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		By: John Dough		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Dough]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of this could have been prevented if 250 years ago we would have picked our own cotton]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this could have been prevented if 250 years ago we would have picked our own cotton</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sure looks to me like tha vast majority of &quot;african americans&quot; want to be segregated...  with their own police, and businesses and so on... after all, if they have white officers, they complain they are racist... if they have their own area with their own officers and so on, then they say its unequal because they are separate... you can figure out a list in which nothing will work, short of exterminating all white men (Which removes white women too - showing you how smart the women are on this issue), and then they will be in their own country, like in africa, which they dont want to go back to either.

personally... dismantled the police, and they will complain that no one is protecting them... protect them and they complain... 

at some point, people get tired of trying to accomodate someone who is never happy, cant be happy, and nothing satisfies..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure looks to me like tha vast majority of &#8220;african americans&#8221; want to be segregated&#8230;  with their own police, and businesses and so on&#8230; after all, if they have white officers, they complain they are racist&#8230; if they have their own area with their own officers and so on, then they say its unequal because they are separate&#8230; you can figure out a list in which nothing will work, short of exterminating all white men (Which removes white women too &#8211; showing you how smart the women are on this issue), and then they will be in their own country, like in africa, which they dont want to go back to either.</p>
<p>personally&#8230; dismantled the police, and they will complain that no one is protecting them&#8230; protect them and they complain&#8230; </p>
<p>at some point, people get tired of trying to accomodate someone who is never happy, cant be happy, and nothing satisfies..</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fergusson as debtor prison!
Geez, I had completely missed that. 
Can&#039;t keep up with the complete breakdown of societal consensus no mo&#039;e.... Exhausting.

Societal Consensus has left the room and she&#039;s not coming back ... Let it burn!


Here:&lt;a href=&quot;http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/03/the-ferguson-kleptocracy.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Ferguson Kleptocracy&lt;/a&gt;
In Ferguson and the Modern Debtor’s Prison wrote:
You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate. 
You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and &lt;b&gt; the threat of jail for failure to pay.”&lt;/b&gt;

The DOJ report on the Ferguson Police Department verifies this in stunning detail:
Ferguson has allowed its focus on revenue generation to fundamentally compromise the role of Ferguson’s municipal court. 
The municipal court does not act as a neutral arbiter of the law or a check on unlawful police conduct.

… Our investigation has found overwhelming evidence of minor municipal code violations resulting in multiple arrests, &lt;b&gt;jail time&lt;/b&gt;, and payments that exceed the cost of the original ticket &lt;b&gt;many times over&lt;/b&gt;. 
One woman, discussed above, received two parking tickets for a single violation in 2007 that then totaled $151 plus fees. Over seven years later, she still owed Ferguson $541–after already paying $550 in fines and fees, having multiple arrest warrants issued against her, and &lt;b&gt;being arrested and jailed on several occasions&lt;/b&gt;.
Predatory fining was incentivized...
The &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbfzahtZsN8&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Parrot&lt;/a&gt; speaks for me...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fergusson as debtor prison!<br />
Geez, I had completely missed that.<br />
Can&#8217;t keep up with the complete breakdown of societal consensus no mo&#8217;e&#8230;. Exhausting.</p>
<p>Societal Consensus has left the room and she&#8217;s not coming back &#8230; Let it burn!</p>
<p>Here:<a href="http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2015/03/the-ferguson-kleptocracy.html" title="" rel="nofollow">The Ferguson Kleptocracy</a><br />
In Ferguson and the Modern Debtor’s Prison wrote:<br />
You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate.<br />
You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and <b> the threat of jail for failure to pay.”</b></p>
<p>The DOJ report on the Ferguson Police Department verifies this in stunning detail:<br />
Ferguson has allowed its focus on revenue generation to fundamentally compromise the role of Ferguson’s municipal court.<br />
The municipal court does not act as a neutral arbiter of the law or a check on unlawful police conduct.</p>
<p>… Our investigation has found overwhelming evidence of minor municipal code violations resulting in multiple arrests, <b>jail time</b>, and payments that exceed the cost of the original ticket <b>many times over</b>.<br />
One woman, discussed above, received two parking tickets for a single violation in 2007 that then totaled $151 plus fees. Over seven years later, she still owed Ferguson $541–after already paying $550 in fines and fees, having multiple arrest warrants issued against her, and <b>being arrested and jailed on several occasions</b>.<br />
Predatory fining was incentivized&#8230;<br />
The <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbfzahtZsN8" title="" rel="nofollow">Parrot</a> speaks for me&#8230;</p>
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		By: Clarityseeker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great read. Totally agree.]]></description>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 13:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Anyone in their way, will get knifed and shot.]]></description>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 12:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s see now. Menendez, Ferguson Police Department. 

Who&#039;s next? Bibi? Hillary? SCOTUS?

No matter. The long knives are coming out. 

File under: Dark Knight of the Long Knives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see now. Menendez, Ferguson Police Department. </p>
<p>Who&#8217;s next? Bibi? Hillary? SCOTUS?</p>
<p>No matter. The long knives are coming out. </p>
<p>File under: Dark Knight of the Long Knives.</p>
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		By: beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 06:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Michael Jackson went back to Nigeria, thinking he&#039;d have a homecoming peak experience. But the stench of the third world hit him as soon as he got off the plane, and he clapped a handkerchief over his nose and RAN across the tarmac.

The Nigerians were Not Amused. 

Apparently the Gloved One was appalled by what he found there. Came home lickety split.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Jackson went back to Nigeria, thinking he&#8217;d have a homecoming peak experience. But the stench of the third world hit him as soon as he got off the plane, and he clapped a handkerchief over his nose and RAN across the tarmac.</p>
<p>The Nigerians were Not Amused. </p>
<p>Apparently the Gloved One was appalled by what he found there. Came home lickety split.</p>
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		By: Dennis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 03:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to see Blert&#039;s idea of repatriating all blacks who hate white people back to Africa happen for a few months just to hear the caterwauling from spoiled American blacks about how terrible it is to actually live in Africa.  It would probably only take a few days and they would be clamoring for the next flight back to the good old USA.  Neo is correct that it is just a pipe dream but it is fun to imagine.

There is no question that African culture is much different than ours but I doubt that American blacks would fit in very well.  American black culture is not African culture in any sense but rather it is a degenerated version of leftists utopian musings.  In traditional African cultures children are raised in intact families in which dominant men marry submissive women and rule the household.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to see Blert&#8217;s idea of repatriating all blacks who hate white people back to Africa happen for a few months just to hear the caterwauling from spoiled American blacks about how terrible it is to actually live in Africa.  It would probably only take a few days and they would be clamoring for the next flight back to the good old USA.  Neo is correct that it is just a pipe dream but it is fun to imagine.</p>
<p>There is no question that African culture is much different than ours but I doubt that American blacks would fit in very well.  American black culture is not African culture in any sense but rather it is a degenerated version of leftists utopian musings.  In traditional African cultures children are raised in intact families in which dominant men marry submissive women and rule the household.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2015 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please pass on this note to Holder:

Recently, the Townsville Police Department (Queensland, Australia) ran an e-mail forum with the local community (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, &quot;Community Policing.&quot; One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question: 

&quot;I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people, and get away with it?&quot; 

From the &quot;other side&quot; (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humour replied: 

&quot;First of all, let me tell you this ... it&#039;s not easy. In Townsville, we average one cop for every 600 people. 

Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as &quot;patrol&quot;) where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. 

At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty, and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty.

So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day. 

Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a pie, and then find a new person to harass. 

This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. 

What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass. The tools available to us are as follow: 

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. &quot;My neighbour is beating his wife&quot; is a code phrase used often. This means we&#039;ll come out and give somebody some special harassment. Another popular one: &quot;There&#039;s a guy breaking into a house.&quot; The harassment team is then put into action. 

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no rego, or no driver&#039;s licenses and the like. It&#039;s lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a cat on the scent of a mouse. When you catch them you can harass them for hours, to determine why they didn&#039;t want to talk to us. 

LAWS: When we don&#039;t have PHONES or CARS or RUNNERS, and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called &quot;Laws&quot;; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Laws, etc ...They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. 

After you read the laws, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there&#039;s this book we have that says that&#039;s not allowed. That meant I was allowed to harass this guy. It&#039;s a really cool system that we&#039;ve set up, and it works pretty well. 

We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good Townsville citizens who pay the bill, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to &quot;harass&quot; some people. 

Hopefully sir, this has clarified to you a little bit better, how we harass the good citizens of Townsville.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please pass on this note to Holder:</p>
<p>Recently, the Townsville Police Department (Queensland, Australia) ran an e-mail forum with the local community (a question and answer exchange) with the topic being, &#8220;Community Policing.&#8221; One of the civilian e-mail participants posed the following question: </p>
<p>&#8220;I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people, and get away with it?&#8221; </p>
<p>From the &#8220;other side&#8221; (the law enforcement side) Sgt. Bennett, obviously a cop with a sense of humour replied: </p>
<p>&#8220;First of all, let me tell you this &#8230; it&#8217;s not easy. In Townsville, we average one cop for every 600 people. </p>
<p>Only about 60% of those cops are on general duty (or what you might refer to as &#8220;patrol&#8221;) where we do most of our harassing. The rest are in non-harassing departments that do not allow them contact with the day to day innocents. </p>
<p>At any given moment, only one-fifth of the 60% patrollers are on duty, and available for harassing people while the rest are off duty.</p>
<p>So roughly, one cop is responsible for harassing about 5,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial business, and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 10,000 or more people a day. </p>
<p>Now, your average ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds long. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and then only three-fourths of a second to eat a pie, and then find a new person to harass. </p>
<p>This is not an easy task. To be honest, most cops are not up to this challenge day in and day out. It is just too tiring. </p>
<p>What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we can realistically harass. The tools available to us are as follow: </p>
<p>PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. &#8220;My neighbour is beating his wife&#8221; is a code phrase used often. This means we&#8217;ll come out and give somebody some special harassment. Another popular one: &#8220;There&#8217;s a guy breaking into a house.&#8221; The harassment team is then put into action. </p>
<p>CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars with no rego, or no driver&#8217;s licenses and the like. It&#8217;s lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, they are drunk, or have an outstanding warrant.</p>
<p>RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a cat on the scent of a mouse. When you catch them you can harass them for hours, to determine why they didn&#8217;t want to talk to us. </p>
<p>LAWS: When we don&#8217;t have PHONES or CARS or RUNNERS, and have nothing better to do, there are actually books that give us ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called &#8220;Laws&#8221;; Criminal Codes, Motor Vehicle Laws, etc &#8230;They all spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. </p>
<p>After you read the laws, you can just drive around for awhile until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy trying to steal a car. Well, there&#8217;s this book we have that says that&#8217;s not allowed. That meant I was allowed to harass this guy. It&#8217;s a really cool system that we&#8217;ve set up, and it works pretty well. </p>
<p>We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because for the good Townsville citizens who pay the bill, we try to keep the streets safe for them, and they pay us to &#8220;harass&#8221; some people. </p>
<p>Hopefully sir, this has clarified to you a little bit better, how we harass the good citizens of Townsville.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert:

Well, obviously anyone can emigrate to Africa if he/she would like, as long as the African country will take him/her in.  I don&#039;t see a whole lot of traffic that way from America, though.  I have no idea where you&#039;re getting these ideas from.  Let&#039;s just leave it at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert:</p>
<p>Well, obviously anyone can emigrate to Africa if he/she would like, as long as the African country will take him/her in.  I don&#8217;t see a whole lot of traffic that way from America, though.  I have no idea where you&#8217;re getting these ideas from.  Let&#8217;s just leave it at that.</p>
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