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		By: Liberty Wolf		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-834144</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Liberty Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, here in California, where I am again -- in San Francisco to be exact, SFGate, which was/is &quot;The San Francisco Chronicle&quot; was crowing about how many are covered under Obamacare in California.  How many more are insured.  I have to say I got a laugh out of that.  It has been IMPOSSIBLE, or nearly -- to get anything at all to work on the website.  I have a friend who has tried and tried and tried, for months - I am not kidding you.  She is calling now also and gets the phone that doesn&#039;t get picked up (and rings and rings and rings in a government office, that idea) or they tell her they will call her back -- but never do.  I think eventually something will work.  For awhile, I was between jobs and before I got my latest, I did get into Medical here.  Well, it was better than the alternative. But it took months also, and when I finally got my card, I would get my job soon thereafter!  So, it was just months of stress.  I don&#039;t even know what finally did it.  I saw people in person to get it.    That didn&#039;t help, but finally - yes, my card came so something happened.  Again, a little late but whatever.  I can&#039;t believe how bad it is!  

I remember a much healthier and more competent public health system in California, before Obamacare.  It started going downhill before that but this put the kabosh on it.  My friend is an Obama supporter but she is in shock and can&#039;t believe how bad it is!  

So, this whole thing is a joke.  A bad one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, here in California, where I am again &#8212; in San Francisco to be exact, SFGate, which was/is &#8220;The San Francisco Chronicle&#8221; was crowing about how many are covered under Obamacare in California.  How many more are insured.  I have to say I got a laugh out of that.  It has been IMPOSSIBLE, or nearly &#8212; to get anything at all to work on the website.  I have a friend who has tried and tried and tried, for months &#8211; I am not kidding you.  She is calling now also and gets the phone that doesn&#8217;t get picked up (and rings and rings and rings in a government office, that idea) or they tell her they will call her back &#8212; but never do.  I think eventually something will work.  For awhile, I was between jobs and before I got my latest, I did get into Medical here.  Well, it was better than the alternative. But it took months also, and when I finally got my card, I would get my job soon thereafter!  So, it was just months of stress.  I don&#8217;t even know what finally did it.  I saw people in person to get it.    That didn&#8217;t help, but finally &#8211; yes, my card came so something happened.  Again, a little late but whatever.  I can&#8217;t believe how bad it is!  </p>
<p>I remember a much healthier and more competent public health system in California, before Obamacare.  It started going downhill before that but this put the kabosh on it.  My friend is an Obama supporter but she is in shock and can&#8217;t believe how bad it is!  </p>
<p>So, this whole thing is a joke.  A bad one.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-833147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cornhead: actually, O-care reduces the GME (Graduate Medical Education) subsidy.  That&#039;s one of the cuts they used to fund the beast.  That, and reducing reimbursment to doctors and hospitals.

It&#039;s really very simple -- the whole thing is a plot by the Indian Medical School Association,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cornhead: actually, O-care reduces the GME (Graduate Medical Education) subsidy.  That&#8217;s one of the cuts they used to fund the beast.  That, and reducing reimbursment to doctors and hospitals.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really very simple &#8212; the whole thing is a plot by the Indian Medical School Association,</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-833109</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LTEC

The federal gov&#039;t funds the residency positions for doctors.

But it doesn&#039;t pay enough money for all the people that are graduating from medical school! And an MD must get through a residency.

The ACA did nothing to fix this. The USA needs more doctors and Obama did nothing on the supply problem and only made it worse.

Ask Zeke Emnanuel about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LTEC</p>
<p>The federal gov&#8217;t funds the residency positions for doctors.</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t pay enough money for all the people that are graduating from medical school! And an MD must get through a residency.</p>
<p>The ACA did nothing to fix this. The USA needs more doctors and Obama did nothing on the supply problem and only made it worse.</p>
<p>Ask Zeke Emnanuel about this.</p>
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		By: blert		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-833086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hogarth...

The general public would be shocked to know that about 30%+ of the tab is spent inside the &#039;paper mill.&#039;

0-care has a provision that mandates that the Insurance Cartel hold themselves down to 15%.

That&#039;s an impossibly low figure. 

It also ignores the tremendous paper churn that follows totally free health care for illegal immigrants. 

Go to any central city ER and witness how LONG illegals spend at the counter getting their &#039;records&#039; straight. If one applies appropriate overhead burdens to the clerks&#039; time it costs about $100 every time an illegal sits down. 

(It&#039;s nothing for them to burn up 40-60 minutes of clerk time on a visit. While the clerks aren&#039;t paid large, their office space comes dear, very dear. Most ERs have 30-50% of their floor plan dedicated to super-clerking.)

Yet all of this has to be eaten by the Insurance Cartel... as in passed on to Whitey.

In racial terms, the only terms that Barry uses, 0-care takes from Whites and gives to Blacks -- and Latinos.

Being innumerate, it has never occurred to Barry that he&#039;s set up a system that simply HAS to implode... to go &#039;Detroit.&#039;

Open borders and a welfare state can only hold together for a brief moment, like any embezzlement.

The &#039;kids&#039; that Barry is bringing in by the train-load are NEVER going to fit in. 

The orphan grinder is making their teen years a total Hell. 

This is best told in fiction: &quot;Thief&quot; -- Frank/ James Caan explains to the adoption bureaucrat what it&#039;s like to grow up in an orphanage. He has other words about surviving prison life and his &#039;adopted father&#039; -- Okla / Willie Nelson.

Barry is inflicting this upon uncounted thousands. His activist policy is to destroy families. Those sending their kids north have absolutely no idea what they&#039;re getting themselves into.

They think they&#039;re going to enter the set of &quot;Dallas.&quot;

Yet, most are destined for foster homes, prison, and penury -- courtesy of our welfare state.

As to who would hire them? No-one. There are countless Latinos ahead of them in suitability -- right now. And robots are destined to eliminate countless Latino jobs in the immediate future. 

Barry is as ideological as any despot to precede him.

Cruel, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hogarth&#8230;</p>
<p>The general public would be shocked to know that about 30%+ of the tab is spent inside the &#8216;paper mill.&#8217;</p>
<p>0-care has a provision that mandates that the Insurance Cartel hold themselves down to 15%.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an impossibly low figure. </p>
<p>It also ignores the tremendous paper churn that follows totally free health care for illegal immigrants. </p>
<p>Go to any central city ER and witness how LONG illegals spend at the counter getting their &#8216;records&#8217; straight. If one applies appropriate overhead burdens to the clerks&#8217; time it costs about $100 every time an illegal sits down. </p>
<p>(It&#8217;s nothing for them to burn up 40-60 minutes of clerk time on a visit. While the clerks aren&#8217;t paid large, their office space comes dear, very dear. Most ERs have 30-50% of their floor plan dedicated to super-clerking.)</p>
<p>Yet all of this has to be eaten by the Insurance Cartel&#8230; as in passed on to Whitey.</p>
<p>In racial terms, the only terms that Barry uses, 0-care takes from Whites and gives to Blacks &#8212; and Latinos.</p>
<p>Being innumerate, it has never occurred to Barry that he&#8217;s set up a system that simply HAS to implode&#8230; to go &#8216;Detroit.&#8217;</p>
<p>Open borders and a welfare state can only hold together for a brief moment, like any embezzlement.</p>
<p>The &#8216;kids&#8217; that Barry is bringing in by the train-load are NEVER going to fit in. </p>
<p>The orphan grinder is making their teen years a total Hell. </p>
<p>This is best told in fiction: &#8220;Thief&#8221; &#8212; Frank/ James Caan explains to the adoption bureaucrat what it&#8217;s like to grow up in an orphanage. He has other words about surviving prison life and his &#8216;adopted father&#8217; &#8212; Okla / Willie Nelson.</p>
<p>Barry is inflicting this upon uncounted thousands. His activist policy is to destroy families. Those sending their kids north have absolutely no idea what they&#8217;re getting themselves into.</p>
<p>They think they&#8217;re going to enter the set of &#8220;Dallas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, most are destined for foster homes, prison, and penury &#8212; courtesy of our welfare state.</p>
<p>As to who would hire them? No-one. There are countless Latinos ahead of them in suitability &#8212; right now. And robots are destined to eliminate countless Latino jobs in the immediate future. </p>
<p>Barry is as ideological as any despot to precede him.</p>
<p>Cruel, too.</p>
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		By: Hogarth Kramer		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-833077</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hogarth Kramer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 18:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The health insurance industry opposes these laws, arguing that the laws hurt their ability to negotiate with physicians and hospitals and to drive efficient care – which, the industry says, translates to higher costs for patients…&quot;

That&#039;s horse crap on stilts. What it hurts is their ability to put a contract in front of a doctor or pharmacist with subsistence-level reimbursement rates and say &quot;take it or leave it,&quot; when &quot;leaving it&quot; is the same as committing business suicide.

Meanwhile, the insurance company just gets fatter on the &quot;spread&quot; between what they charge the payer and the pittance that they pay to the provider.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The health insurance industry opposes these laws, arguing that the laws hurt their ability to negotiate with physicians and hospitals and to drive efficient care – which, the industry says, translates to higher costs for patients…&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s horse crap on stilts. What it hurts is their ability to put a contract in front of a doctor or pharmacist with subsistence-level reimbursement rates and say &#8220;take it or leave it,&#8221; when &#8220;leaving it&#8221; is the same as committing business suicide.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the insurance company just gets fatter on the &#8220;spread&#8221; between what they charge the payer and the pittance that they pay to the provider.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-833006</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Juli:

Who came up with that idea?  Why, people who want to sell narrow networks to the public, that&#039;s who.

&quot;You&#039;ll save money and it will all be fine because all doctors are the same, and all providers are the same.&quot;

Meanwhile, the speaker goes to the elite physicians and either pays his/her own way or has employment-based insurance with wide networks.  Narrow ones are for us peons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juli:</p>
<p>Who came up with that idea?  Why, people who want to sell narrow networks to the public, that&#8217;s who.</p>
<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ll save money and it will all be fine because all doctors are the same, and all providers are the same.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the speaker goes to the elite physicians and either pays his/her own way or has employment-based insurance with wide networks.  Narrow ones are for us peons.</p>
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		By: LTEC		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-832995</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LTEC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There has been a lot of discussion about where the money is going to come from to pay for all the supposedly improved medical care the ACA is giving us.

But I&#039;ve seen almost NO discussion of where the medical care itself is going to come from.  We&#039;re supposedly giving improved medical care to millions of people, without increasing the number of doctors, nurses, or specialists. It&#039;s not possible. Depending on the obfuscation of the system, this problem will show itself in different ways (e.g. poor quality, long waiting times, small networks), but it WILL show itself, and no complaining about the details will help.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a lot of discussion about where the money is going to come from to pay for all the supposedly improved medical care the ACA is giving us.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve seen almost NO discussion of where the medical care itself is going to come from.  We&#8217;re supposedly giving improved medical care to millions of people, without increasing the number of doctors, nurses, or specialists. It&#8217;s not possible. Depending on the obfuscation of the system, this problem will show itself in different ways (e.g. poor quality, long waiting times, small networks), but it WILL show itself, and no complaining about the details will help.</p>
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		By: Juli		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-832990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We have a magical tendency to believe, if a doctor has done something good for us, that he or she was the only medical provider in the world who could have done that good. It’s not true.&quot;

WTF??

Who came up with that idea?  How insulting.

In the distant past I had a situation misdiagnosed by 2 doctors.  A very serious misdiagnosis.  I CARE about who I see for certain things.  However for issues of lesser importance I am usually happy to see whomever.

These people make me sick.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We have a magical tendency to believe, if a doctor has done something good for us, that he or she was the only medical provider in the world who could have done that good. It’s not true.&#8221;</p>
<p>WTF??</p>
<p>Who came up with that idea?  How insulting.</p>
<p>In the distant past I had a situation misdiagnosed by 2 doctors.  A very serious misdiagnosis.  I CARE about who I see for certain things.  However for issues of lesser importance I am usually happy to see whomever.</p>
<p>These people make me sick.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-832987</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Non healthcare people have no real idea of how difficult and complex medicine is. And, yes, a great doctor is both hard to find and very valuable.

The corporate people and bureaucrats just want to drive down costs (think PAs and nurse practitioners) AND capture all of the equity and profits by putting everyone on salary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non healthcare people have no real idea of how difficult and complex medicine is. And, yes, a great doctor is both hard to find and very valuable.</p>
<p>The corporate people and bureaucrats just want to drive down costs (think PAs and nurse practitioners) AND capture all of the equity and profits by putting everyone on salary.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/29/obamacare-narrow-networks-in-california-as-predicted/#comment-832986</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 14:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Next to the Fugitive Slave Act, Obamacare will go down in history as the worst law in US history.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next to the Fugitive Slave Act, Obamacare will go down in history as the worst law in US history.</p>
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