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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,
I think there is a difference between normal immigration and accepting asylum seekers. I believe much of the outrage has to do with accepting masses of people from Syria requesting asylum. It also has to do with EU policies and people from Africa using Italy as a point of entry and then having freedom to move anywhere within the EU. It also has to do with towns having to fund housing and other things for asylum seekers. It is a very muddled picture that the government has been unable to breakdown into rational segments with rational answers to the general population. The utopian ideas of the EU fanatics are very hard to combat and are to some extent shared by some CDU supporters. We have the white guilt phenomenon; they have the Nazi guilt problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,<br />
I think there is a difference between normal immigration and accepting asylum seekers. I believe much of the outrage has to do with accepting masses of people from Syria requesting asylum. It also has to do with EU policies and people from Africa using Italy as a point of entry and then having freedom to move anywhere within the EU. It also has to do with towns having to fund housing and other things for asylum seekers. It is a very muddled picture that the government has been unable to breakdown into rational segments with rational answers to the general population. The utopian ideas of the EU fanatics are very hard to combat and are to some extent shared by some CDU supporters. We have the white guilt phenomenon; they have the Nazi guilt problem.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/23/richard-landes-knows-france/#comment-866073</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Unfortunately, they can be tumbled if the opposition parties join together. This would, of course, give the Left party some seats in government.&lt;/b&gt;

From an American point of view, Merkel is a better person to negotiate with concerning American interests than say, the previous anti American SDP leaders during 2003.

However, if we&#039;re looking at the plight of the German or European people, Merke&#039;s interest in immigration to bolster their economy and promoting immigration for votes to avoid being ousted by the other parties, is not good enough.

Germany has a thing against the Nazis or the neo Nazis, going out of their way to outlaw certain things even. Thus if Merkel is going on that bandwagon, it&#039;s not that they think there&#039;s a threat from the Nazis, it&#039;s that they think if Merkel doesn&#039;t go against the Nazis, the national socialists in the SDP will take power instead. That&#039;s basically what your argument leads to, when you highlight the real political situation there.

If Merkel is doing what she does because she might otherwise lost her control of the portfolio, because the Grand Coalition collapses, then that has little to do with ensuring the safety of Germany from an Islamic invasion. It also has little to do with suppressing extremists and Nazis.

The FDP got voted out of their parliament or whatever it is they call it. There&#039;s still a representative, somewhere, but I don&#039;t think it counts for coalition building purposes in acquiring a majority for the PM. I wasn&#039;t questioning Merkel&#039;s reason for gaining a majority, her options were limited. However, a Grand Coalition of that nature has a kind of cost, in terms of political compromises.


The last time I saw a demographic map, like the blue/red split in the US, was more than 10 years ago. However, during that time it got real obvious that the majorities preferred the SPD in former Eastern block territories while the CDU had a significant advantage in the opposite. As with US politics, the loyalty of the people determines how far a political party can get in a region. In cities that are primarily Democrat owned, Republican control is non existent, such as in Detroit or New Orleans. Even if the overall state is less corrupt or more Republican split, the local policies are controlled by the one with the dominant power structure. 


In the US, they use gun laws and the IRS and the ATF and police swat raids to disappear people, legally or not. In Germany, the laws against nazis and racism against immigrants, looks to be about as effective. That&#039;s why the Nazis are their boogeymen. Although as I said, I would be more personally concerned about the Stasi and the SPD.

Merkel is not going to be able to stop the SPD by replacing Germans with Islamic Jihadists, no matter what the polls say. Sweden, Norway, France, and Britain with their rape capital sex slave cities have already tried that. It doesn&#039;t seem to be working.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Unfortunately, they can be tumbled if the opposition parties join together. This would, of course, give the Left party some seats in government.</b></p>
<p>From an American point of view, Merkel is a better person to negotiate with concerning American interests than say, the previous anti American SDP leaders during 2003.</p>
<p>However, if we&#8217;re looking at the plight of the German or European people, Merke&#8217;s interest in immigration to bolster their economy and promoting immigration for votes to avoid being ousted by the other parties, is not good enough.</p>
<p>Germany has a thing against the Nazis or the neo Nazis, going out of their way to outlaw certain things even. Thus if Merkel is going on that bandwagon, it&#8217;s not that they think there&#8217;s a threat from the Nazis, it&#8217;s that they think if Merkel doesn&#8217;t go against the Nazis, the national socialists in the SDP will take power instead. That&#8217;s basically what your argument leads to, when you highlight the real political situation there.</p>
<p>If Merkel is doing what she does because she might otherwise lost her control of the portfolio, because the Grand Coalition collapses, then that has little to do with ensuring the safety of Germany from an Islamic invasion. It also has little to do with suppressing extremists and Nazis.</p>
<p>The FDP got voted out of their parliament or whatever it is they call it. There&#8217;s still a representative, somewhere, but I don&#8217;t think it counts for coalition building purposes in acquiring a majority for the PM. I wasn&#8217;t questioning Merkel&#8217;s reason for gaining a majority, her options were limited. However, a Grand Coalition of that nature has a kind of cost, in terms of political compromises.</p>
<p>The last time I saw a demographic map, like the blue/red split in the US, was more than 10 years ago. However, during that time it got real obvious that the majorities preferred the SPD in former Eastern block territories while the CDU had a significant advantage in the opposite. As with US politics, the loyalty of the people determines how far a political party can get in a region. In cities that are primarily Democrat owned, Republican control is non existent, such as in Detroit or New Orleans. Even if the overall state is less corrupt or more Republican split, the local policies are controlled by the one with the dominant power structure. </p>
<p>In the US, they use gun laws and the IRS and the ATF and police swat raids to disappear people, legally or not. In Germany, the laws against nazis and racism against immigrants, looks to be about as effective. That&#8217;s why the Nazis are their boogeymen. Although as I said, I would be more personally concerned about the Stasi and the SPD.</p>
<p>Merkel is not going to be able to stop the SPD by replacing Germans with Islamic Jihadists, no matter what the polls say. Sweden, Norway, France, and Britain with their rape capital sex slave cities have already tried that. It doesn&#8217;t seem to be working.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 02:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;You seem to think that Pegida is the main way to stop the jihad. &lt;/b&gt;

I didn&#039;t cover that in any fashion. What I was replying to was the belief that Pegida is a neo nazi group or that there&#039;s some kind of threat to the German politic body that there is symbols of the nazis somewhere related.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>You seem to think that Pegida is the main way to stop the jihad. </b></p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t cover that in any fashion. What I was replying to was the belief that Pegida is a neo nazi group or that there&#8217;s some kind of threat to the German politic body that there is symbols of the nazis somewhere related.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Parker: 
French leftist societal engineers going a bridge too far:
http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2015/01/forcing-diversity-on-rural-france.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parker:<br />
French leftist societal engineers going a bridge too far:<br />
<a href="http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2015/01/forcing-diversity-on-rural-france.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/2015/01/forcing-diversity-on-rural-france.html</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar, expat:
the Scandinavians went full multi-kulti for some reasons. This piece bring PEGIDA into the context:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5140/norway-islam-multiculturalism

It is all over but for the shouting. Polish your steel helmets ..... Several Charles Martel will reveal themselves. It has happened before ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar, expat:<br />
the Scandinavians went full multi-kulti for some reasons. This piece bring PEGIDA into the context:<br />
<a href="http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5140/norway-islam-multiculturalism" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5140/norway-islam-multiculturalism</a></p>
<p>It is all over but for the shouting. Polish your steel helmets &#8230;.. Several Charles Martel will reveal themselves. It has happened before &#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar,
I certainly do not get all my information from one source in Germany. I am also aware of the parties and positions of German politicians, and I think Sigmar Gabriel is an idiot. However, there are some who see the situation pretty clearly. Are you aware that Otto Schilly, the former SPD minister of the interior who praised John Ashcroft for his work in coordinating security policies in the West post 9/11? The people who have actual responsibility for such things and who actually see the intelligence reports are not so naive.
Also, as the Pegida movent started, I began to wonder how much the leftists in the East were supporting it. The SPD did not arise in the East. It&#039;s strong areas are places in the north like Hamburg and Westphalia, and there it is much a union-supporting group. Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, SPD, is the one who pushed Carter to station missiles along the East West border to counter the Russian missiles. It was the leftie peaceniks who hated him. It was also the rise of the Greens that made coalition building so difficult in Germany. They are the worst multicultis in Germany, and the do overestimate the dangers from Neo-Nazis. Unfortunately, much of the media merely echoes their program, be it multiculti, pro Hans Blix, or anti-GMO.

However the CDU has some clear-thinking politicians like Sché¤uble and Bosbach, who have seriously been following the rise of radicals. I have no problem with them wanting to counter an East movement. They have to keep the politics in mind because if they loose power, the nuts take over. It was the CDU that put the brakes on taking Turkey into the EU, and they managed to do it in a way that didn&#039;t push uninformed voters into the other camp. There are many fronts on which they have to fight, from bailing out Greece to restraining Putin. It&#039;s a tough line to tread and impossible to follow without missteps. Their previous ally, the FDP, has totally lost it after it went the coolness path with gay (translate &quot;cool&quot;) Guido Westerwelle, who demanded the job of foreign minister because he thought it was his legacy even though he had no clue about foreign affairs. You also have to remember that it was Merkel who stopped Obama&#039;s campaign speech at the Brandenburg Gate, and she was practically the only politician that didn&#039;t drool over him. The smart ones in the CDU are more aware of the real world than any other party. Unfortunately, they can be tumbled if the opposition parties join together. This would, of course, give the Left party some seats in government. 

You seem to think that Pegida is the main way to stop the jihad. I don&#039;t. I think it is a possible way to destroy any coherent government in Germany. Once you get a crowd frothing at the bit, it&#039;s a bit difficult to determine who will grab the reins. The fact that this movement is coming from the East, doesn&#039;t reassure me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar,<br />
I certainly do not get all my information from one source in Germany. I am also aware of the parties and positions of German politicians, and I think Sigmar Gabriel is an idiot. However, there are some who see the situation pretty clearly. Are you aware that Otto Schilly, the former SPD minister of the interior who praised John Ashcroft for his work in coordinating security policies in the West post 9/11? The people who have actual responsibility for such things and who actually see the intelligence reports are not so naive.<br />
Also, as the Pegida movent started, I began to wonder how much the leftists in the East were supporting it. The SPD did not arise in the East. It&#8217;s strong areas are places in the north like Hamburg and Westphalia, and there it is much a union-supporting group. Chancellor Helmut Schmidt, SPD, is the one who pushed Carter to station missiles along the East West border to counter the Russian missiles. It was the leftie peaceniks who hated him. It was also the rise of the Greens that made coalition building so difficult in Germany. They are the worst multicultis in Germany, and the do overestimate the dangers from Neo-Nazis. Unfortunately, much of the media merely echoes their program, be it multiculti, pro Hans Blix, or anti-GMO.</p>
<p>However the CDU has some clear-thinking politicians like Sché¤uble and Bosbach, who have seriously been following the rise of radicals. I have no problem with them wanting to counter an East movement. They have to keep the politics in mind because if they loose power, the nuts take over. It was the CDU that put the brakes on taking Turkey into the EU, and they managed to do it in a way that didn&#8217;t push uninformed voters into the other camp. There are many fronts on which they have to fight, from bailing out Greece to restraining Putin. It&#8217;s a tough line to tread and impossible to follow without missteps. Their previous ally, the FDP, has totally lost it after it went the coolness path with gay (translate &#8220;cool&#8221;) Guido Westerwelle, who demanded the job of foreign minister because he thought it was his legacy even though he had no clue about foreign affairs. You also have to remember that it was Merkel who stopped Obama&#8217;s campaign speech at the Brandenburg Gate, and she was practically the only politician that didn&#8217;t drool over him. The smart ones in the CDU are more aware of the real world than any other party. Unfortunately, they can be tumbled if the opposition parties join together. This would, of course, give the Left party some seats in government. </p>
<p>You seem to think that Pegida is the main way to stop the jihad. I don&#8217;t. I think it is a possible way to destroy any coherent government in Germany. Once you get a crowd frothing at the bit, it&#8217;s a bit difficult to determine who will grab the reins. The fact that this movement is coming from the East, doesn&#8217;t reassure me.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Correction. SPD

Specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany

Social Democratic Party, SPD... get it? German wording.

Btw, Ann&#039;s Vice Chancellor? SPD is led by Sigmar Gabriel. Grand Coalition puts him as the Vice Chancellor... get it?

Get what that means? That&#039;s like Hussein Obola being Romney or Bush&#039;s vice president or sec treasurer, almost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction. SPD</p>
<p>Specifically <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Democratic_Party_of_Germany</a></p>
<p>Social Democratic Party, SPD&#8230; get it? German wording.</p>
<p>Btw, Ann&#8217;s Vice Chancellor? SPD is led by Sigmar Gabriel. Grand Coalition puts him as the Vice Chancellor&#8230; get it?</p>
<p>Get what that means? That&#8217;s like Hussein Obola being Romney or Bush&#8217;s vice president or sec treasurer, almost.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Christian Democrats, Merkel, and the SDP, the socialist German party, are in a grand coalition.


CDU I think it was, gets votes primarily from West Germany, meaning the free market areas under Allied control. SDP is usually an East German phenomenon. 

I notice how people like to talk about neo Nazis in Germany, but don&#039;t usually talk about the East German Stasi secret police. Given that many of the Stasi force disappeared and reintegrated into German culture, I would be personally worried about them and their socialist/communist masters more. In the long run, those psychopaths are a lot better organized.

German politics has been kind of funny ever since East and West united. The fact that they are using neo Nazis as an excuse to hunt down dissidents, is kind of ironic. If they were using the Stasi excuse, Merkel would get into trouble with the SDP. How Merkel&#039;s Christians Democrats can share power with the SDP for this long, that&#039;s another funny question.

Just what have the German socialists been doing during this time?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christian Democrats, Merkel, and the SDP, the socialist German party, are in a grand coalition.</p>
<p>CDU I think it was, gets votes primarily from West Germany, meaning the free market areas under Allied control. SDP is usually an East German phenomenon. </p>
<p>I notice how people like to talk about neo Nazis in Germany, but don&#8217;t usually talk about the East German Stasi secret police. Given that many of the Stasi force disappeared and reintegrated into German culture, I would be personally worried about them and their socialist/communist masters more. In the long run, those psychopaths are a lot better organized.</p>
<p>German politics has been kind of funny ever since East and West united. The fact that they are using neo Nazis as an excuse to hunt down dissidents, is kind of ironic. If they were using the Stasi excuse, Merkel would get into trouble with the SDP. How Merkel&#8217;s Christians Democrats can share power with the SDP for this long, that&#8217;s another funny question.</p>
<p>Just what have the German socialists been doing during this time?</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ann and expat don&#039;t live in the US so their media input is foreign. That&#039;s what I take away from the style. That doesn&#039;t necessarily cripple an intel analyst&#039;s abilities, since the internet frees them of such, but it is very limiting.

Trying to judge US capabilities from a foreign propaganda point of view, is problematic. Trying to judge the European&#039;s own status quo by looking at their own propaganda, is also problematic.

The truth is not a high priority. If it was, Sweden wouldn&#039;t be covering up their Muslim rape invasion force they wanted to get in. Does any of this make sense? I don&#039;t think it has to make sense. It&#039;s war, after all.

Basically, the Left is winning because people think their victories mean that Pegida&#039;s leader is X, because he&#039;s been disappeared. The thing is... what makes you think the Left won&#039;t disappear you in Europe right now, when it works on high level political leaders? Hrm? You aren&#039;t protected by US Dominion forces or US Pax Americana, you realize that, right. This is not US politics, even if it was about politics. This is European control right now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann and expat don&#8217;t live in the US so their media input is foreign. That&#8217;s what I take away from the style. That doesn&#8217;t necessarily cripple an intel analyst&#8217;s abilities, since the internet frees them of such, but it is very limiting.</p>
<p>Trying to judge US capabilities from a foreign propaganda point of view, is problematic. Trying to judge the European&#8217;s own status quo by looking at their own propaganda, is also problematic.</p>
<p>The truth is not a high priority. If it was, Sweden wouldn&#8217;t be covering up their Muslim rape invasion force they wanted to get in. Does any of this make sense? I don&#8217;t think it has to make sense. It&#8217;s war, after all.</p>
<p>Basically, the Left is winning because people think their victories mean that Pegida&#8217;s leader is X, because he&#8217;s been disappeared. The thing is&#8230; what makes you think the Left won&#8217;t disappear you in Europe right now, when it works on high level political leaders? Hrm? You aren&#8217;t protected by US Dominion forces or US Pax Americana, you realize that, right. This is not US politics, even if it was about politics. This is European control right now.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is much to joke about the KKK as it was the terrorist arm of the Democ.rat party and they spent much time lynching republican ... We know the name, we see through the narrative ...
I blame the voters...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is much to joke about the KKK as it was the terrorist arm of the Democ.rat party and they spent much time lynching republican &#8230; We know the name, we see through the narrative &#8230;<br />
I blame the voters&#8230;</p>
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