed treason.It&#039;s been especially obvious since 9/11 when I started paying attention.

It&#039;s also quite obvious that many of those traitors as well as the traitorous news media simply do not know what the Constitution requires regarding the three branches of government. 

We are &quot;governed&quot; by ignorant, criminal, crazy people who haven&#039;t the learning or imagination to understand what kinds of horrors a civilization collapse would bring. Iranians with nukes? Ho hum. What&#039;s on TV?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly at 9:32 . . .</p>
<p>I agree with you that many Democrats, such as the ones you name, and many others have committed treason.It&#8217;s been especially obvious since 9/11 when I started paying attention.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also quite obvious that many of those traitors as well as the traitorous news media simply do not know what the Constitution requires regarding the three branches of government. </p>
<p>We are &#8220;governed&#8221; by ignorant, criminal, crazy people who haven&#8217;t the learning or imagination to understand what kinds of horrors a civilization collapse would bring. Iranians with nukes? Ho hum. What&#8217;s on TV?</p>
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