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		By: Clarityseeker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/02/10/axelrod-admits-obama-lied-nation-yawns/#comment-872407</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clarityseeker]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I already know the answer to my question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I already know the answer to my question.</p>
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		By: Clarityseeker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/02/10/axelrod-admits-obama-lied-nation-yawns/#comment-872406</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clarityseeker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, I think you would have enjoyed Hugh Hewitt&#039;s interview of David Axelrod yesterday.
Here is just one exchange which goes to your post on this subject:

HH: ..........Let me ask you about Alan Dixon. You obviously didn’t like him much. Why did Alan Dixon’s vote for Clarence Thomas bother you so much?

DA: Well, it bothered me for the reasons that were borne out by a book that was later written by a couple of investigative reporters on that nomination. It bothered me, because I felt like he wasn’t voting on the merits. I felt like he had cut a deal to vote for Clarence Thomas in exchange for a weak opponent in his reelection campaign in 1992. And a book was written in which there was a very detailed account of how he went out and played golf with Dan Quayle, and this was discussed, and the deal was cut. And you know, my feeling was that it wasn’t a decision of principle. It was a decision that was based on a deal around the election, and that offended me. But it was also consistent with my feelings about Dixon generally, because he was a guy who was thoroughly consumed by politics, and not all that interested in policy or interested in following a particular point of view. He did what he thought he needed to do to perpetuate himself in office. And Hugh, that’s not unheard of in Washington. That, there are a lot of guys like that. He happened to be my Senator, and I was offended by that.

So-----Mr. Axelrod makes the point that the issue of, &quot;principle&quot;, is why he disliked Mr. Dixon.

BUT-------Mr. Axelrod counseled Barack Obama to LIE about his position on same sex marriage. He LIED to those religious black supporters of his. Mr. Axelrod told Obama to LIE about his religious beliefs.
Is that not an issue of &quot;principle&quot;?

Question: How can Mr. Axelrod be perturbed about Mr. Dixon&#039;s principles and then ask Barack Obama to forego his own; to LIE about his principled positions?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, I think you would have enjoyed Hugh Hewitt&#8217;s interview of David Axelrod yesterday.<br />
Here is just one exchange which goes to your post on this subject:</p>
<p>HH: &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Let me ask you about Alan Dixon. You obviously didn’t like him much. Why did Alan Dixon’s vote for Clarence Thomas bother you so much?</p>
<p>DA: Well, it bothered me for the reasons that were borne out by a book that was later written by a couple of investigative reporters on that nomination. It bothered me, because I felt like he wasn’t voting on the merits. I felt like he had cut a deal to vote for Clarence Thomas in exchange for a weak opponent in his reelection campaign in 1992. And a book was written in which there was a very detailed account of how he went out and played golf with Dan Quayle, and this was discussed, and the deal was cut. And you know, my feeling was that it wasn’t a decision of principle. It was a decision that was based on a deal around the election, and that offended me. But it was also consistent with my feelings about Dixon generally, because he was a guy who was thoroughly consumed by politics, and not all that interested in policy or interested in following a particular point of view. He did what he thought he needed to do to perpetuate himself in office. And Hugh, that’s not unheard of in Washington. That, there are a lot of guys like that. He happened to be my Senator, and I was offended by that.</p>
<p>So&#8212;&#8211;Mr. Axelrod makes the point that the issue of, &#8220;principle&#8221;, is why he disliked Mr. Dixon.</p>
<p>BUT&#8212;&#8212;-Mr. Axelrod counseled Barack Obama to LIE about his position on same sex marriage. He LIED to those religious black supporters of his. Mr. Axelrod told Obama to LIE about his religious beliefs.<br />
Is that not an issue of &#8220;principle&#8221;?</p>
<p>Question: How can Mr. Axelrod be perturbed about Mr. Dixon&#8217;s principles and then ask Barack Obama to forego his own; to LIE about his principled positions?</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/02/10/axelrod-admits-obama-lied-nation-yawns/#comment-872182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KBK: &quot;The weapons inspectors never contradicted that, they claimed they “ran out of time” before they were able to investigate that possibility.&quot;

Do you mean the Iraq Survey Group?

UNMOVIC wasn&#039;t mandated to find Iraq&#039;s WMD. The weapons inspectors weren&#039;t investigators in the detective sense. Rather, UNMOVIC was mandated to verify Iraq was compliant and disarmed according to the UNSCR 687 standard.

The UNMOVIC Cluster Document, presented to the UN Security Council on March 7, 2003 and the principal trigger for OIF, demonstrated Saddam continued to be noncompliant with UNSCR 687 and had failed to prove Iraq was disarmed to the mandated standard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KBK: &#8220;The weapons inspectors never contradicted that, they claimed they “ran out of time” before they were able to investigate that possibility.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean the Iraq Survey Group?</p>
<p>UNMOVIC wasn&#8217;t mandated to find Iraq&#8217;s WMD. The weapons inspectors weren&#8217;t investigators in the detective sense. Rather, UNMOVIC was mandated to verify Iraq was compliant and disarmed according to the UNSCR 687 standard.</p>
<p>The UNMOVIC Cluster Document, presented to the UN Security Council on March 7, 2003 and the principal trigger for OIF, demonstrated Saddam continued to be noncompliant with UNSCR 687 and had failed to prove Iraq was disarmed to the mandated standard.</p>
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		By: KBK		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/02/10/axelrod-admits-obama-lied-nation-yawns/#comment-872031</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KBK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The intelligence reports were not mistaken. From what I learned at the time, the WMD were moved to Syria,  with Russian assistance, about the time we entered Iraq from the south. The weapons inspectors never contradicted that, they claimed they &quot;ran out of time&quot; before they were able to investigate that possibility. Tractor trailers were observed cleaning out facilities and moving the contents to the Syrian border, and the border guards were replaced by Iraqi Republican Guards during the transfers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intelligence reports were not mistaken. From what I learned at the time, the WMD were moved to Syria,  with Russian assistance, about the time we entered Iraq from the south. The weapons inspectors never contradicted that, they claimed they &#8220;ran out of time&#8221; before they were able to investigate that possibility. Tractor trailers were observed cleaning out facilities and moving the contents to the Syrian border, and the border guards were replaced by Iraqi Republican Guards during the transfers.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[another point is that there is no way for such a system to win without lying... 

think hitler would have won under the platform of jew extermination, fomenting a world war in partnerhip with stalin, and so on?   of course not...  yeah, he could claim scapegoats, and the public wont swoon... but if he stood on the podium and said, we will make gas chambers, and we will select people, including your neigbors and shop keepers and we will murder them for a better country... 

it would not sell..   he states a problem and fomented scape goats, but he never actually said what he would do detail, and in fact never worked out the details till AFTER the issue of power aquisition... 

read the long telegram and you know that good governance is not something they care at all about... that this is a sociopathic collusion by people who feel that government is a ganster organization at the top of all of them... 

after all, it was thomas paine that pointed out in common sense that a government of thugs is indistinquishable from being led by criminals... 

they have no desire to have a productive state, they only wish to parasite things to grab them while they can and damn the rest... the ONLY thing that limits them are the actions of other thug states that may commit to war while they are robbing their brethren.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another point is that there is no way for such a system to win without lying&#8230; </p>
<p>think hitler would have won under the platform of jew extermination, fomenting a world war in partnerhip with stalin, and so on?   of course not&#8230;  yeah, he could claim scapegoats, and the public wont swoon&#8230; but if he stood on the podium and said, we will make gas chambers, and we will select people, including your neigbors and shop keepers and we will murder them for a better country&#8230; </p>
<p>it would not sell..   he states a problem and fomented scape goats, but he never actually said what he would do detail, and in fact never worked out the details till AFTER the issue of power aquisition&#8230; </p>
<p>read the long telegram and you know that good governance is not something they care at all about&#8230; that this is a sociopathic collusion by people who feel that government is a ganster organization at the top of all of them&#8230; </p>
<p>after all, it was thomas paine that pointed out in common sense that a government of thugs is indistinquishable from being led by criminals&#8230; </p>
<p>they have no desire to have a productive state, they only wish to parasite things to grab them while they can and damn the rest&#8230; the ONLY thing that limits them are the actions of other thug states that may commit to war while they are robbing their brethren.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What was voted for was the image created by lies, what we got was something else because lies covered the true nature... 

bottom line is that socialists/communists/liberals etc. all lie as a normal course of their methods, not as some kind of fault or wrongness they succumb to in temptation. 

as the long telegram states, the goal is to seek power and more power, and lying is a means to power when your position is untennable to the folks sacrificing their lives to a political position.  

the bottom line in terms of their lying is that they know not only that they are not fit for the job, but that everyone would not want them unless they posed as someone else (or else they would not lie). 

there is no way around this subtle truth that the unfit, unjust, sociopathic, nasty, manipulative, collusive, and worse, HAVE to lie to acquire position for honesty and transparency would weed them out and create a better less self serving service. 

it is impossible for liars by nature to be representatives, or leaders in representative government!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What was voted for was the image created by lies, what we got was something else because lies covered the true nature&#8230; </p>
<p>bottom line is that socialists/communists/liberals etc. all lie as a normal course of their methods, not as some kind of fault or wrongness they succumb to in temptation. </p>
<p>as the long telegram states, the goal is to seek power and more power, and lying is a means to power when your position is untennable to the folks sacrificing their lives to a political position.  </p>
<p>the bottom line in terms of their lying is that they know not only that they are not fit for the job, but that everyone would not want them unless they posed as someone else (or else they would not lie). </p>
<p>there is no way around this subtle truth that the unfit, unjust, sociopathic, nasty, manipulative, collusive, and worse, HAVE to lie to acquire position for honesty and transparency would weed them out and create a better less self serving service. </p>
<p>it is impossible for liars by nature to be representatives, or leaders in representative government!!!</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[g6loq, that was a shocking video.

We dodged a bullet when FDR died before the war&#039;s end. And Churchill was right: the bigger threat, Communism, was not only not defeated, but stronger after WW II.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>g6loq, that was a shocking video.</p>
<p>We dodged a bullet when FDR died before the war&#8217;s end. And Churchill was right: the bigger threat, Communism, was not only not defeated, but stronger after WW II.</p>
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		By: Gary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Axelrod quotes Obama as having told Axelrod &quot;I&#039;m just not very good at bullshitting.&quot; Perhaps Obama didn&#039;t say it... Or perhaps Obama really did say it--but if so he was lying (or mistaken, or too modest) about that because he&#039;s actually an excellent bullshitter.&lt;/i&gt;

This thing is so rich on so many levels, I laughed when I first read it. To begin with, there&#039;s the obvious yet piquant irony of The One who built a his grandiose career atop a 100-story pile of BS saying this. 

Then there&#039;s that faux modesty King Barack affects (ever the astute narcissist, he has learned to mimic this behavior, but has no real feel for it). So I fancied His Royal Highness in this situation struggling mightily to stifle his true feelings, the urge to brag at Axelrod that he is &lt;i&gt;the greatest bullshitter who ever lived&lt;/i&gt;, The One who can move mountains with a mere fleck of his herculean, omnipotent bullshit!

The upshot being that Obama coyly saying &quot;I&#039;m just not very good at bullshitting.&quot; is itself just more bullshitting.

But is it true that Alexrod replied, &quot;Don&#039;t bullshit a bullshitter, Mr President.&quot;? No, that&#039;s just bullshit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Axelrod quotes Obama as having told Axelrod &#8220;I&#8217;m just not very good at bullshitting.&#8221; Perhaps Obama didn&#8217;t say it&#8230; Or perhaps Obama really did say it&#8211;but if so he was lying (or mistaken, or too modest) about that because he&#8217;s actually an excellent bullshitter.</i></p>
<p>This thing is so rich on so many levels, I laughed when I first read it. To begin with, there&#8217;s the obvious yet piquant irony of The One who built a his grandiose career atop a 100-story pile of BS saying this. </p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s that faux modesty King Barack affects (ever the astute narcissist, he has learned to mimic this behavior, but has no real feel for it). So I fancied His Royal Highness in this situation struggling mightily to stifle his true feelings, the urge to brag at Axelrod that he is <i>the greatest bullshitter who ever lived</i>, The One who can move mountains with a mere fleck of his herculean, omnipotent bullshit!</p>
<p>The upshot being that Obama coyly saying &#8220;I&#8217;m just not very good at bullshitting.&#8221; is itself just more bullshitting.</p>
<p>But is it true that Alexrod replied, &#8220;Don&#8217;t bullshit a bullshitter, Mr President.&#8221;? No, that&#8217;s just bullshit.</p>
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		By: g6loq		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[g6loq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[2:05 excruciating minutes: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF-oN3B1PA&#038;feature=youtu.be

we are in 1937, maybe 1938 ...
I blame the voters.
 TWICE!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2:05 excruciating minutes:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF-oN3B1PA&#038;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDF-oN3B1PA&#038;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
<p>we are in 1937, maybe 1938 &#8230;<br />
I blame the voters.<br />
 TWICE!</p>
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		By: kcom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kcom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 03:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t wait until the next Republican president strolls into office and plays the Obama card. &quot;Look at this huge mess I inherited. Nothing&#039;s my fault.&quot; Etc. Do you think the press will let that dog hunt?

And I do believe we will have a huge mess because Obama is going out of his way to ignore serious problems he&#039;s just not interested in dealing with. And after they fester for a couple more years they&#039;ll be even worse. It&#039;s like he only wants to be president of the things he wants to be president of. Screw the rest. I don&#039;t know how he possibly squares that with the idea (implicit in his blaming of President Bush) that a president has an obligation to turn things over to his successor in better shape than he inherited them. Clinton turned over his lack of diligence in squashing Osama bin Laden and we got 9/11 as a result. I&#039;m afraid we&#039;re going to get treated to Act II when Obama turns things over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait until the next Republican president strolls into office and plays the Obama card. &#8220;Look at this huge mess I inherited. Nothing&#8217;s my fault.&#8221; Etc. Do you think the press will let that dog hunt?</p>
<p>And I do believe we will have a huge mess because Obama is going out of his way to ignore serious problems he&#8217;s just not interested in dealing with. And after they fester for a couple more years they&#8217;ll be even worse. It&#8217;s like he only wants to be president of the things he wants to be president of. Screw the rest. I don&#8217;t know how he possibly squares that with the idea (implicit in his blaming of President Bush) that a president has an obligation to turn things over to his successor in better shape than he inherited them. Clinton turned over his lack of diligence in squashing Osama bin Laden and we got 9/11 as a result. I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;re going to get treated to Act II when Obama turns things over.</p>
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