Comments on: The PC crowd and academic freedom https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/ A blog about political change, among other things Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:51:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: RA https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845558 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 11:51:21 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845558 Your experience is your experience. In mine, I never met a lib who didn’t think losing in VN was a good thing.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845399 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 01:05:55 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845399 RA:

You are wrong. Not all liberals see it that way at all. Some do, some don’t.

I know a lot of liberals, remember, and I was one for most of my life.

]]> By: RA https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845398 Wed, 05 Nov 2014 00:37:16 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845398 neo
I knew some who insist the war was lost earlier, but there’s something…off…about their insistence. As if they’re trying to convince both of us of something they doubt.
However, when informed of facts…they don’t see the problem. Keep in mind that, for libs, enemies of the US are good and allies are bad. So the RVN losing was a Good Thing, no matter when or how it happened. IOW, it’s the world view which filters the information.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845375 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:04:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845375 RA:

But liberals were convinced the war had been lost for many years already. Cutting the funding was merely pulling the plug on a comatose, brain-dead patient.

Most liberals still believe that, and most mainstream historians (and certainly the MSM) agree. A historian like Sorley is an exception, although I think his arguments are very convincing.

]]> By: RA https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845356 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:24:38 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845356 WRT your last sentence: What I said. And the usual sources weren’t the only sources. It was beyond hiding that the defunding of aid to the Rep of Vietnam resulted in defeat. Problem is, the libs figured that was a feature, not a bug.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845307 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:36:54 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845307 RA:

The information IS hidden, in a sense. For example, if you assume (as I did, way back when) that the NY Times and the Boston Globe are good and objective news sources, and that the talk of them being biased is just hype, and if you don’t seek out conservative sources because you’re busy with your life and assume you’re getting the news straight already from the MSM—and if just about everyone you know,, all of whom are smart, well-educated people, agrees—then you don’t have the information.

It’s less forgivable now that it’s so easy to go to alternative sources online than it was back when I was a liberal. But still, unless people have a really good reason to suspect their own heretofore trusted sources, and unless they have the time and inclination to do a fair amount of research, and unless they’re willing to think outside the box and question their own assumptions, then they won’t get the information or they won’t be able to take it in if they happen across it. A person has to be truly dedicated to seeking, it over and over, to really take it in.

]]> By: RA https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845301 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 20:25:53 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845301 Neo. Not to split hairs, here. But the lib who cares about liberty and is still a lib would seem proof against information. After all, the info is not hidden. It is simply ignored…for a reason. And until that reason, which is not based on information, is addressed, facts will continue to be ignored.

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845238 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 17:12:35 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845238 RA:

It’s not irrelevant, because more information could change the mind of the liberal who cares about liberty. More information is HIGHLY unlikely to change the mind of the leftist, and not all that likely to change the mind of the liberal who doesn’t care about liberty.

]]> By: RA https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845172 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 12:10:04 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845172 Neo. Your description of the difference between libs and lefties may be correct–it was your experience–but you make the point that, ultimately, it’s irrelevant. They vote the same way.

GB. WRT the cohorts going different ways. Home schooling is an example of a way one cohort will go a different way despite the Left’s attempts. The same is true for private and religious schools. I know a bunch of families in the mid-thirties age range and see how they deal with their children. They’re going a different–traditional–way in morals, ethics, attitudes….

]]> By: neo-neocon https://thenewneo.com/2014/11/03/the-pc-crowd-and-academic-freedom/#comment-845018 Tue, 04 Nov 2014 02:20:01 +0000 http://neoneocon.com/?p=44146#comment-845018 Mr. Frank:

Those issues are indeed looked at. But if the findings are non-PC, the battles are fierce.

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