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		By: Nick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-831116</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 19:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for ordering us to read the article.  I&#039;d seen it earlier, but hadn&#039;t gotten around to it.  

Bush Sr. used to refer to the ruler of Iraq as Saddam as &quot;saddaam&quot; rather than &quot;saddahm&quot;.  I don&#039;t remember what that word means in Arabic, but it was disrespectful.  Name-calling has its merits, especially when dealing with a shame-based culture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for ordering us to read the article.  I&#8217;d seen it earlier, but hadn&#8217;t gotten around to it.  </p>
<p>Bush Sr. used to refer to the ruler of Iraq as Saddam as &#8220;saddaam&#8221; rather than &#8220;saddahm&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t remember what that word means in Arabic, but it was disrespectful.  Name-calling has its merits, especially when dealing with a shame-based culture.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-831012</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Obama and the Arabs dragging us into World War III
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66273

[not to mention ukraine, baltics, etc... shhhh. dont mention it]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama and the Arabs dragging us into World War III<br />
<a href="http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66273" rel="nofollow ugc">http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/66273</a></p>
<p>[not to mention ukraine, baltics, etc&#8230; shhhh. dont mention it]</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-831010</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It’s a good idea, but Bush also talked about it, and so far, not much has been accomplished.&lt;/b&gt;

Bush froze the assets that were freezable. But he couldn&#039;t touch the Leftist alliance&#039;s assets such as Soros, Biden, Robert KKK Byrd, or the Kennedies.

To freeze terrorist assets, he would have to freeze half the Democrat money laundering scheme, as well as the Islamic countries trade and capitalism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s a good idea, but Bush also talked about it, and so far, not much has been accomplished.</b></p>
<p>Bush froze the assets that were freezable. But he couldn&#8217;t touch the Leftist alliance&#8217;s assets such as Soros, Biden, Robert KKK Byrd, or the Kennedies.</p>
<p>To freeze terrorist assets, he would have to freeze half the Democrat money laundering scheme, as well as the Islamic countries trade and capitalism.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-831009</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I read the OPost. But I doubt Hussein O or his regime overseers are going to read it, even though that&#039;s what the OPost was intended for, to be read by the US Regime&#039;s head honchos. They aren&#039;t going to read it. Even if they did read it... they couldn&#039;t understand it.

Total blockade to starvation would work. But that&#039;s like saying if Petraeus and Mattis were in charge, the war would be won. They aren&#039;t in charge, because the politicians don&#039;t want America to win wars. They just want an excuse to fold their politically unreliables to so that the front can get them killed. You know it&#039;s true because that&#039;s what they were accusing their enemies of. How can they accuse their enemies of doing this, if the Leftist alliance themselves hadn&#039;t already come up with that plan?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the OPost. But I doubt Hussein O or his regime overseers are going to read it, even though that&#8217;s what the OPost was intended for, to be read by the US Regime&#8217;s head honchos. They aren&#8217;t going to read it. Even if they did read it&#8230; they couldn&#8217;t understand it.</p>
<p>Total blockade to starvation would work. But that&#8217;s like saying if Petraeus and Mattis were in charge, the war would be won. They aren&#8217;t in charge, because the politicians don&#8217;t want America to win wars. They just want an excuse to fold their politically unreliables to so that the front can get them killed. You know it&#8217;s true because that&#8217;s what they were accusing their enemies of. How can they accuse their enemies of doing this, if the Leftist alliance themselves hadn&#8217;t already come up with that plan?</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-830861</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was too long. He made some good points about the good lines from Obama&#039;s speech. And there were a few good lines, reminiscent of, if much softer, a post 9/11 speech to the UN by George Bush in 2001. 

Megyn Kelly had Paul Gigot on tonight and they juxtaposed the good lines from Obama&#039;s speech to very similar lines from George W. Bush&#039;s speech. Why didn&#039;t the left and the jihadis give Bush&#039;s speech any credence? Because the MSM and the left didn&#039;t believe one word of it. And the jihadis were comfortable in their belief that we are a soft, corrupt nation without the will to defend itself. 13 years later they still believe that.

The manly aggression of young  men can be turned toward good ends. Our society used such things as Boy Scouts, sports of all kinds, hunting/fishing,  and mythical heroes of movies, TV, and books who were courageous, chivalrous, and patriotic to channel that aggression. Today our society tries to stifle that aggression at early ages to direct our society toward a soft, feminine model. Not a good thing for a nation facing an existential threat from outside and inside.

One of my most vivid memories from teen years was after winning a tough football game. Our coach took us to a restaurant for a big dinner of roast beef, mashed potatoes, and, because we won,  milkshakes. We were beat up and tired, but our spirits were high and there was a lot of locker room ribaldry. Full of good food, smiling from ear to ear, and basking in the warmth of being a member of this team of young warriors, I suddenly felt that, if my life ended the next day, it would have been worth it.   

I suspect that many young jihadis, who come from an honor shame culture, are burning  for an opportunity to prove their manhood. The imams&#039; siren calls to be a warrior for Allah  show them a way to prove their manhood and release those aggressive drives -  through rape, torture, and murder.  A monstrous force to be used against combatant and non-combatant alike.

I agree with Ace that we should always call them what they are - murderers and cowards.

I was  glad to hear Obama talk about going after their funding. It&#039;s a good idea, but Bush also talked about it, and so far, not much has been accomplished.  Degrade their funding, go after their food supplies (ala blert), and use covert operations to intimidate or eliminate the imams who preach violent jihad. Killing the trigger pullers one at a time is hard and there are millions of them.  To eliminate their funding, food, and recruiters/inciters is, IMO, more efficient.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was too long. He made some good points about the good lines from Obama&#8217;s speech. And there were a few good lines, reminiscent of, if much softer, a post 9/11 speech to the UN by George Bush in 2001. </p>
<p>Megyn Kelly had Paul Gigot on tonight and they juxtaposed the good lines from Obama&#8217;s speech to very similar lines from George W. Bush&#8217;s speech. Why didn&#8217;t the left and the jihadis give Bush&#8217;s speech any credence? Because the MSM and the left didn&#8217;t believe one word of it. And the jihadis were comfortable in their belief that we are a soft, corrupt nation without the will to defend itself. 13 years later they still believe that.</p>
<p>The manly aggression of young  men can be turned toward good ends. Our society used such things as Boy Scouts, sports of all kinds, hunting/fishing,  and mythical heroes of movies, TV, and books who were courageous, chivalrous, and patriotic to channel that aggression. Today our society tries to stifle that aggression at early ages to direct our society toward a soft, feminine model. Not a good thing for a nation facing an existential threat from outside and inside.</p>
<p>One of my most vivid memories from teen years was after winning a tough football game. Our coach took us to a restaurant for a big dinner of roast beef, mashed potatoes, and, because we won,  milkshakes. We were beat up and tired, but our spirits were high and there was a lot of locker room ribaldry. Full of good food, smiling from ear to ear, and basking in the warmth of being a member of this team of young warriors, I suddenly felt that, if my life ended the next day, it would have been worth it.   </p>
<p>I suspect that many young jihadis, who come from an honor shame culture, are burning  for an opportunity to prove their manhood. The imams&#8217; siren calls to be a warrior for Allah  show them a way to prove their manhood and release those aggressive drives &#8211;  through rape, torture, and murder.  A monstrous force to be used against combatant and non-combatant alike.</p>
<p>I agree with Ace that we should always call them what they are &#8211; murderers and cowards.</p>
<p>I was  glad to hear Obama talk about going after their funding. It&#8217;s a good idea, but Bush also talked about it, and so far, not much has been accomplished.  Degrade their funding, go after their food supplies (ala blert), and use covert operations to intimidate or eliminate the imams who preach violent jihad. Killing the trigger pullers one at a time is hard and there are millions of them.  To eliminate their funding, food, and recruiters/inciters is, IMO, more efficient.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For some reason, much more spam than usual is getting through the spam filter tonight.  I&#039;ll get rid of it, pronto.  But I usually don&#039;t need a captcha plugin here, because the spam filter is ordinarily much more efficient than this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, much more spam than usual is getting through the spam filter tonight.  I&#8217;ll get rid of it, pronto.  But I usually don&#8217;t need a captcha plugin here, because the spam filter is ordinarily much more efficient than this.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, why Turkey out from all this?

You know most those ISIS fighters coming through though Turky border to Syria &#038; Iraq, some news outlet they goes deeper those ISIS fighter having training camped on the border inside Turkey?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, why Turkey out from all this?</p>
<p>You know most those ISIS fighters coming through though Turky border to Syria &amp; Iraq, some news outlet they goes deeper those ISIS fighter having training camped on the border inside Turkey?</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://wonkette.com/561268/bill-oreilly-recruiting-mercenaries-to-win-the-war-on-terror-enlist-now&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bill O’Reilly&lt;/a&gt; Recruiting Mercenaries To Win The War On Terror, Enlist Now!]]></description>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/24/talking-to-the-men-of-isis/#comment-830839</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2014 02:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, Neo. Very good post by Ace.  

And I agree with his reasons for giving Obama at least an ounce of credit for his UN speech: 

Ace: &quot;I&#039;m writing this post as constructively as I can. I do not have any love for Obama, but he did manage to say some things of a very minor useful nature.

I&#039;d like to encourage him to say more like that.&quot;

He makes another good point I&#039;m not sure I&#039;ve seen before: 

&quot;Obama, having been called by his adoptive father a &#039;Muslim&#039; when in Indonesia, is the most extraordinarily well-positioned American president we will likely ever have to make this sort of argument [one that shows that &#039;compassion, inclusion, peaceableness, creativity, industry...sound masculine&#039; and &#039;heroic&#039; to young angry Muslim men] and have it heard.&quot;

But the best line in the piece may be this: &quot;Please, Mr. President -- butch it up.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Neo. Very good post by Ace.  </p>
<p>And I agree with his reasons for giving Obama at least an ounce of credit for his UN speech: </p>
<p>Ace: &#8220;I&#8217;m writing this post as constructively as I can. I do not have any love for Obama, but he did manage to say some things of a very minor useful nature.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to encourage him to say more like that.&#8221;</p>
<p>He makes another good point I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve seen before: </p>
<p>&#8220;Obama, having been called by his adoptive father a &#8216;Muslim&#8217; when in Indonesia, is the most extraordinarily well-positioned American president we will likely ever have to make this sort of argument [one that shows that &#8216;compassion, inclusion, peaceableness, creativity, industry&#8230;sound masculine&#8217; and &#8216;heroic&#8217; to young angry Muslim men] and have it heard.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the best line in the piece may be this: &#8220;Please, Mr. President &#8212; butch it up.&#8221;</p>
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