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		By: Exasperated		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840910</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[This still doesn&#039;t answer my question but it is interesting.    It is from the BBC via an article by Jim Hoft on Gateway Pundit:
“The origin has been traced to a two-year-old child from the village of Gueckedou in south-eastern Guinea, an area where batmeat is frequently hunted and eaten.
The infant, dubbed Child Zero, died on 6 December 2013. The child’s family stated they had hunted two species of bat which carry the Ebola virus.
…………………..In some remote areas it is a necessary source of food — in others it has become a delicacy.
In Africa’s Congo Basin, people eat an estimated five million tonnes of bushmeat per year, according to the Centre of International Forestry Research.
Doctors Without Borders has more on the bat-eating family.
The epidemic seems to have originated in a village near Guéckédou in Guinea, from where the disease then spread out. It is a place where people do a significant amount of bat hunting. Just as many other families living in that area, the first family in the village to be infected with the disease admitted to having hunted two species of bat. These were Hypsignatus monstrosus and Epomops franqueti, which both carry the Ebola virus.
Bat colonies migrate across vast distances and we think that they first pass the virus amongst themselves, thereby passing it from the east to the west of Africa. The Ebola virus is then introduced into the population if they come into contact with infected animals.
The black market demand for monkey meat could see Ebola spread in the UK and Europe.
Scientists report that Ebola may be present in more animals than previously thought. So far, it has been detected in chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, antelopes, porcupines, rodents, dogs, pigs and humans.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This still doesn&#8217;t answer my question but it is interesting.    It is from the BBC via an article by Jim Hoft on Gateway Pundit:<br />
“The origin has been traced to a two-year-old child from the village of Gueckedou in south-eastern Guinea, an area where batmeat is frequently hunted and eaten.<br />
The infant, dubbed Child Zero, died on 6 December 2013. The child’s family stated they had hunted two species of bat which carry the Ebola virus.<br />
…………………..In some remote areas it is a necessary source of food — in others it has become a delicacy.<br />
In Africa’s Congo Basin, people eat an estimated five million tonnes of bushmeat per year, according to the Centre of International Forestry Research.<br />
Doctors Without Borders has more on the bat-eating family.<br />
The epidemic seems to have originated in a village near Guéckédou in Guinea, from where the disease then spread out. It is a place where people do a significant amount of bat hunting. Just as many other families living in that area, the first family in the village to be infected with the disease admitted to having hunted two species of bat. These were Hypsignatus monstrosus and Epomops franqueti, which both carry the Ebola virus.<br />
Bat colonies migrate across vast distances and we think that they first pass the virus amongst themselves, thereby passing it from the east to the west of Africa. The Ebola virus is then introduced into the population if they come into contact with infected animals.<br />
The black market demand for monkey meat could see Ebola spread in the UK and Europe.<br />
Scientists report that Ebola may be present in more animals than previously thought. So far, it has been detected in chimpanzees, gorillas, fruit bats, monkeys, antelopes, porcupines, rodents, dogs, pigs and humans.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840748</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exasperated:

I think they just don&#039;t know---except through eating infected meat itself.  There&#039;s a lot we don&#039;t know about ebola.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exasperated:</p>
<p>I think they just don&#8217;t know&#8212;except through eating infected meat itself.  There&#8217;s a lot we don&#8217;t know about ebola.</p>
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		By: mf		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840747</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bats might transmit it to humans by humans exploring their caves where their droppings are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bats might transmit it to humans by humans exploring their caves where their droppings are.</p>
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		By: Exasperated		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840746</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whoa, sorry; I didn&#039;t intend to send the thread off on a tangent.    The question is not about bat cuisine or the range of bat species but about how the virus jumped species.  Did some of the earliest victims ingest the virus and become infected and then go on to become infectious to other humans?   Or, can we put it down to food preparers becoming infected due to handling the bat carcasses and then passing it on to other humans via their body fluids?   So the essence of my initial question is can a person become infected solely by inadvertently ingesting the virus? I am guessing, no but I wondered why it was never addressed by the authorities.
I wondered because there are some viruses that are food borne and can be passed by infected food handlers who are careless about hygiene.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, sorry; I didn&#8217;t intend to send the thread off on a tangent.    The question is not about bat cuisine or the range of bat species but about how the virus jumped species.  Did some of the earliest victims ingest the virus and become infected and then go on to become infectious to other humans?   Or, can we put it down to food preparers becoming infected due to handling the bat carcasses and then passing it on to other humans via their body fluids?   So the essence of my initial question is can a person become infected solely by inadvertently ingesting the virus? I am guessing, no but I wondered why it was never addressed by the authorities.<br />
I wondered because there are some viruses that are food borne and can be passed by infected food handlers who are careless about hygiene.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840720</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabat&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is&lt;/a&gt; what I mean:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Megabats constitute the suborder Megachiroptera, family Pteropodidae of the order Chiroptera (bats). They are also called fruit bats, old world fruit bats, or, especially the genera Acerodon and Pteropus, flying foxes. Fruit bats are restricted to the Old World in a tropical and subtropical distribution, ranging no further than the eastern Mediterranean and South Asia, and are absent from northwest Africa and southwest Australia.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My understanding is that&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabat#As_disease_reservoirs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the group that carries ebola.&lt;/a&gt; Not all fruit bat species carry it, either; the ones that do carry it don&#039;t live in this hemisphere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabat" rel="nofollow">This is</a> what I mean:</p>
<blockquote><p>Megabats constitute the suborder Megachiroptera, family Pteropodidae of the order Chiroptera (bats). They are also called fruit bats, old world fruit bats, or, especially the genera Acerodon and Pteropus, flying foxes. Fruit bats are restricted to the Old World in a tropical and subtropical distribution, ranging no further than the eastern Mediterranean and South Asia, and are absent from northwest Africa and southwest Australia.</p></blockquote>
<p>My understanding is that&#8217;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabat#As_disease_reservoirs" rel="nofollow">the group that carries ebola.</a> Not all fruit bat species carry it, either; the ones that do carry it don&#8217;t live in this hemisphere.</p>
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		By: Lea		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840719</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What was never made clear was whether it was because the food preparers were exposed, and became infectious to others, due to the handling of the fruit bat carcasses, or whether the transmission was via the ingestion of the virus in the meat. &lt;/i&gt;

In the book Spillover he talks about how one village outbreak started from eating an infected chimpanzee. It sounds like they were sick from butchering and eating it, since 18 people got sick, but I&#039;m not 100%. (this was Mayibout 2). But that chimp was scavenged and dead already when they found it. I&#039;m not sure how that translates to bats, who don&#039;t actually get sick from the disease, like we do (and chimps, gorillas, monkeys, etc).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What was never made clear was whether it was because the food preparers were exposed, and became infectious to others, due to the handling of the fruit bat carcasses, or whether the transmission was via the ingestion of the virus in the meat. </i></p>
<p>In the book Spillover he talks about how one village outbreak started from eating an infected chimpanzee. It sounds like they were sick from butchering and eating it, since 18 people got sick, but I&#8217;m not 100%. (this was Mayibout 2). But that chimp was scavenged and dead already when they found it. I&#8217;m not sure how that translates to bats, who don&#8217;t actually get sick from the disease, like we do (and chimps, gorillas, monkeys, etc).</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840718</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

That device &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797144/dallas-hospital-treated-three-ebola-patients-machine-detect-disease-just-minutes-couldn-t-use-wasn-t-fda-approved.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;appears to have&lt;/a&gt; not gone though the complete testing process yet for ebola; I&#039;d like to see evidence of its accuracy.  But in any event, it has no relevance to Duncan&#039;s first ER visit, when it would have mattered, for one simple reason: for the doctors at Dallas Presbyterian to have used it on Duncan, they would have had to have suspected he had ebola. They appear to not have even considered the possibility on that first ER trip.  They did not test him in the conventional manner for ebola until his second trip to the ER when his symptoms were &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; obvious, and it took two more days to get the definitive diagnosis through blood test.  But even before receiving that diagnosis they had him isolated, and staff was wearing some protective gear (although inadequate gear). They seem to have strongly suspected it on that second visit even before the diagnosis, and not suspected it at all on the first visit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>That device <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2797144/dallas-hospital-treated-three-ebola-patients-machine-detect-disease-just-minutes-couldn-t-use-wasn-t-fda-approved.html" rel="nofollow">appears to have</a> not gone though the complete testing process yet for ebola; I&#8217;d like to see evidence of its accuracy.  But in any event, it has no relevance to Duncan&#8217;s first ER visit, when it would have mattered, for one simple reason: for the doctors at Dallas Presbyterian to have used it on Duncan, they would have had to have suspected he had ebola. They appear to not have even considered the possibility on that first ER trip.  They did not test him in the conventional manner for ebola until his second trip to the ER when his symptoms were <i>extremely</i> obvious, and it took two more days to get the definitive diagnosis through blood test.  But even before receiving that diagnosis they had him isolated, and staff was wearing some protective gear (although inadequate gear). They seem to have strongly suspected it on that second visit even before the diagnosis, and not suspected it at all on the first visit.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon
&lt;b&gt;Fruit bats would have to be imported–they don’t live in the western hemisphere.&lt;/b&gt;

what do you mean we dont? 
&lt;b&gt;Artibeus
Neotropical fruit bats
The genus consists of 21 species, which are native to Central and South America, as well as parts of the Caribbean.&lt;/b&gt;

and dont forget the vampire bat, which can feast directly on blood.. 
New World leaf-nosed bats (Phyllostomidae)
are found throughout Central and South America, from Mexico to northern Argentina. They are ecologically the most varied and diverse family within the order Chiroptera. Most species are insectivorous, but the phyllostomid bats include within their number true predatory species as well as frugivores (subfamily Stenodermatinae and Carolliinae). For example, the false vampire (Vampyrum spectrum), the largest bat in the Americas, eats vertebrate prey including small dove-sized birds. Members of this family have evolved to use food groups such as fruit, nectar, pollen, insects, frogs, other bats, and small vertebrates, and, in the case of the vampire bats, even blood.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon<br />
<b>Fruit bats would have to be imported–they don’t live in the western hemisphere.</b></p>
<p>what do you mean we dont?<br />
<b>Artibeus<br />
Neotropical fruit bats<br />
The genus consists of 21 species, which are native to Central and South America, as well as parts of the Caribbean.</b></p>
<p>and dont forget the vampire bat, which can feast directly on blood..<br />
New World leaf-nosed bats (Phyllostomidae)<br />
are found throughout Central and South America, from Mexico to northern Argentina. They are ecologically the most varied and diverse family within the order Chiroptera. Most species are insectivorous, but the phyllostomid bats include within their number true predatory species as well as frugivores (subfamily Stenodermatinae and Carolliinae). For example, the false vampire (Vampyrum spectrum), the largest bat in the Americas, eats vertebrate prey including small dove-sized birds. Members of this family have evolved to use food groups such as fruit, nectar, pollen, insects, frogs, other bats, and small vertebrates, and, in the case of the vampire bats, even blood.</p>
<p>🙂</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840715</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;&#060;    The Dallas hospital that sent home Thomas Eric Duncan the first time he showed up at the emergency room has a machine that could have detected Ebola in less than an hour — but doctors were barred from using it because of federal regulations.

    Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has treated three Ebola patients — Duncan, who died last week, and two of its own nurses who contracted the disease from Duncan. In each case, the hospital had to wait up to two days for confirmation that that patients were infected with the virus.

    The Associated Press has also reported the medical records reveal nurses didn’t wear full protective gear while treating Duncan for two days while they awaited the results of his Ebola test.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>&lt;    The Dallas hospital that sent home Thomas Eric Duncan the first time he showed up at the emergency room has a machine that could have detected Ebola in less than an hour — but doctors were barred from using it because of federal regulations.</p>
<p>    Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has treated three Ebola patients — Duncan, who died last week, and two of its own nurses who contracted the disease from Duncan. In each case, the hospital had to wait up to two days for confirmation that that patients were infected with the virus.</p>
<p>    The Associated Press has also reported the medical records reveal nurses didn’t wear full protective gear while treating Duncan for two days while they awaited the results of his Ebola test.</b></p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/10/19/ebola-response-team/#comment-840711</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exasperated:

Fruit bats would have to be imported---they don&#039;t live in the western hemisphere.

And at this point I&#039;d say &quot;let&#039;s keep it that way.&quot;

They don&#039;t sound very tasty to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exasperated:</p>
<p>Fruit bats would have to be imported&#8212;they don&#8217;t live in the western hemisphere.</p>
<p>And at this point I&#8217;d say &#8220;let&#8217;s keep it that way.&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t sound very tasty to me.</p>
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