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		By: DonS		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859572</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DonS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2015 03:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Republicans have governed irresponsibly when they’ve had power, ballooning the debt with corporate welfare and a reckless shoot first foreign policy, when they’re not trying to push their big government morality into people’s bedroom.&lt;/i&gt;

The debt is ballooning due to policies set in place by Democrats.

The &quot;reckless shoot first policy&quot; was bipartisan, receiving nearly 40% of Dem House votes and over 60% Dem Senate votes, not to mention Obama has yet to find a VP or SoS who did not vote for the Iraq War. What happened is that Dems undercut the war when it would help them politically, because power, not principles or national interest, is what motivates them. 

The idea Republicans are trying to push public morality into the bedroom is Dem hysteria. It is the Dems pushing for &quot;Yes means yes&quot; laws, and otherwise are attempting to intrude upon every aspect of private life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Republicans have governed irresponsibly when they’ve had power, ballooning the debt with corporate welfare and a reckless shoot first foreign policy, when they’re not trying to push their big government morality into people’s bedroom.</i></p>
<p>The debt is ballooning due to policies set in place by Democrats.</p>
<p>The &#8220;reckless shoot first policy&#8221; was bipartisan, receiving nearly 40% of Dem House votes and over 60% Dem Senate votes, not to mention Obama has yet to find a VP or SoS who did not vote for the Iraq War. What happened is that Dems undercut the war when it would help them politically, because power, not principles or national interest, is what motivates them. </p>
<p>The idea Republicans are trying to push public morality into the bedroom is Dem hysteria. It is the Dems pushing for &#8220;Yes means yes&#8221; laws, and otherwise are attempting to intrude upon every aspect of private life.</p>
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		By: Exasperated		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859467</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 20:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why isn&#039;t it enough to say that guns are the great equalizer? Why must the less aggressive, smaller, weaker, more vulnerable be subject to the ancient law of the jungle where the violent, aggressive and physically endowed have all the power?  Isn&#039;t this what drives gun ownership among women?  When seconds count, the cops are several minutes away, if you are lucky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why isn&#8217;t it enough to say that guns are the great equalizer? Why must the less aggressive, smaller, weaker, more vulnerable be subject to the ancient law of the jungle where the violent, aggressive and physically endowed have all the power?  Isn&#8217;t this what drives gun ownership among women?  When seconds count, the cops are several minutes away, if you are lucky.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859445</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The sole intent and purpose of a gun is to propel a small projectile. The sole intent and purpose of premeditated abortion is to terminate a wholly innocent human life.

The gun control advocates lose credibility with their mistaken priorities. More human lives are lost in planned parenthood rituals through lethal injection, decapitation, and dismemberment than during capital punishment, wars, Islamic State terrorism, and mass shotings combined over the same period.

Gopnik loses credibility when he demonstrates an illogical understanding of risk management. Premeditated abortion carried out in a back-alley, where the mother faces the same risk of mortality as her child, would reduce the number of premeditated abortion cases. Effectively, nature acts in self-defense on behalf of the unarmed child.

Both lose credibility if they believe that government and criminals will not maintain access to guns. The latter simply because they ignore proscriptive measures. It is ridiculous to grant them an exclusive right to enjoy this leverage. The first responders are the people on the scene, usually the intended victims, not governments agents.

Shooting has multiple intents, that do not necessarily included committing murder. Premeditated abortion has only one intent: to torture or murder a human life. Even while fighting wars, there is a concern for causing collateral damage. While premeditated abortion has only one intent and purpose: to cause collateral damage. That is to say, premeditated abortion has the sole intent and purpose to terminate a wholly innocent human life with a sincerely held prejudice (e.g. &quot;burden&quot;).

As for Newtown, the guy first murdered his mother, then he claimed possession of her guns, and finally he committed mass murder. The mother did not perceive the risk posed by her son; neither did his psychiatrist. Unfortunately, gun control would not have stopped her son from taking possession of his dead mother&#039;s licensed guns and then running amuck.

The gun did not malfunction.  The human wielding the gun malfunctioned.  The mother failed to properly assess the risk posed by her son.  She lost her life and her deranged son claimed possession of her licensed guns.  That said, the first-responders are rarely authorized personnel, typically government agents; but rather the people at the scene, including the intended victims.  It would be unconscionable to deprive them of an effective means to carry out self-defense and respond to a mortal threat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sole intent and purpose of a gun is to propel a small projectile. The sole intent and purpose of premeditated abortion is to terminate a wholly innocent human life.</p>
<p>The gun control advocates lose credibility with their mistaken priorities. More human lives are lost in planned parenthood rituals through lethal injection, decapitation, and dismemberment than during capital punishment, wars, Islamic State terrorism, and mass shotings combined over the same period.</p>
<p>Gopnik loses credibility when he demonstrates an illogical understanding of risk management. Premeditated abortion carried out in a back-alley, where the mother faces the same risk of mortality as her child, would reduce the number of premeditated abortion cases. Effectively, nature acts in self-defense on behalf of the unarmed child.</p>
<p>Both lose credibility if they believe that government and criminals will not maintain access to guns. The latter simply because they ignore proscriptive measures. It is ridiculous to grant them an exclusive right to enjoy this leverage. The first responders are the people on the scene, usually the intended victims, not governments agents.</p>
<p>Shooting has multiple intents, that do not necessarily included committing murder. Premeditated abortion has only one intent: to torture or murder a human life. Even while fighting wars, there is a concern for causing collateral damage. While premeditated abortion has only one intent and purpose: to cause collateral damage. That is to say, premeditated abortion has the sole intent and purpose to terminate a wholly innocent human life with a sincerely held prejudice (e.g. &#8220;burden&#8221;).</p>
<p>As for Newtown, the guy first murdered his mother, then he claimed possession of her guns, and finally he committed mass murder. The mother did not perceive the risk posed by her son; neither did his psychiatrist. Unfortunately, gun control would not have stopped her son from taking possession of his dead mother&#8217;s licensed guns and then running amuck.</p>
<p>The gun did not malfunction.  The human wielding the gun malfunctioned.  The mother failed to properly assess the risk posed by her son.  She lost her life and her deranged son claimed possession of her licensed guns.  That said, the first-responders are rarely authorized personnel, typically government agents; but rather the people at the scene, including the intended victims.  It would be unconscionable to deprive them of an effective means to carry out self-defense and respond to a mortal threat.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859439</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of people don&#039;t realize this, but DHS, Fast and Furious, Holder, Benghazi under this Regime, is responsible for a lot of the military weapons being supplied overseas and domestically, to crush dissent.

If you&#039;ve ever wondered why they hate us, you can perhaps start there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people don&#8217;t realize this, but DHS, Fast and Furious, Holder, Benghazi under this Regime, is responsible for a lot of the military weapons being supplied overseas and domestically, to crush dissent.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever wondered why they hate us, you can perhaps start there.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859438</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Yes, owners of semi-automatic weapons are the true victims of society’s bullies, not the kids killed by conservstive refusal to support sensible reforms to reduce mass slaughter by attempting to keep military grade weapons of mass destructions out of the hands of nutjobs.&lt;/b&gt;

Are you related to those Democrats in California running guns to gangs and terrorists in Indonesia, btw?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Yes, owners of semi-automatic weapons are the true victims of society’s bullies, not the kids killed by conservstive refusal to support sensible reforms to reduce mass slaughter by attempting to keep military grade weapons of mass destructions out of the hands of nutjobs.</b></p>
<p>Are you related to those Democrats in California running guns to gangs and terrorists in Indonesia, btw?</p>
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		By: Kyndyll		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859433</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Who is dumb enough to push gun control in the middle of a leftist-led anti-cop mania? 

In other places I frequent, I see a lot of sentiment that we have no need of evil cops - that communities can come together and defend themselves. With what? Harsh words and rocks?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is dumb enough to push gun control in the middle of a leftist-led anti-cop mania? </p>
<p>In other places I frequent, I see a lot of sentiment that we have no need of evil cops &#8211; that communities can come together and defend themselves. With what? Harsh words and rocks?</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859432</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The blogger Bookworm had a recent post about her interaction with a foaming-at-the-mouth Obamacare-loving Lefty, and I have experienced this sort of response, too. I think the reason for their ill-contained anger is that it is taking so much energy to fight recognition of the truth. It&#039;s got to take A LOT of work to deal with the cognitive dissonance of something like Obamacare myths vs. reality, with so much of their ego tied into the success of such a program. Anyone who dares to bring up these conflicting facts and emotions must be shut down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blogger Bookworm had a recent post about her interaction with a foaming-at-the-mouth Obamacare-loving Lefty, and I have experienced this sort of response, too. I think the reason for their ill-contained anger is that it is taking so much energy to fight recognition of the truth. It&#8217;s got to take A LOT of work to deal with the cognitive dissonance of something like Obamacare myths vs. reality, with so much of their ego tied into the success of such a program. Anyone who dares to bring up these conflicting facts and emotions must be shut down.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859427</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 17:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no truth, but there is the Party Line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no truth, but there is the Party Line.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859426</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In addition to emotions over facts, a favorite ploy is changing the subject/moving the goalposts. When a conservative is making a valid point about the discussion topic, they will not respond to it, they&#039;ll just drop one of their favorite memes or bring up some variation of the topic. It&#039;s a sort of drive-by argument style so that the conservative/opposing voice never wins, is constantly attempting to catch up.

An expert at this is Bill Maher (if you can stand to watch his HBO show). Every time a libertarian or conservative guest manages to make a decent point, he&#039;ll drop a standard Lefty, jokey line, (like &quot;Yeah, but you&#039;d never want to go hunting with Dick Cheney!&quot;) and then -BOOM!- he changes the subject completely. And his audience laughs like trained seals and feels superior to the libertarian/conservative speaker. Same goes for Jon Stewart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to emotions over facts, a favorite ploy is changing the subject/moving the goalposts. When a conservative is making a valid point about the discussion topic, they will not respond to it, they&#8217;ll just drop one of their favorite memes or bring up some variation of the topic. It&#8217;s a sort of drive-by argument style so that the conservative/opposing voice never wins, is constantly attempting to catch up.</p>
<p>An expert at this is Bill Maher (if you can stand to watch his HBO show). Every time a libertarian or conservative guest manages to make a decent point, he&#8217;ll drop a standard Lefty, jokey line, (like &#8220;Yeah, but you&#8217;d never want to go hunting with Dick Cheney!&#8221;) and then -BOOM!- he changes the subject completely. And his audience laughs like trained seals and feels superior to the libertarian/conservative speaker. Same goes for Jon Stewart.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2015/01/01/how-the-left-argues/#comment-859425</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2015 17:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Also, I know you hoplophobes have a stick up your butt about evil black rifles, our response in the Great Northwet to universal background checks is build our own ARs in the privacy of our own homes. No background checks, no serial numbers. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How dare they own unregistered machine tools, use CAD files and micrometers and bore gauges. Some might even be tool and die makers, and we cannot have that. Forget CNC, a mere Bridgeport J head in their hands is a threat to our peace and security. Trigonometry should be outlawed too, along with any motive power device or the use of unserialized metals by ordinary citizens. What need has any peaceful citizen for a billet of 1020, or a ball nose cutter?

Only then, after all this has been banned, will we have peace and justice.

Oh I forgot about men who stay fit, practice martial arts or lift weights. They should be outlawed too, as they are selfish; and their selfishness leads to depraved indifference which is aggression which destroys our safe spaces.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Also, I know you hoplophobes have a stick up your butt about evil black rifles, our response in the Great Northwet to universal background checks is build our own ARs in the privacy of our own homes. No background checks, no serial numbers. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>How dare they own unregistered machine tools, use CAD files and micrometers and bore gauges. Some might even be tool and die makers, and we cannot have that. Forget CNC, a mere Bridgeport J head in their hands is a threat to our peace and security. Trigonometry should be outlawed too, along with any motive power device or the use of unserialized metals by ordinary citizens. What need has any peaceful citizen for a billet of 1020, or a ball nose cutter?</p>
<p>Only then, after all this has been banned, will we have peace and justice.</p>
<p>Oh I forgot about men who stay fit, practice martial arts or lift weights. They should be outlawed too, as they are selfish; and their selfishness leads to depraved indifference which is aggression which destroys our safe spaces.</p>
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