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		By: J. Wall		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/19/the-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/#comment-860654</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Wall]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was in high school, I read Cosby&#039;s autobiography. He told about how, as a boy, he broke his arm playing, and hid it from his mother for several days until it was so bad it was discovered. He said he knew he would get in trouble, but also he didn&#039;t want to burden her. As a young person then, and even now, I thought &quot;Who could do that?&quot;  What kind of a home was that? So, a lifetime of deceiving.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school, I read Cosby&#8217;s autobiography. He told about how, as a boy, he broke his arm playing, and hid it from his mother for several days until it was so bad it was discovered. He said he knew he would get in trouble, but also he didn&#8217;t want to burden her. As a young person then, and even now, I thought &#8220;Who could do that?&#8221;  What kind of a home was that? So, a lifetime of deceiving.</p>
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		By: RickZ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/19/the-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/#comment-849705</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2014 04:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo,

I fully understand where you&#039;re coming from.

But ponder this:  The left lies.  Period.  Full stop.  It&#039;s what they do.  They are sharks constantly circling, waiting for that scent of blood.  Look at Michael Richards.  Everybody and their dead grandmother loudly hopped onboard the &#039;Richards is racist&#039; train.  With Cosby, blood is in the water.

I&#039;ll also say that because of modern so-called feminism (or Illinois Feminazis as like to cynically refer to them), I now tend to look more askance at rape allegations.  When the left made destructive rape allegations political, my trust not only in the system falters, but my trust in the language, itself, falters as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolla Dalbo,</p>
<p>I fully understand where you&#8217;re coming from.</p>
<p>But ponder this:  The left lies.  Period.  Full stop.  It&#8217;s what they do.  They are sharks constantly circling, waiting for that scent of blood.  Look at Michael Richards.  Everybody and their dead grandmother loudly hopped onboard the &#8216;Richards is racist&#8217; train.  With Cosby, blood is in the water.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also say that because of modern so-called feminism (or Illinois Feminazis as like to cynically refer to them), I now tend to look more askance at rape allegations.  When the left made destructive rape allegations political, my trust not only in the system falters, but my trust in the language, itself, falters as well.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I see that in the couple of days since I wrote the comments above, two more women have come forward to accuse Cosby of attacking them.  

Obviously the dam has broken, and it could be that a flood of even more accusations will follow. 

As I wrote above, “quantity has a quality all its own.”

There are now 14-15 accusers.  A couple accusers doing it to get their 15 minutes of fame, or because they have some reason to try to bring Cosby down--even an ideological one, or because they see such an accusation as a way to make money, maybe, but, 14 or 15 different women? 
 
I don’t think so. 

Especially since it was very foreseeable that if a woman came forward with her accusations against such an &quot;iconic&quot; and &quot;beloved&quot; public figure their life would be turned upside down as they were hounded by the press, they would  lose their privacy and gain notoriety, would end up being shunned by certain people, and would be raked over the coals by Cosby supporters who would throw every accusation in the book at them.

Given the very predictable and likely very unpleasant, if not disastrous results of coming forward, Cosby’s accusers must have had very powerful reasons to “step out of the shadows.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that in the couple of days since I wrote the comments above, two more women have come forward to accuse Cosby of attacking them.  </p>
<p>Obviously the dam has broken, and it could be that a flood of even more accusations will follow. </p>
<p>As I wrote above, “quantity has a quality all its own.”</p>
<p>There are now 14-15 accusers.  A couple accusers doing it to get their 15 minutes of fame, or because they have some reason to try to bring Cosby down&#8211;even an ideological one, or because they see such an accusation as a way to make money, maybe, but, 14 or 15 different women? </p>
<p>I don’t think so. </p>
<p>Especially since it was very foreseeable that if a woman came forward with her accusations against such an &#8220;iconic&#8221; and &#8220;beloved&#8221; public figure their life would be turned upside down as they were hounded by the press, they would  lose their privacy and gain notoriety, would end up being shunned by certain people, and would be raked over the coals by Cosby supporters who would throw every accusation in the book at them.</p>
<p>Given the very predictable and likely very unpleasant, if not disastrous results of coming forward, Cosby’s accusers must have had very powerful reasons to “step out of the shadows.”</p>
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		By: Whoopie Goldberg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[even if the allegations are true, it wouldn&#039;t be &quot;rape rape&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>even if the allegations are true, it wouldn&#8217;t be &#8220;rape rape&#8221;.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/19/the-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/#comment-849195</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wolla,

I agree, it&#039;s the quantity of allegations, and the common theme of drugged drinks, that persuades me that more likely than not, there is a thread of truth to this. 

I don&#039;t want to believe this is true about Cosby. While i could take or leave his standup routines, I enjoyed the Cosby Show and wish there were more like it. I also saw Cosby as one of the few black personalities courageous enough to put a spotlight on the importance of the traditional family and the sad impact of its breakdown in the black community.

Of course that doesn&#039;t mean that some of his accusers weren&#039;t willing participants and/or out for personal gain. And it&#039;s also more than possible that many on the left want to bring Cosby down. It&#039;s not necessarily an either or situation.

As the saying goes, just because you&#039;re paranoid doesn&#039;t mean they aren&#039;t out to get you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolla,</p>
<p>I agree, it&#8217;s the quantity of allegations, and the common theme of drugged drinks, that persuades me that more likely than not, there is a thread of truth to this. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to believe this is true about Cosby. While i could take or leave his standup routines, I enjoyed the Cosby Show and wish there were more like it. I also saw Cosby as one of the few black personalities courageous enough to put a spotlight on the importance of the traditional family and the sad impact of its breakdown in the black community.</p>
<p>Of course that doesn&#8217;t mean that some of his accusers weren&#8217;t willing participants and/or out for personal gain. And it&#8217;s also more than possible that many on the left want to bring Cosby down. It&#8217;s not necessarily an either or situation.</p>
<p>As the saying goes, just because you&#8217;re paranoid doesn&#8217;t mean they aren&#8217;t out to get you.</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve made up your mind, Wolla, and no reason shall interfere!  Lots of similar accusations=guilt,  that&#039;s the sum total of your logic.  You don&#039;t question whether this sudden random witch hunt is inspired by racist projection or lefty politics.  Guilty, guilty, guilty!  And guilty Cosby better stop criticizing those &quot;low class&quot; blacks.
I.C.U.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve made up your mind, Wolla, and no reason shall interfere!  Lots of similar accusations=guilt,  that&#8217;s the sum total of your logic.  You don&#8217;t question whether this sudden random witch hunt is inspired by racist projection or lefty politics.  Guilty, guilty, guilty!  And guilty Cosby better stop criticizing those &#8220;low class&#8221; blacks.<br />
I.C.U.</p>
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		By: Wolla Dalbo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/19/the-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/#comment-849187</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wolla Dalbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here is a story that lays out a timetable of the various accusations and lists some of Cosby’s accusers going back to 2007 or earlier ( http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/20/i-warned-you-about-bill-cosby-in-2007.html).

Did he or didn’t he? 

As they say, “sometimes quantity has a quality all its own.”  

Thus, when I see more than a dozen accusers step forward--most of them now middle-aged and with much to lose in terms of reputation and the quiet enjoyment of their lives--moreover, with the statute of limitations long since run out and their accusations having no chance of getting Cosby prosecuted for his alleged crimes, and thus no need for or the likelihood of a big payout to silence them--I take their accusations seriously.   

Lending additional weight to these accusations is the fact that the M.O. of the attacks is always the same; pills from the ever so helpful Mr. Cosby for an illness, or a drugged drink. 

Some have, in essence, accused these women of having “asked for it,” by trying to use Cosby as a route to stardom, or sticking around after the first attack--although if these women were “rufied,” depending on the circumstances it might be pretty hard for them to remember or to realize that an attack had actually taken place, and in addition to believe such an iconic and apparently kindly figure as Cosby as being capable of such an attack.
  
Great mind Whoopi Goldberg not to the contrary, it seems to me that--minus a clear mind and informed consent--a rape is a rape, no matter what other circumstances there might be. 
 
As for the theory that otherwise liberal Cosby’s criticism of “lower class blacks” and their lifestyle has angered fellow liberals sufficiently for them to suddenly attack him, or to cease to avert their eyes from what was plainly visible, I do not buy this. 
 
I don’t think that racism directed at Cosby has anything to do with the fact that these accusations are being made, although, as some have pointed out, it seems as if all of the alleged victims were white. 

However, if Cosby is guilty as charged, I do think it ironic that Cosby  would have taken it upon himself to criticize the misdeeds of “low class” blacks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a story that lays out a timetable of the various accusations and lists some of Cosby’s accusers going back to 2007 or earlier ( <a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/20/i-warned-you-about-bill-cosby-in-2007.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/20/i-warned-you-about-bill-cosby-in-2007.html</a>).</p>
<p>Did he or didn’t he? </p>
<p>As they say, “sometimes quantity has a quality all its own.”  </p>
<p>Thus, when I see more than a dozen accusers step forward&#8211;most of them now middle-aged and with much to lose in terms of reputation and the quiet enjoyment of their lives&#8211;moreover, with the statute of limitations long since run out and their accusations having no chance of getting Cosby prosecuted for his alleged crimes, and thus no need for or the likelihood of a big payout to silence them&#8211;I take their accusations seriously.   </p>
<p>Lending additional weight to these accusations is the fact that the M.O. of the attacks is always the same; pills from the ever so helpful Mr. Cosby for an illness, or a drugged drink. </p>
<p>Some have, in essence, accused these women of having “asked for it,” by trying to use Cosby as a route to stardom, or sticking around after the first attack&#8211;although if these women were “rufied,” depending on the circumstances it might be pretty hard for them to remember or to realize that an attack had actually taken place, and in addition to believe such an iconic and apparently kindly figure as Cosby as being capable of such an attack.</p>
<p>Great mind Whoopi Goldberg not to the contrary, it seems to me that&#8211;minus a clear mind and informed consent&#8211;a rape is a rape, no matter what other circumstances there might be. </p>
<p>As for the theory that otherwise liberal Cosby’s criticism of “lower class blacks” and their lifestyle has angered fellow liberals sufficiently for them to suddenly attack him, or to cease to avert their eyes from what was plainly visible, I do not buy this. </p>
<p>I don’t think that racism directed at Cosby has anything to do with the fact that these accusations are being made, although, as some have pointed out, it seems as if all of the alleged victims were white. </p>
<p>However, if Cosby is guilty as charged, I do think it ironic that Cosby  would have taken it upon himself to criticize the misdeeds of “low class” blacks.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think a lot of what&#039;s happening now -- with the science guy in the shirt and with the resurfacing of the Cosby allegations -- is the fruit of the &quot;war on women&quot; rhetoric the Dems have been tossing out there for years now. It&#039;s given validity to some very loud women with a revolutionary bent. And with Cosby, those with a different view of black culture have jumped in as well, and see a great opportunity to invalidate all he&#039;s been saying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of what&#8217;s happening now &#8212; with the science guy in the shirt and with the resurfacing of the Cosby allegations &#8212; is the fruit of the &#8220;war on women&#8221; rhetoric the Dems have been tossing out there for years now. It&#8217;s given validity to some very loud women with a revolutionary bent. And with Cosby, those with a different view of black culture have jumped in as well, and see a great opportunity to invalidate all he&#8217;s been saying.</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Your analysis speaks volumes about progressive projections, though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your analysis speaks volumes about progressive projections, though.</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2014 19:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickZ - You may have a point there that I didn&#039;t give much credence to in this case because this stereotyped image of black men as sexually promiscuous/dangerous/threatening has just never registered with me.  I do know it has extensive historical precedent and still abides in pathetic minds of all races.  With Justice Thomas and Herman Cain and now in this case, I just see the left utilizing whatever useful idiot is at hand to undermine these men.  The fact that the useful idiots in question are female may or may not be coincidence. OTOH, Weiner was entirely disposable whereas Clinton will be a valuable asset to the Dems for a long time.  The loss of Weiner was a temporary set back but, in the long run, the Dems lost an unstable and unreliable personality whose sexcesses were undeniable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickZ &#8211; You may have a point there that I didn&#8217;t give much credence to in this case because this stereotyped image of black men as sexually promiscuous/dangerous/threatening has just never registered with me.  I do know it has extensive historical precedent and still abides in pathetic minds of all races.  With Justice Thomas and Herman Cain and now in this case, I just see the left utilizing whatever useful idiot is at hand to undermine these men.  The fact that the useful idiots in question are female may or may not be coincidence. OTOH, Weiner was entirely disposable whereas Clinton will be a valuable asset to the Dems for a long time.  The loss of Weiner was a temporary set back but, in the long run, the Dems lost an unstable and unreliable personality whose sexcesses were undeniable.</p>
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