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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/12/08/eric-garners-widow-speaks-out/#comment-853310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The reason why police are given special standards is because the citizens wish to be slaves and serfs. That&#039;s why they voted in Hussein Obola. And even if the other citizens didn&#039;t, they wish for something of the same kind, the pleasure of safety in obedience to Authority.

They dream of how much better it would be to rely on the godlike power of gov backed healthcare or gov backed security. In the end, they are weaklings looking for a master, and they will get one that they deserve all right.

A normal person cannot do what the police does, not because they lack the power or the will, but merely because society, the society of slaves, deems that only the police should have the special immunity. But that in itself sets up the police to fall into the pit. No human can be that virtuous for long, especially when they begin as a petty Democrat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why police are given special standards is because the citizens wish to be slaves and serfs. That&#8217;s why they voted in Hussein Obola. And even if the other citizens didn&#8217;t, they wish for something of the same kind, the pleasure of safety in obedience to Authority.</p>
<p>They dream of how much better it would be to rely on the godlike power of gov backed healthcare or gov backed security. In the end, they are weaklings looking for a master, and they will get one that they deserve all right.</p>
<p>A normal person cannot do what the police does, not because they lack the power or the will, but merely because society, the society of slaves, deems that only the police should have the special immunity. But that in itself sets up the police to fall into the pit. No human can be that virtuous for long, especially when they begin as a petty Democrat.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/12/08/eric-garners-widow-speaks-out/#comment-853296</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 17:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My problem with an indictment has always been that one person was singled out of the whole team. The 2 sergeants (whom I didn&#039;t know about at the time) were granted immunity in exchange for their testimony. The others in the team also had contact with Gardner. Why weren&#039;r they charged? Given the ambiguity of the autopsy report, how can anyone say that only one member of this group should be prosecuted?

I&#039;m glad that Mrs Garner spoke out against the racism charge. I hope her sons do well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with an indictment has always been that one person was singled out of the whole team. The 2 sergeants (whom I didn&#8217;t know about at the time) were granted immunity in exchange for their testimony. The others in the team also had contact with Gardner. Why weren&#8217;r they charged? Given the ambiguity of the autopsy report, how can anyone say that only one member of this group should be prosecuted?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that Mrs Garner spoke out against the racism charge. I hope her sons do well.</p>
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		By: Foxfier		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/12/08/eric-garners-widow-speaks-out/#comment-853271</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The problem appears when Garner says “I can´t breath”. And he repetes. And again. And again. And nobody does nothing. Nobody looses. Nobody worries.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s because they were taught the fact that if you can get the air to say that you can&#039;t breathe, you are in fact getting enough air.

Did they remove this from CPR classes or something?  I haven&#039;t gone to one since I left the Navy, but that is one of the major ways to tell if someone is panicking or actually in trouble.  If they&#039;re in trouble, &lt;i&gt;they can&#039;t speak.&lt;/i&gt;
  I got to apply this yesterday when my five year old stole a hard candy and swallowed it whole.  She was crying because she felt like she couldn&#039;t breathe, and told me about it.

This is before you consider the issue if criminals find out that all they have to do is say &quot;I can&#039;t breathe&quot; and the police will stop trying to arrest them, even if they&#039;ve been resisting up to that point and can reasonably be expected to continue to do so, to the point of injuring the officers involved.

In hindsight, it&#039;s possible that he did feel like he couldn&#039;t breathe, which would mean his heart attack happened earlier than thought, and he was brain dead before he got in the ambulance.  Feeling like you can&#039;t breathe is a possible sign of a heart attack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The problem appears when Garner says “I can´t breath”. And he repetes. And again. And again. And nobody does nothing. Nobody looses. Nobody worries.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because they were taught the fact that if you can get the air to say that you can&#8217;t breathe, you are in fact getting enough air.</p>
<p>Did they remove this from CPR classes or something?  I haven&#8217;t gone to one since I left the Navy, but that is one of the major ways to tell if someone is panicking or actually in trouble.  If they&#8217;re in trouble, <i>they can&#8217;t speak.</i><br />
  I got to apply this yesterday when my five year old stole a hard candy and swallowed it whole.  She was crying because she felt like she couldn&#8217;t breathe, and told me about it.</p>
<p>This is before you consider the issue if criminals find out that all they have to do is say &#8220;I can&#8217;t breathe&#8221; and the police will stop trying to arrest them, even if they&#8217;ve been resisting up to that point and can reasonably be expected to continue to do so, to the point of injuring the officers involved.</p>
<p>In hindsight, it&#8217;s possible that he did feel like he couldn&#8217;t breathe, which would mean his heart attack happened earlier than thought, and he was brain dead before he got in the ambulance.  Feeling like you can&#8217;t breathe is a possible sign of a heart attack.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/12/08/eric-garners-widow-speaks-out/#comment-853217</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I feel like – I don’t even feel like it’s a black and white thing, honestly, you know, in my opinion. I really don’t feel like it’s a black and white thing. &quot;

Black lives matter!

But only when they advance the leftist agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I feel like – I don’t even feel like it’s a black and white thing, honestly, you know, in my opinion. I really don’t feel like it’s a black and white thing. &#8221;</p>
<p>Black lives matter!</p>
<p>But only when they advance the leftist agenda.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone upthread referred to this as murder. It wasn&#039;t. The coroner ruled it a homicide. That&#039;s not the same as murder. Murder is criminal homicide. There are other categories of homicide which are not criminal. If you kill someone in self-defense, for instance, that would be a justifiable homicide. This is why the grand jury heard the (overwhelming) evidence that Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown in self-defense. The left had their collective panties in a wad over that. But to indict, the prosecutor had to convince the grand jury that a) a crime had been committed and b) the individual they were considering indicting had committed it. If Darren Wilson had killed in self-defense then no crime had been committed. Lawfully using deadly force to resist unlawful deadly force means no crime had been committed.

More to the point, the left is sufficiently deranged that they staged a &quot;die in&quot; in an Apple store. The twisted pretzel logic of the left demands that we end capitalism because capitalism is a racist system. Like greed, apparently, racism wouldn&#039;t exist if capitalism didn&#039;t exist. And Eric Garner was killed by racism.

Well, asthma, diabetes, and hypertension killed him, too. But mostly racism.

Hello leftists! The police were shutting down capitalism when they killed Eric Garner. That&#039;s what shutting down capitalism looks like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone upthread referred to this as murder. It wasn&#8217;t. The coroner ruled it a homicide. That&#8217;s not the same as murder. Murder is criminal homicide. There are other categories of homicide which are not criminal. If you kill someone in self-defense, for instance, that would be a justifiable homicide. This is why the grand jury heard the (overwhelming) evidence that Darren Wilson killed Michael Brown in self-defense. The left had their collective panties in a wad over that. But to indict, the prosecutor had to convince the grand jury that a) a crime had been committed and b) the individual they were considering indicting had committed it. If Darren Wilson had killed in self-defense then no crime had been committed. Lawfully using deadly force to resist unlawful deadly force means no crime had been committed.</p>
<p>More to the point, the left is sufficiently deranged that they staged a &#8220;die in&#8221; in an Apple store. The twisted pretzel logic of the left demands that we end capitalism because capitalism is a racist system. Like greed, apparently, racism wouldn&#8217;t exist if capitalism didn&#8217;t exist. And Eric Garner was killed by racism.</p>
<p>Well, asthma, diabetes, and hypertension killed him, too. But mostly racism.</p>
<p>Hello leftists! The police were shutting down capitalism when they killed Eric Garner. That&#8217;s what shutting down capitalism looks like.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/12/08/eric-garners-widow-speaks-out/#comment-853215</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For further history:

&quot;Goodfellas&quot; -- the film -- Henry&#039;s first bust is selling hot cigarettes -- by the truckload.

(!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For further history:</p>
<p>&#8220;Goodfellas&#8221; &#8212; the film &#8212; Henry&#8217;s first bust is selling hot cigarettes &#8212; by the truckload.</p>
<p>(!)</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[parker Says:
December 8th, 2014 at 11:53 pm

Tax rates:

Pennsylvania $ 1.60/ 20 cigarette pack

New Jersey $ 2.70/ 20 cigarette pack

New York City $ 5.85/ 20 cigarette pack

So, it&#039;s absolutely no surprise that the Mafia has been buying cigarettes by the carton in Pennsylvania and hustling them through a vast retail, penny ante, distribution chain in NY City.

The Mafia has been hip deep in tobacco tax evasion for as long as those taxes existed.

Indeed, the Mafia is famed for running cigarettes up from Virginia. It&#039;s tax rate is $ 0.30.

$ 5.85 - $ 0.30 = $ 5.55 per pack 

More than enough to justify Mafia involvement. 

NYC has gone outside the Laffer curve. 

So, NYC tobacco retailers are witnessing SAVAGE cannibalization of their cigarette sales by the Mafia distribution network.

If it&#039;s news to you: the major cigarette wholesalers were corrupted generations ago by the Mafia -- especially in New York City.

It went hand in hand with their Volstead Act operations. Cigarettes and booze go together like ham on rye, lox and bagel.

&#038;&#038;&#038;&#038;

All of this is but the tip of the tax-berg. 

Barry Soetoro is darkening our economy -- big time.

Eventually, America will resemble Italy, where all income is taxed at 110%... so everyone cheats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>parker Says:<br />
December 8th, 2014 at 11:53 pm</p>
<p>Tax rates:</p>
<p>Pennsylvania $ 1.60/ 20 cigarette pack</p>
<p>New Jersey $ 2.70/ 20 cigarette pack</p>
<p>New York City $ 5.85/ 20 cigarette pack</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s absolutely no surprise that the Mafia has been buying cigarettes by the carton in Pennsylvania and hustling them through a vast retail, penny ante, distribution chain in NY City.</p>
<p>The Mafia has been hip deep in tobacco tax evasion for as long as those taxes existed.</p>
<p>Indeed, the Mafia is famed for running cigarettes up from Virginia. It&#8217;s tax rate is $ 0.30.</p>
<p>$ 5.85 &#8211; $ 0.30 = $ 5.55 per pack </p>
<p>More than enough to justify Mafia involvement. </p>
<p>NYC has gone outside the Laffer curve. </p>
<p>So, NYC tobacco retailers are witnessing SAVAGE cannibalization of their cigarette sales by the Mafia distribution network.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s news to you: the major cigarette wholesalers were corrupted generations ago by the Mafia &#8212; especially in New York City.</p>
<p>It went hand in hand with their Volstead Act operations. Cigarettes and booze go together like ham on rye, lox and bagel.</p>
<p>&amp;&amp;&amp;&amp;</p>
<p>All of this is but the tip of the tax-berg. </p>
<p>Barry Soetoro is darkening our economy &#8212; big time.</p>
<p>Eventually, America will resemble Italy, where all income is taxed at 110%&#8230; so everyone cheats.</p>
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		By: Yann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@denise 

Of course Garner was comitting a crime. Of course it was police´s job to arrest him and they did the way they should.

The problem appears when Garner says &quot;I can´t breath&quot;. And he repetes. And again. And again. And nobody does nothing. Nobody looses. Nobody worries.

As I said in the other post, Garner behaved in a pacific and civilized way. He deserved to be treated and arrested in a civilized way. And that includes to be listened when he claims that he can´t breath.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@denise </p>
<p>Of course Garner was comitting a crime. Of course it was police´s job to arrest him and they did the way they should.</p>
<p>The problem appears when Garner says &#8220;I can´t breath&#8221;. And he repetes. And again. And again. And nobody does nothing. Nobody looses. Nobody worries.</p>
<p>As I said in the other post, Garner behaved in a pacific and civilized way. He deserved to be treated and arrested in a civilized way. And that includes to be listened when he claims that he can´t breath.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 04:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What it all comes down to is that there are hundreds of thousands of federal and state laws/regulations tthat criminalize the behaviors/actions of citizens that make most of us criminals at least  once a week. Unless Garner bought illegal (not taxed) cigarettes for individual resale without paying the tax to NYC; what he did was the equivalent of anyone of us buying an item (paying the sales tax on said item) and then later selling said item at a garage sale and failing to remit sales tax to the overlords.

This is, as the widow acknowledges, not a racial issue. It is an issue over whether or not we wish to submit to the arbitrary whims of a fascist nanny state.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What it all comes down to is that there are hundreds of thousands of federal and state laws/regulations tthat criminalize the behaviors/actions of citizens that make most of us criminals at least  once a week. Unless Garner bought illegal (not taxed) cigarettes for individual resale without paying the tax to NYC; what he did was the equivalent of anyone of us buying an item (paying the sales tax on said item) and then later selling said item at a garage sale and failing to remit sales tax to the overlords.</p>
<p>This is, as the widow acknowledges, not a racial issue. It is an issue over whether or not we wish to submit to the arbitrary whims of a fascist nanny state.</p>
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		By: denise		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have mixed feelings about the video and hence am not especially disturbed by the Grand Jury&#039;s ruling.  The officers applied what they believed to be a reasonable amount of force to effect the arrest.  Note that they did not use weapons, nor did they beat Mr. Garner repeatedly as did the officers in the King video.  The unfortunate result was largely the consequence of Mr. Garner&#039;s poor health.

Now, the issue of the law they were attempting to enforce is another issue.  People should realize that when the state criminalizes any conduct, yes, even petty conduct, it can result in a lawful arrest and police are authorized to use the force necessary to make the arrest.  

In labor law we tell our members to obey first and then file a grievance.  Don&#039;t give management the added charge of insubordination.   Petty criminals should be given the same advice.  In major American cities like New York there&#039;s an army of attorneys out there who are ready, able and willing to challenge the legality of an arrest and detention.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about the video and hence am not especially disturbed by the Grand Jury&#8217;s ruling.  The officers applied what they believed to be a reasonable amount of force to effect the arrest.  Note that they did not use weapons, nor did they beat Mr. Garner repeatedly as did the officers in the King video.  The unfortunate result was largely the consequence of Mr. Garner&#8217;s poor health.</p>
<p>Now, the issue of the law they were attempting to enforce is another issue.  People should realize that when the state criminalizes any conduct, yes, even petty conduct, it can result in a lawful arrest and police are authorized to use the force necessary to make the arrest.  </p>
<p>In labor law we tell our members to obey first and then file a grievance.  Don&#8217;t give management the added charge of insubordination.   Petty criminals should be given the same advice.  In major American cities like New York there&#8217;s an army of attorneys out there who are ready, able and willing to challenge the legality of an arrest and detention.</p>
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