Comments on: Jonestown reflections: 36 years later

By: The 40th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy - Novus Vero

The 40th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy - Novus Vero — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 21:46:24 +0000

[…] Note that I write “were killed” rather than “killed themselves.” One of the many misconceptions about the Jonestown tragedy was that for most of its victims it represented an act of suicide. For some it did, but for many it did not. The children, of course, were not acting for themselves and were incapable of giving consent (some were infants and toddlers). And although the adults had all signed onto the Jim Jones enterprise of their own free will, many (perhaps even most?) had essentially been kept prisoner there against their will, long after the nature of the movement had changed. What’s more, as I wrote previously in a lengthy post on the subject: […]

By: The 40th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy | TrumpsMinutemen

The 40th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy | TrumpsMinutemen — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:21:10 +0000

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The 40th anniversary of the Jonestown tragedy — Tue, 20 Nov 2018 20:16:11 +0000

By: HeftyJo

HeftyJo — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:48:56 +0000

I listened to the audio of the Jonestown massacre and it is chilling to say the least. The screams and the death rattles of the children made it nearly unbearable to listen to till the end. What makes it even more creepy is that the recording was dubbed over a previous recording of some choir music. So at the end when everything goes silent there nothing but this warbly, morbid, out of tune music faintly playing in the background.

By: Merry M. Ployer

Merry M. Ployer — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 05:47:42 +0000

Reminds me of the Waco Massacre….
Bill and Hillary Clinton should be in prison for crimes against humanity for what they did to their fellow citizens at Waco, TX, on April 19, 1993. The Waco Massacre and church burning (it was not a “compound,” it was their church),was the most brutal, heinous violation of civil, human and Constitutional rights in this nation’s history. Innocent men, women and children were attacked with tanks, poison gas (CS gas turns to cyanide when heated) and burned alive. Those who ran from the church were machine-gunned as documented in the movie “Waco, The Rules of Engagement.” If you doubt how bad this was consider that you never hear the left stream media talk about it. They want it erased from history but this memorial site will remain forever:
www . wizardsofaz . com/waco/waco2 . html*
And if that weren’t bad enough, Clinton’s thugs then stuck a machine gun in the face of a 5 year old boy and sent him to the communist gulag known as Cuba: www . therealcuba . com/elian_gonzalez . htm
Let’s hope Clinton isn’t teaching President Prompter too many of his old tricks!
Here is a list of the children murdered at Waco:
Lisa Martin 13, Sheila Martin, Jr. 15, Rachel Sylvia 12, Hollywood Sylvia 1,
Joseph Martinez 8, Abigail Martinez 11, Crystal Martinez 3 Isaiah Martinez 4
Audrey Martinez 13, Melissa Morrison 6, Chanel Andrade 1, Cyrus Koresh 8
Star Koresh 6, Bobbie Lane Koresh 2, Dayland Gent 3, Page Gent 1,
Mayanah Schneider 2, Startle Summers 1, Serenity Jones 4, Chica Jones 2,
Little One Jones 2.
*Note: regarding links: Much of the Waco information once available on the web has “disappeared” and quite a few of the links on this page have expired (a few are marked as such) or no longer lead to the original page. An expired link at least shows that the page once existed. Some pages which no longer exist on the web can still be recovered by entering the URL (right mouse click on the link to get the URL) into the Wayback Machine.
And as an amusing exercise in provoking censorship try adding a link to this page from Wikipedia’s Waco Siege page and see how long it takes to be deleted.

By: Teri Pittman

Teri Pittman — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:11:47 +0000

Here you go:

Honor Bound: The History of American Prisoners of War in Southeast Asia, 1961-1973 by
Stuart I. Rochester, Frederick Kiley

Stockdale is an amazing man.

By: Teri Pittman

Teri Pittman — Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:08:48 +0000

I thought of Patty Hearst too. People believed what they wanted to believe. Radicals thought the revolution was so groovy that Patty had seen the light and joined of her own free will. And that generated hatred from the folks that hated the radicals. I did read a few books on Jonestown and it is chilling. I think that Ryan wanted to believe that things were fine. He deluded himself into thinking it was all overblown.

If I can find the title, there is an excellent book on the torture of American POWs during the Vietnam war. It’s a large book and very thorough. I really had no idea what they were going through and than the Cubans were involved in the torture as well.

By: Nick

Nick — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 18:27:15 +0000

Former FBI profiler John Douglas, in the book Mind Hunter, tells the story about the time he called one of his subordinates into his office. He told him that while he understood how it happened, he had to keep his affair with his officemate more covert. The subordinate, who was married and not having an affair, flipped out at the accusation. Then Douglas told him it was a lesson: even trained FBI profilers can be KO’d by the right head game. The truth is, there isn’t one of us who wouldn’t end up joining the right cult.

By: junior

junior — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 17:36:15 +0000

Matt,

I think it’s also because gamers are, by nature, contrarian and competitive. We argue. We argue over the dumbest things. And massive blowback on the part of fans is part and parcel of the group. Look up an article on the reaction to the ending of Mass Effect 3 (a game that was released a couple of years ago) for an example. Call a gamer names and the response is likely to be a flame war. Call *all* gamers names, and, well…

Additionally, there’s been mounting cynicism on the part of gamers about the corruption in the video game review industry. Gamergate essentially started because there were some pretty strong hints that a “sex for positive reviews” thing had been going on (though as it turns out, apparently the dates don’t match up).

By: Matt_SE

Matt_SE — Mon, 24 Nov 2014 03:02:03 +0000

While not denigrating the skills of the indoctrinators, I feel that a large component here is the self-selected nature of the group. I don’t think it’s apt to compare the Jonestown inhabitants to the average man off the street.
On a related note, I think that’s why the first real resistance to the SJWs came from gamers (i.e. GamerGate). The gamers are already socially ostracized, and much less susceptible to group think.