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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[ErisGuy:

It&#039;s a small point, but I have to say that there was no &lt;i&gt;couple&lt;/i&gt; chosen in &quot;The Lottery.&quot;  It was a person, a woman actually.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ErisGuy:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a small point, but I have to say that there was no <i>couple</i> chosen in &#8220;The Lottery.&#8221;  It was a person, a woman actually.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848463</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Muslims have always been willing to kill each other during political disputes.&lt;/i&gt;

Like every other people. If I heard about a people so just that no internal strife caused them to kill one another, I’d ask if they tamed dragons and unicorns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Muslims have always been willing to kill each other during political disputes.</i></p>
<p>Like every other people. If I heard about a people so just that no internal strife caused them to kill one another, I’d ask if they tamed dragons and unicorns.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848462</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2014 11:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel sorry–but not that sorry–for the couple chosen in “The Lottery,” because certainly they have participated in the ritual in the past. 

He converted to Islam knowing what it was, knowing where he was, knowing what could happen. (Moslems have been kidnapping and murdering westerners since the 1979 at least.)

And so I feel sorry that he abandoned America, abandoned his people, surrendered his Christian name, and was destroyed like an animal by the people with whom he had chosen to ally. 

Reminds me of the thousands of Americans who, during the Depression, chose to immigrate to the Soviet Union to build the glorious future of Communism and who died in the Gulag.

While life in America is comfortable, in reality, comfortable or not, you stake your life on the choices you make and future you choose. His choices were poor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry–but not that sorry–for the couple chosen in “The Lottery,” because certainly they have participated in the ritual in the past. </p>
<p>He converted to Islam knowing what it was, knowing where he was, knowing what could happen. (Moslems have been kidnapping and murdering westerners since the 1979 at least.)</p>
<p>And so I feel sorry that he abandoned America, abandoned his people, surrendered his Christian name, and was destroyed like an animal by the people with whom he had chosen to ally. </p>
<p>Reminds me of the thousands of Americans who, during the Depression, chose to immigrate to the Soviet Union to build the glorious future of Communism and who died in the Gulag.</p>
<p>While life in America is comfortable, in reality, comfortable or not, you stake your life on the choices you make and future you choose. His choices were poor.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848306</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;I honestly don’t know why we just don’t walk out of there, and leave them to their own devices.&lt;/b&gt;

So long as Islamic Jihad is allied with the Leftist alliance, it won&#039;t be feasible to separate completely. Regardless of whether people want it or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>I honestly don’t know why we just don’t walk out of there, and leave them to their own devices.</b></p>
<p>So long as Islamic Jihad is allied with the Leftist alliance, it won&#8217;t be feasible to separate completely. Regardless of whether people want it or not.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848293</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Democrats killed Americans at Ruby Ridge and WACO, and they weren&#039;t stopped by killing their own. Why would ISIL be ashamed of killing their own, is Hussein and Clinton ashamed of killing Americans?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Democrats killed Americans at Ruby Ridge and WACO, and they weren&#8217;t stopped by killing their own. Why would ISIL be ashamed of killing their own, is Hussein and Clinton ashamed of killing Americans?</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848277</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 18:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the things the left gets right is that they hate us because of what we are like...  except that what we are like, is what the progressives and dems have made us... 

so they hate us because of dem progressive policies. 

what kind of policies? 
&lt;b&gt;REPORT: Chicago schools teaching &#039;safe&#039; anal sex to 5th graders...&lt;/b&gt;
http://eagnews.org/report-chicago-schools-teaching-safe-anal-sex-to-5th-graders/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things the left gets right is that they hate us because of what we are like&#8230;  except that what we are like, is what the progressives and dems have made us&#8230; </p>
<p>so they hate us because of dem progressive policies. </p>
<p>what kind of policies?<br />
<b>REPORT: Chicago schools teaching &#8216;safe&#8217; anal sex to 5th graders&#8230;</b><br />
<a href="http://eagnews.org/report-chicago-schools-teaching-safe-anal-sex-to-5th-graders/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://eagnews.org/report-chicago-schools-teaching-safe-anal-sex-to-5th-graders/</a></p>
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		By: Illuminati		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848270</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Illuminati]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric Says: 

Illuminati,

See http://lettertobaghdadi.com/.

Thank-you for a good link. 

I&#039;ve wondered when the Muslims who are targets of ISIS would respond.  Muslims kill each other all the time, but ISIS has taken the violence to another level so pushback is inevitable.

This letter exposes a disagreement between different schools of Islamic thought.  Mr. Baghdadi who follows Muhammad bin Abdel-Wahhab (10/23) is on one side while the signatures of the letter are on the other.  

The letter contains some excellent points and one can only hope that someday their views become the majority viewpoint in Islam.  Now to the details.

The signaturies do not claim that Baghdadi and his fighters are anything other than genuine Muslims.  According to their own statements they can&#039;t make that claim since they include the following quote in their letter:
&quot;The Prophet ï² said: “Anyone who maintains his ablution is a believer”, so whoever observes the prescribed prayers with ablution is a Muslim.’.&quot;

As expected, most of their argument is directed against the brutality of ISIS against other Muslims.  ISIS is clearly on the extreme edge of Islamic behavior in their violence against other Muslims.  Muslims kill each other all the time, but not usually with this amount of brutality.

The violence by ISIS against Christians and Yazidis is usual for modern Islamic countries but one does not have to go very far into the past to find similar violence.   ISIS&#039;s demand that Christians convert, pay jizya, or die was standard practice in Islamic countries until very recently.   It appears that the Yazidis are not mentioned as a protected class by Mohammad so their situation is tenuous at best.

The letter also tried to maintain that because Mohammad didn&#039;t kill many prisoners during the conquest of Mecca that that sets up a precedent for Jihad.  That argument is very weak since Mecca was Mohammad&#039;s home town with many of his relatives.  A better example of Mohammad&#039;s behavior would be how he treated captives from other cities.  Here is an example of how he behaved as recorded in Suna Abudawud:
&quot;(2) Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu&#039;minin: No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? She said: I I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. She said: The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.  (Book #14, Hadith #2665)&quot;

The letter is extremely very weak on slavery.  The prohibition against slavery in Islam is very recent and was enacted because of Western pressure not because of Islamic theology.  Slavery is too well established in the Koran and hadiths to believe otherwise. It was only abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962 and has persisted unabated in some other Muslim countries. 

The authors admit that Hudud punishments which include crucifixion and flogging or stoning adulterers are still valid.  Their only quarrel with ISIS is that ISIS is not following the rules properly when they decide who is to receive Hudud punishment.  It is rich when the letter says the Hudud punishments are not to be applied in a cruel manner.  Lets all cheer up, Muslims moderates are campaigning for gentle crucifixions (13/23).

There is much more which could be said, but this should be enough for now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Says: </p>
<p>Illuminati,</p>
<p>See <a href="http://lettertobaghdadi.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lettertobaghdadi.com/</a>.</p>
<p>Thank-you for a good link. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered when the Muslims who are targets of ISIS would respond.  Muslims kill each other all the time, but ISIS has taken the violence to another level so pushback is inevitable.</p>
<p>This letter exposes a disagreement between different schools of Islamic thought.  Mr. Baghdadi who follows Muhammad bin Abdel-Wahhab (10/23) is on one side while the signatures of the letter are on the other.  </p>
<p>The letter contains some excellent points and one can only hope that someday their views become the majority viewpoint in Islam.  Now to the details.</p>
<p>The signaturies do not claim that Baghdadi and his fighters are anything other than genuine Muslims.  According to their own statements they can&#8217;t make that claim since they include the following quote in their letter:<br />
&#8220;The Prophet ï² said: “Anyone who maintains his ablution is a believer”, so whoever observes the prescribed prayers with ablution is a Muslim.’.&#8221;</p>
<p>As expected, most of their argument is directed against the brutality of ISIS against other Muslims.  ISIS is clearly on the extreme edge of Islamic behavior in their violence against other Muslims.  Muslims kill each other all the time, but not usually with this amount of brutality.</p>
<p>The violence by ISIS against Christians and Yazidis is usual for modern Islamic countries but one does not have to go very far into the past to find similar violence.   ISIS&#8217;s demand that Christians convert, pay jizya, or die was standard practice in Islamic countries until very recently.   It appears that the Yazidis are not mentioned as a protected class by Mohammad so their situation is tenuous at best.</p>
<p>The letter also tried to maintain that because Mohammad didn&#8217;t kill many prisoners during the conquest of Mecca that that sets up a precedent for Jihad.  That argument is very weak since Mecca was Mohammad&#8217;s home town with many of his relatives.  A better example of Mohammad&#8217;s behavior would be how he treated captives from other cities.  Here is an example of how he behaved as recorded in Suna Abudawud:<br />
&#8220;(2) Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu&#8217;minin: No woman of Banu Qurayzah was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly (extremely), while the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so? She said: I I asked: What is the matter with you? She said: I did a new act. She said: The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.  (Book #14, Hadith #2665)&#8221;</p>
<p>The letter is extremely very weak on slavery.  The prohibition against slavery in Islam is very recent and was enacted because of Western pressure not because of Islamic theology.  Slavery is too well established in the Koran and hadiths to believe otherwise. It was only abolished in Saudi Arabia in 1962 and has persisted unabated in some other Muslim countries. </p>
<p>The authors admit that Hudud punishments which include crucifixion and flogging or stoning adulterers are still valid.  Their only quarrel with ISIS is that ISIS is not following the rules properly when they decide who is to receive Hudud punishment.  It is rich when the letter says the Hudud punishments are not to be applied in a cruel manner.  Lets all cheer up, Muslims moderates are campaigning for gentle crucifixions (13/23).</p>
<p>There is much more which could be said, but this should be enough for now.</p>
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		By: Exasperated		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Obama needs to stop honoring them by calling them evil. They need to be mocked and called what they truly are: unmanly cowards.&quot;

This actually occurred in the Daily Mail, which has gone to some lengths to highlight the depravity of ISIS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama needs to stop honoring them by calling them evil. They need to be mocked and called what they truly are: unmanly cowards.&#8221;</p>
<p>This actually occurred in the Daily Mail, which has gone to some lengths to highlight the depravity of ISIS.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848255</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama says that everyone should calm down, its nothing to lose your head over...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama says that everyone should calm down, its nothing to lose your head over&#8230;</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/16/isis-has-beheaded-another-american/#comment-848252</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2014 14:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Illuminati,

See http://lettertobaghdadi.com/.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Illuminati,</p>
<p>See <a href="http://lettertobaghdadi.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lettertobaghdadi.com/</a>.</p>
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