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		By: DNW		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;neo-neocon Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 6:31 pm

DNW:

I have almost no friends who would ever consider voting for a Republican, even if that person had five PhDs, so the first question is completely moot.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So it would be pointless to ask as to whether they judge that Walker is in principle as intellectually qualified to hold office as Teddy Kennedy or Joe Biden?

Would they refuse as an intellectual exercise on their part? Probably. They would likely say they&#039;d rather have Alcee Hastings as president than Walker.


&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot; For the small group of what for want of a better term I’ll call Reagan Democrats, the criticism of him for his lack of degree could backfire and cause people to like him more. Not because they have degrees or don’t have them (although I suppose that could enter into it, too), but because they realize degrees are irrelevant as far as common sense and smarts go.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The Reagan Democrats, as literal Democrat Reagan supporters, prosperous skilled trades blue collar workers from supposed bellwether counties like Macomb County, Michigan, are either mostly dead now, or in nursing homes.

Some of their children, fewer in number proportionately, and either better educated having moved up, or worse off, having been shut out of a dysfunctional economy, may vote for Walker. But, if so, it will likely be because that they are pissed off at being played for fools by their own &quot;catch the wave&quot; naivete in voting for Obama.

Or not. A not-really-Cherokee Cherokee woman may excite their emotions and yearnings for government love just as much as Obama did.

Some people never learn or take responsibility for their own lives. That&#039;s why they are Democrats in the first place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>neo-neocon Says:<br />
February 10th, 2015 at 6:31 pm</p>
<p>DNW:</p>
<p>I have almost no friends who would ever consider voting for a Republican, even if that person had five PhDs, so the first question is completely moot.</p></blockquote>
<p>So it would be pointless to ask as to whether they judge that Walker is in principle as intellectually qualified to hold office as Teddy Kennedy or Joe Biden?</p>
<p>Would they refuse as an intellectual exercise on their part? Probably. They would likely say they&#8217;d rather have Alcee Hastings as president than Walker.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8221; For the small group of what for want of a better term I’ll call Reagan Democrats, the criticism of him for his lack of degree could backfire and cause people to like him more. Not because they have degrees or don’t have them (although I suppose that could enter into it, too), but because they realize degrees are irrelevant as far as common sense and smarts go.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The Reagan Democrats, as literal Democrat Reagan supporters, prosperous skilled trades blue collar workers from supposed bellwether counties like Macomb County, Michigan, are either mostly dead now, or in nursing homes.</p>
<p>Some of their children, fewer in number proportionately, and either better educated having moved up, or worse off, having been shut out of a dysfunctional economy, may vote for Walker. But, if so, it will likely be because that they are pissed off at being played for fools by their own &#8220;catch the wave&#8221; naivete in voting for Obama.</p>
<p>Or not. A not-really-Cherokee Cherokee woman may excite their emotions and yearnings for government love just as much as Obama did.</p>
<p>Some people never learn or take responsibility for their own lives. That&#8217;s why they are Democrats in the first place.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Say, Neo, old buddy old pal,

Thought I&#039;d share this from this morning&#039;s [e-mail] in box ...

E-mail header:

Subject: Thursday&#039;s Headlines: As Scott Walker mulls White House bid, questions linger over college exit 
Date: 2/12/2015 7:18:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time 
From: email@e.washingtonpost.com 


Body of mail:


The morning&#039;s most important stories, selected by Post editors and staff  -  Thu., Feb. 12, 2015 


View in your Web browser 
 
TOP STORIES 

Putin announces cease-fire deal with Ukraine 
MOSCOW –European leaders announced Thursday that a cease-fire deal beginning ...

  
Within NBC, an intense debate over whether to fire Brian Williams  ...

BEIJING – When Zhang Yufen’s husband finally admitted to having an affair and left her to live with his mistress, clearing...

CIA scales back presence and operations in Yemen, home of potent al-Qaeda affiliate ...

&lt;b&gt;As Scott Walker mulls White House bid, questions linger over college exit MILWAUKEE – Scott Walker was gone. Dropped out. And in the spring of his senior year. In 1990, that news stunned his friends at Marquette University. Walker, the campus’s suit-wearing, Reagan-loving politico – who enjoyed the place so much that he had run for student body president – had left without graduating.  Read full article » &lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say, Neo, old buddy old pal,</p>
<p>Thought I&#8217;d share this from this morning&#8217;s [e-mail] in box &#8230;</p>
<p>E-mail header:</p>
<p>Subject: Thursday&#8217;s Headlines: As Scott Walker mulls White House bid, questions linger over college exit<br />
Date: 2/12/2015 7:18:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time<br />
From: <a href="mailto:email@e.washingtonpost.com">email@e.washingtonpost.com</a> </p>
<p>Body of mail:</p>
<p>The morning&#8217;s most important stories, selected by Post editors and staff  &#8211;  Thu., Feb. 12, 2015 </p>
<p>View in your Web browser </p>
<p>TOP STORIES </p>
<p>Putin announces cease-fire deal with Ukraine<br />
MOSCOW –European leaders announced Thursday that a cease-fire deal beginning &#8230;</p>
<p>Within NBC, an intense debate over whether to fire Brian Williams  &#8230;</p>
<p>BEIJING – When Zhang Yufen’s husband finally admitted to having an affair and left her to live with his mistress, clearing&#8230;</p>
<p>CIA scales back presence and operations in Yemen, home of potent al-Qaeda affiliate &#8230;</p>
<p><b>As Scott Walker mulls White House bid, questions linger over college exit MILWAUKEE – Scott Walker was gone. Dropped out. And in the spring of his senior year. In 1990, that news stunned his friends at Marquette University. Walker, the campus’s suit-wearing, Reagan-loving politico – who enjoyed the place so much that he had run for student body president – had left without graduating.  Read full article » </b></p>
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		By: M of Hollywood		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/02/09/the-ny-times-has-trouble/#comment-872057</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think this shows that they dread Scott.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this shows that they dread Scott.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

I have almost no friends who would ever consider voting for a Republican, even if that person had five PhDs, so the first question is completely moot.

As for your second point---I didn&#039;t mean those blue-collar Democrats who, likewise, are solid yellow-dog Democrats.  I didn&#039;t make myself clear enough,  but I&#039;ll clarify now by saying I meant the sort of blue-collar Democrat who ended up voting for Reagan, the sort who is more moderate and middle-of-the-road.  There are far fewer of them than there were in Reagan&#039;s day, but they still exist.

In summary: I think Walker&#039;s lack of degree won&#039;t bother conservatives and Republicans, and those Independents who lean Republican.  Liberals and the left were never ever going to vote for him anyway.  So for all those groups his lack of degree doesn&#039;t matter one way or another.  For the small group of what for want of a better term I&#039;ll call Reagan Democrats, the criticism of him for his lack of degree could backfire and cause people to like him more.  Not because they have degrees or don&#039;t have them (although I suppose that could enter into it, too), but because they realize degrees are irrelevant as far as common sense and smarts go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW:</p>
<p>I have almost no friends who would ever consider voting for a Republican, even if that person had five PhDs, so the first question is completely moot.</p>
<p>As for your second point&#8212;I didn&#8217;t mean those blue-collar Democrats who, likewise, are solid yellow-dog Democrats.  I didn&#8217;t make myself clear enough,  but I&#8217;ll clarify now by saying I meant the sort of blue-collar Democrat who ended up voting for Reagan, the sort who is more moderate and middle-of-the-road.  There are far fewer of them than there were in Reagan&#8217;s day, but they still exist.</p>
<p>In summary: I think Walker&#8217;s lack of degree won&#8217;t bother conservatives and Republicans, and those Independents who lean Republican.  Liberals and the left were never ever going to vote for him anyway.  So for all those groups his lack of degree doesn&#8217;t matter one way or another.  For the small group of what for want of a better term I&#8217;ll call Reagan Democrats, the criticism of him for his lack of degree could backfire and cause people to like him more.  Not because they have degrees or don&#8217;t have them (although I suppose that could enter into it, too), but because they realize degrees are irrelevant as far as common sense and smarts go.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon Says:
February 10th, 2015 at 1:59 pm

DNW:

I actually think the college issue won’t gain any traction, and that it could even backfire with blue-collar Democrats, whom the Democrats need to retain in order to win in 2016.&quot;

Ok two issues

1, no traction in general

2, backfire with blue-collar Democrats


Regarding 1. Try it out with your friends. If they know anything about Walker they probably &quot;know&quot; that he is an &quot;enemy of unions&quot; and lacks a university degree.

See whether they will admit he is &quot;intellectually qualified&quot; to be president, if not in their estimation, &quot;ideologically&quot;.

And really who needs traction when you have a media drumbeat that will continue forever regardless?

Regarding 2. What, blue collar democrats? They died off 20 years ago. 

Do you think that the current population inhabiting that social niche, or the present version of it, i.e., people who acknowledge that they are not competent as a class to deal with their own medical issues, really will insist that someone like themselves [presumably] in one way, yet conservative in a way that they are not, is smart enough to be president?

Do you really think that they will say to themselves that: &quot;&lt;i&gt;Scott Walker a Republican, lacks some of the same credentials I lack. Now he is being attacked by the people I generally politically identify with for that shortfall, rather than on the issues. As a person who lacks these credentials, I feel slighted. I will stand in solidarity with Scott Walker, conservative, Republican, because it would hurt me if people said those nasty and slighting things about me.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon Says:<br />
February 10th, 2015 at 1:59 pm</p>
<p>DNW:</p>
<p>I actually think the college issue won’t gain any traction, and that it could even backfire with blue-collar Democrats, whom the Democrats need to retain in order to win in 2016.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok two issues</p>
<p>1, no traction in general</p>
<p>2, backfire with blue-collar Democrats</p>
<p>Regarding 1. Try it out with your friends. If they know anything about Walker they probably &#8220;know&#8221; that he is an &#8220;enemy of unions&#8221; and lacks a university degree.</p>
<p>See whether they will admit he is &#8220;intellectually qualified&#8221; to be president, if not in their estimation, &#8220;ideologically&#8221;.</p>
<p>And really who needs traction when you have a media drumbeat that will continue forever regardless?</p>
<p>Regarding 2. What, blue collar democrats? They died off 20 years ago. </p>
<p>Do you think that the current population inhabiting that social niche, or the present version of it, i.e., people who acknowledge that they are not competent as a class to deal with their own medical issues, really will insist that someone like themselves [presumably] in one way, yet conservative in a way that they are not, is smart enough to be president?</p>
<p>Do you really think that they will say to themselves that: &#8220;<i>Scott Walker a Republican, lacks some of the same credentials I lack. Now he is being attacked by the people I generally politically identify with for that shortfall, rather than on the issues. As a person who lacks these credentials, I feel slighted. I will stand in solidarity with Scott Walker, conservative, Republican, because it would hurt me if people said those nasty and slighting things about me.</i>&#8220;</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

I actually think the college issue won&#039;t gain any traction, and that it could even backfire with blue-collar Democrats, whom the Democrats need to retain in order to win in 2016.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW:</p>
<p>I actually think the college issue won&#8217;t gain any traction, and that it could even backfire with blue-collar Democrats, whom the Democrats need to retain in order to win in 2016.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ok, who&#039;s the smart ass who wrote, &quot;buy&quot; in my comment?

Well, at least a straddle strike is plausible in this instance. 

And it was intentional anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, who&#8217;s the smart ass who wrote, &#8220;buy&#8221; in my comment?</p>
<p>Well, at least a straddle strike is plausible in this instance. </p>
<p>And it was intentional anyway.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Walker will never get in. His college record will become the most important issue since global warming and campus date rape.

And will be dealt with buy the media in the same manner.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walker will never get in. His college record will become the most important issue since global warming and campus date rape.</p>
<p>And will be dealt with buy the media in the same manner.</p>
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		By: SCOTTthe BADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Put a Badger in the White House!]]></description>
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		By: parker		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The left always telegraph what they fear. They fear Walker in 2016 more than they feared Palin in 2008. Put the gop establishment onto the dunce chair and we might have a winner in 2016. Walker/Sessions!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left always telegraph what they fear. They fear Walker in 2016 more than they feared Palin in 2008. Put the gop establishment onto the dunce chair and we might have a winner in 2016. Walker/Sessions!</p>
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