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		By: Obamaâ€™s long-held dream of nuclear disarmament - Freedom&#039;s Floodgates		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] involving a lack of justice, and the arms race is a mere symptom of that deeper concern (shades of this far more recent policy [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Obama &#124; Columbia &#124; nuclear disarmament		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] involving a lack of justice, and the arms race is a mere symptom of that deeper concern (shades of this far more recent policy [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A Socialist oriented economy?
A Communist oriented economy?
Some hybrid of the above

they are the same thing... distinction without a difference IF you take the time to know what marx actually says...which most dont... so they believe that socialism is the lesser of evils. 

kind of like saying lucifer is better than beelzebub...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Socialist oriented economy?<br />
A Communist oriented economy?<br />
Some hybrid of the above</p>
<p>they are the same thing&#8230; distinction without a difference IF you take the time to know what marx actually says&#8230;which most dont&#8230; so they believe that socialism is the lesser of evils. </p>
<p>kind of like saying lucifer is better than beelzebub&#8230;</p>
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		By: Eay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Evolution of ISIS
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ar/security/2013/11/syria-islamic-state-iraq-sham-growth.html#]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Evolution of ISIS<br />
<a href="http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ar/security/2013/11/syria-islamic-state-iraq-sham-growth.html#" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ar/security/2013/11/syria-islamic-state-iraq-sham-growth.html#</a></p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric: &quot;The rest can work, but nothing can work without the necessary predicate foundation of security and stability and the dominant control to dictate/enforce terms.&quot;

Don&#039;t quite get your point. If you&#039;re referring to my 12:14 comment, I was opining that the conference was probably a waste of time. That they know nothing about changing poverty or what motivates Islamic jihadis. Obama would do better to figure out what he&#039;s doing wrong economically at  home and concentrating on his #1 job, protecting the  American people. Affecting the behavior of foreign nations - tell them to read the &quot;Mystery of Capital&quot; and get with the program. Much more productive than holding big conferences where much is said and precious little accomplished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: &#8220;The rest can work, but nothing can work without the necessary predicate foundation of security and stability and the dominant control to dictate/enforce terms.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t quite get your point. If you&#8217;re referring to my 12:14 comment, I was opining that the conference was probably a waste of time. That they know nothing about changing poverty or what motivates Islamic jihadis. Obama would do better to figure out what he&#8217;s doing wrong economically at  home and concentrating on his #1 job, protecting the  American people. Affecting the behavior of foreign nations &#8211; tell them to read the &#8220;Mystery of Capital&#8221; and get with the program. Much more productive than holding big conferences where much is said and precious little accomplished.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My Dad&#039;s B-29 outfit with the 20th Air Force in CBI and later Tinian Island was The HELLBIRDS. The 462nd Bomb Group of the 58th Bomb Wing. The Group Motto---on the nose of every airplane---was something I love and honor:

WITH MALICE TOWARD SOME

Get it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Dad&#8217;s B-29 outfit with the 20th Air Force in CBI and later Tinian Island was The HELLBIRDS. The 462nd Bomb Group of the 58th Bomb Wing. The Group Motto&#8212;on the nose of every airplane&#8212;was something I love and honor:</p>
<p>WITH MALICE TOWARD SOME</p>
<p>Get it?</p>
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		By: Clarityseeker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clarityseeker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Inquiring minds want to know...]]></description>
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		By: Clarityseeker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clarityseeker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marie Barf says:
&quot;We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance. We can help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people…&quot;
_______________________________________

So, Ms. Harf is suggesting that America take an active role in the governance of these countries?!?
I&#039;ve not previously seen a member of the U.S. State Department advocate for taking active control of a foreign (sovereign) nation.

In addition, what type of economy is Ms. Harf recommending? 
A Socialist oriented economy?
A Communist oriented economy?
Some hybrid of the above?
Surely she is not advocating for a market-based economy? Her leaders loathe capitalism and all that it represents.
Therefore, it seems highly unlikely that Ms. Harf and her &quot;team&quot; is not suggesting &quot;helping&quot; these countries with anything akin to a capitalistic oriented economy. 
I know, it seems such a fundamental question. 

But then, I am not the one who recommended interfering with the economies of these other countries...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marie Barf says:<br />
&#8220;We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance. We can help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people…&#8221;<br />
_______________________________________</p>
<p>So, Ms. Harf is suggesting that America take an active role in the governance of these countries?!?<br />
I&#8217;ve not previously seen a member of the U.S. State Department advocate for taking active control of a foreign (sovereign) nation.</p>
<p>In addition, what type of economy is Ms. Harf recommending?<br />
A Socialist oriented economy?<br />
A Communist oriented economy?<br />
Some hybrid of the above?<br />
Surely she is not advocating for a market-based economy? Her leaders loathe capitalism and all that it represents.<br />
Therefore, it seems highly unlikely that Ms. Harf and her &#8220;team&#8221; is not suggesting &#8220;helping&#8221; these countries with anything akin to a capitalistic oriented economy.<br />
I know, it seems such a fundamental question. </p>
<p>But then, I am not the one who recommended interfering with the economies of these other countries&#8230;</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[here is something funny, and which spurs thinking on the subject

General Marie Harf Through History
http://freebeacon.com/blog/general-marie-harf-through-history/
&lt;blockquote&gt;State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf suggested that “we cannot kill our way to victory” against ISIS on MSNBC last night. This flies in the face of literally the entirety of human history, through which, time and again, we have seen people killing other people lead to victory in armed combat.

But her dorm-room philosophizing did get me thinking. What if Marie Harf had access to a time machine? How would she have solved the world’s military conflicts?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

the images are a piss in that you see harf addressing ceaser, napoleon, etc... 

while these are meant to be funny, they ultimately are examples of where killing worked, and we imagine that harf was their and advised otherwise... 

but then i thought, is there an example that actually fits? where the redistribution of wealth was tried, and that the outcome was NOT what harf said it would be? 

&lt;b&gt;Between 820 and 844 the vikings attacked france, specifically normandy.  

then in 845, they laid seige to Paris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_%28845%29

After plundering and occupying the city, the Vikings finally withdrew after receiving a ransom payment of 7,000 French livres (2,570 kilograms or 5,670 pounds) of silver and gold from Charles the Bald.

redistributing the wealth of paris to the vikings 
&lt;/b&gt;

this is harfs example.. the jihadis attack, and attack and ultimately jobs and money would be used to &quot;pay them off&quot; (nevermind what the koran says about that, or what marx in the jewish questions says about that!!!)

ultimately what ended up happening is that when they went back home, and others saw what they got, they loaded up and increased their efforts to attack some more to get more!!!!!   and eventually laid seige to paris again. 

Although the Vikings had attacked parts of Francia previously, they reached Paris for the first time in 845, eventually sacking the city. They attacked Paris three times more in the 860s, leaving only when they had acquired sufficient loot or bribes

the larger point here is that HARF CAN BE BOUGHT, SO SHE THINKS THAT EVERYONE CAN BE BOUGHT. 

however, religious zealots are not willing to be bought!!  they are NOT MATERIALISTS (socialists), and so, they seek reward in a non material plain despising rewards in this realm. 

if she was christian, i would tell her to turn to the bible and read the part about the hippocrites. 

Matthew 7:5 ESV: You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother&#039;s eye. 

though more specifically:
Matthew 6:5 ESV: “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 

the religious idea is that if you accept reward &quot;in this life&quot; then you will not be rewarded in the after life, because you dont get paid twice... 

being a materialist, she would not get this.  even if she believes herself to be christian (i have no idea).  

the jihadi want the reward that comes in the realm of the eternal, not the reward that comes in the realm of the temporary.  so ultimately, they will not cooperate. 

oh, they WILL take the reward, but tiqya will result in them taking it, and then going right back to what they are doing considering the jobs and money to be jizya, and that which she thinks will stop them will only embolden them more as they will see allah rewarding them with bounty from their enemies. 

welcome to the game... 
or rather... harf should read tsun tsu
&lt;b&gt;“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” &lt;/b&gt;

there is also this one... not funny... but interesting. 
Marie Harf, Barack Obama, and ‘Legitimate Grievances’
http://freebeacon.com/blog/marie-harf-barack-obama-and-legitimate-grievances/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here is something funny, and which spurs thinking on the subject</p>
<p>General Marie Harf Through History<br />
<a href="http://freebeacon.com/blog/general-marie-harf-through-history/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freebeacon.com/blog/general-marie-harf-through-history/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf suggested that “we cannot kill our way to victory” against ISIS on MSNBC last night. This flies in the face of literally the entirety of human history, through which, time and again, we have seen people killing other people lead to victory in armed combat.</p>
<p>But her dorm-room philosophizing did get me thinking. What if Marie Harf had access to a time machine? How would she have solved the world’s military conflicts?</p></blockquote>
<p>the images are a piss in that you see harf addressing ceaser, napoleon, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>while these are meant to be funny, they ultimately are examples of where killing worked, and we imagine that harf was their and advised otherwise&#8230; </p>
<p>but then i thought, is there an example that actually fits? where the redistribution of wealth was tried, and that the outcome was NOT what harf said it would be? </p>
<p><b>Between 820 and 844 the vikings attacked france, specifically normandy.  </p>
<p>then in 845, they laid seige to Paris<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_%28845%29" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Paris_%28845%29</a></p>
<p>After plundering and occupying the city, the Vikings finally withdrew after receiving a ransom payment of 7,000 French livres (2,570 kilograms or 5,670 pounds) of silver and gold from Charles the Bald.</p>
<p>redistributing the wealth of paris to the vikings<br />
</b></p>
<p>this is harfs example.. the jihadis attack, and attack and ultimately jobs and money would be used to &#8220;pay them off&#8221; (nevermind what the koran says about that, or what marx in the jewish questions says about that!!!)</p>
<p>ultimately what ended up happening is that when they went back home, and others saw what they got, they loaded up and increased their efforts to attack some more to get more!!!!!   and eventually laid seige to paris again. </p>
<p>Although the Vikings had attacked parts of Francia previously, they reached Paris for the first time in 845, eventually sacking the city. They attacked Paris three times more in the 860s, leaving only when they had acquired sufficient loot or bribes</p>
<p>the larger point here is that HARF CAN BE BOUGHT, SO SHE THINKS THAT EVERYONE CAN BE BOUGHT. </p>
<p>however, religious zealots are not willing to be bought!!  they are NOT MATERIALISTS (socialists), and so, they seek reward in a non material plain despising rewards in this realm. </p>
<p>if she was christian, i would tell her to turn to the bible and read the part about the hippocrites. </p>
<p>Matthew 7:5 ESV: You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother&#8217;s eye. </p>
<p>though more specifically:<br />
Matthew 6:5 ESV: “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. </p>
<p>the religious idea is that if you accept reward &#8220;in this life&#8221; then you will not be rewarded in the after life, because you dont get paid twice&#8230; </p>
<p>being a materialist, she would not get this.  even if she believes herself to be christian (i have no idea).  </p>
<p>the jihadi want the reward that comes in the realm of the eternal, not the reward that comes in the realm of the temporary.  so ultimately, they will not cooperate. </p>
<p>oh, they WILL take the reward, but tiqya will result in them taking it, and then going right back to what they are doing considering the jobs and money to be jizya, and that which she thinks will stop them will only embolden them more as they will see allah rewarding them with bounty from their enemies. </p>
<p>welcome to the game&#8230;<br />
or rather&#8230; harf should read tsun tsu<br />
<b>“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” </b></p>
<p>there is also this one&#8230; not funny&#8230; but interesting.<br />
Marie Harf, Barack Obama, and ‘Legitimate Grievances’<br />
<a href="http://freebeacon.com/blog/marie-harf-barack-obama-and-legitimate-grievances/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://freebeacon.com/blog/marie-harf-barack-obama-and-legitimate-grievances/</a></p>
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					<description><![CDATA[The other arm of their argument just repeated by Eric Holder: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/17/eric-holder-we-re-not-at-a-time-of-war.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;‘We’re Not at a Time of War’&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other arm of their argument just repeated by Eric Holder: <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/17/eric-holder-we-re-not-at-a-time-of-war.html" rel="nofollow">‘We’re Not at a Time of War’</a></p>
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