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		By: Look beyond		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-1019457</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Look beyond]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 02:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The research you cite here about Eric Harris &#038;Dylan Klebold has been spread by Dave Cullen whose book on Columbine is dubious at best.
Go here to see the controversy about Cullen and his book by people who have researched the matter for years.

http://columbinemassacre.forumotion.com/search?mode=searchbox&#038;search_keywords=cullen&#038;show_results=topics]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The research you cite here about Eric Harris &amp;Dylan Klebold has been spread by Dave Cullen whose book on Columbine is dubious at best.<br />
Go here to see the controversy about Cullen and his book by people who have researched the matter for years.</p>
<p><a href="http://columbinemassacre.forumotion.com/search?mode=searchbox&#038;search_keywords=cullen&#038;show_results=topics" rel="nofollow ugc">http://columbinemassacre.forumotion.com/search?mode=searchbox&#038;search_keywords=cullen&#038;show_results=topics</a></p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,
 
I assume the sheriff talked to the teacher at least, if not every witness, but again, his reasons aren&#039;t reported.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I assume the sheriff talked to the teacher at least, if not every witness, but again, his reasons aren&#8217;t reported.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ah. Your link points to the same press conference. I don&#039;t see in the reporting that the sheriff explained why he concluded there was no physical contact and the ME determined Fryberg committed suicide rather than an accidental death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. Your link points to the same press conference. I don&#8217;t see in the reporting that the sheriff explained why he concluded there was no physical contact and the ME determined Fryberg committed suicide rather than an accidental death.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842819</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric:

The article you just linked has the same paragraph as the article I just linked.  The eyewitness in the video contradicts it.  I don&#039;t know how the police could determine whether she touched him or not, except by eyewitness testimony.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:</p>
<p>The article you just linked has the same paragraph as the article I just linked.  The eyewitness in the video contradicts it.  I don&#8217;t know how the police could determine whether she touched him or not, except by eyewitness testimony.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842816</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

I read it here:
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Girl-wounded-in-Washington-school-shooting-dies-5849711.php

Other coverage of the same press conference repeat the basic reporting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>I read it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Girl-wounded-in-Washington-school-shooting-dies-5849711.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Girl-wounded-in-Washington-school-shooting-dies-5849711.php</a></p>
<p>Other coverage of the same press conference repeat the basic reporting.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2014 00:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric:

I assume you&#039;re referring to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/27/washington-school-names-released-suicide/18005551/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this report&lt;/a&gt;.

However, the very same article quotes an eyewitness as saying the opposite.  There&#039;s a video, too.  This kid was right next to the table, and called 911:

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As far as your theory about the murder motive goes, the same thing had occurred to me but I rejected it.  That&#039;s because, although it&#039;s not an unusual motive for parents who murder children, I&#039;ve never heard of it with peers.  It seems quite limited to parent/child murders, or sometimes elderly spouses (but that tends more to be a suicide pact).  I have never heard of such a thing with an adolescent and friends.  That would be an even greater pathology, in a way---a narcissism so extreme that it causes a person to think his friends can&#039;t live without him.  I just don&#039;t think that&#039;s what was going on here at all. I suppose we&#039;ll learn more as time goes on. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:</p>
<p>I assume you&#8217;re referring to <a href="http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/27/washington-school-names-released-suicide/18005551/" rel="nofollow">this report</a>.</p>
<p>However, the very same article quotes an eyewitness as saying the opposite.  There&#8217;s a video, too.  This kid was right next to the table, and called 911:</p>
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<p>As far as your theory about the murder motive goes, the same thing had occurred to me but I rejected it.  That&#8217;s because, although it&#8217;s not an unusual motive for parents who murder children, I&#8217;ve never heard of it with peers.  It seems quite limited to parent/child murders, or sometimes elderly spouses (but that tends more to be a suicide pact).  I have never heard of such a thing with an adolescent and friends.  That would be an even greater pathology, in a way&#8212;a narcissism so extreme that it causes a person to think his friends can&#8217;t live without him.  I just don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s what was going on here at all. I suppose we&#8217;ll learn more as time goes on. </p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: &quot;He may have shot himself accidentally while a teacher was grappling with him&quot;

Early investigation reporting is Fryberg was confronted by a teacher but there was no physical contact, which points to suicide rather than unintentionally shooting himself in a struggle. The reporting also says he invited his friends to join him for lunch. It appears his intent was targeted killing of his childhood friends and not a generalized shooting spree, eg, he didn&#039;t shoot that teacher.

Off-the-wall theory based on nothing reported: What if he killed his friends not because he was angry at them but because they were &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; important to him? What if he was committed to committing suicide and wanted his best friends with him in the afterlife? Again, that&#039;s based on nothing reported, but I was thinking of suicidal parents who kill their children whom they love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: &#8220;He may have shot himself accidentally while a teacher was grappling with him&#8221;</p>
<p>Early investigation reporting is Fryberg was confronted by a teacher but there was no physical contact, which points to suicide rather than unintentionally shooting himself in a struggle. The reporting also says he invited his friends to join him for lunch. It appears his intent was targeted killing of his childhood friends and not a generalized shooting spree, eg, he didn&#8217;t shoot that teacher.</p>
<p>Off-the-wall theory based on nothing reported: What if he killed his friends not because he was angry at them but because they were <i>that</i> important to him? What if he was committed to committing suicide and wanted his best friends with him in the afterlife? Again, that&#8217;s based on nothing reported, but I was thinking of suicidal parents who kill their children whom they love.</p>
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		By: ann cecilia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ann cecilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oophs! Correction - why not whey!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oophs! Correction &#8211; why not whey!</p>
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		By: ann cecilia		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/25/school-shooting-in-marysville-washington/#comment-842772</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ann cecilia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From what I have seen of Shilene George&#039;s Facebook entries it looks like she was disappointed in someone she was involved with (and she was involved with Jaylen) and their wanting to be involved with another girl when still involved with her. On another site they said that she was jealous of his interest in another girl and she very recently broke up with him. 

I would be interested to know if Jaylen had ADHD
or some form of mental illness, perhaps in the early stages. Also if he had any learning disabilities or was using drugs. This is not to excuse his behavior only to seek a fuller understanding of him. 

As to The Mask of Sanity. I have read it and agree that Jaylen could have been a sociopath/psychopath. They are very clever and can be very charming and appear to fit in. 

I hope someone does a complete study of him and gets to the roots of his behavior. People keep saying you can&#039;t know why someone behaves as he did. I don&#039;t agree. If you can get a complete and honest history you usually can understand whey they did what they did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I have seen of Shilene George&#8217;s Facebook entries it looks like she was disappointed in someone she was involved with (and she was involved with Jaylen) and their wanting to be involved with another girl when still involved with her. On another site they said that she was jealous of his interest in another girl and she very recently broke up with him. </p>
<p>I would be interested to know if Jaylen had ADHD<br />
or some form of mental illness, perhaps in the early stages. Also if he had any learning disabilities or was using drugs. This is not to excuse his behavior only to seek a fuller understanding of him. </p>
<p>As to The Mask of Sanity. I have read it and agree that Jaylen could have been a sociopath/psychopath. They are very clever and can be very charming and appear to fit in. </p>
<p>I hope someone does a complete study of him and gets to the roots of his behavior. People keep saying you can&#8217;t know why someone behaves as he did. I don&#8217;t agree. If you can get a complete and honest history you usually can understand whey they did what they did.</p>
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		By: RA		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wrt Columbine.  Bullies is the go-to because it allows the Right Sort of Person to blame those who are anathema; jocks, white guys, etc.  It also provides an out for those wishing to avoid the possibility of the existence of either evil or mental issues we cannot address in time.  And it offers the possibility that something might be done.
All good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrt Columbine.  Bullies is the go-to because it allows the Right Sort of Person to blame those who are anathema; jocks, white guys, etc.  It also provides an out for those wishing to avoid the possibility of the existence of either evil or mental issues we cannot address in time.  And it offers the possibility that something might be done.<br />
All good.</p>
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