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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/05/now-home-cooked-dinners-are-a-tyranny/#comment-823068</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[RandomThoughts: &quot;Personally, I’ve always found preparing and serving a meal to be a tangible act of love for my family.&quot;

Feminist influence promotes several perversions, but I think one of the biggest is the devaluing of wives and moms cooking. 

Several of my favorite TV shows feature subsistence living (eg, NatGeo’s &lt;i&gt;Life Below Zero&lt;/i&gt;) and, related, hunter-gatherer cultures (eg, Ray Mears’s various BBC series). They provide insight through the veil of modernity on human social-cultural roots. A main theme is that whole cultures, traditions, and social/family structures are built around food.

Food is life. Mom’s cooking is life. Wife and mom feeding her family with the most nutritious attainable foods, especially her children with her blood in her womb, then milk from her breasts, then meals from her kitchen, is as basic in human relationships as it gets. Mom&#039;s cooking is powerful verging on godliness.

The kitchen traditionally has been a source of essential life power for women. Yet feminism claims taking women, wives and moms, out of the kitchen is empowering.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RandomThoughts: &#8220;Personally, I’ve always found preparing and serving a meal to be a tangible act of love for my family.&#8221;</p>
<p>Feminist influence promotes several perversions, but I think one of the biggest is the devaluing of wives and moms cooking. </p>
<p>Several of my favorite TV shows feature subsistence living (eg, NatGeo’s <i>Life Below Zero</i>) and, related, hunter-gatherer cultures (eg, Ray Mears’s various BBC series). They provide insight through the veil of modernity on human social-cultural roots. A main theme is that whole cultures, traditions, and social/family structures are built around food.</p>
<p>Food is life. Mom’s cooking is life. Wife and mom feeding her family with the most nutritious attainable foods, especially her children with her blood in her womb, then milk from her breasts, then meals from her kitchen, is as basic in human relationships as it gets. Mom&#8217;s cooking is powerful verging on godliness.</p>
<p>The kitchen traditionally has been a source of essential life power for women. Yet feminism claims taking women, wives and moms, out of the kitchen is empowering.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/09/05/now-home-cooked-dinners-are-a-tyranny/#comment-822874</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Charles,
Yes, the extended family time is very important. You get to know people over time and gradually see that they all have strengths and faults. You see them with new babies who grow up to be people with very different personalities. You learn that the rather standoffish uncle is the one who stands by you and your parents in time of need. You see people coping with sickness, and you see people die. I was amazed at college to find that some of my classmates had never been to a funeral. I just don&#039;t believe that more family-disruptive soccer practices can substitute for what is lost when kids don&#039;t learn what it means to be a responsible family member. I had more extracurricular activities when I entered high school, but they were fitted into family life. What is more important, learning how to kick a ball around a goalkeeper or learning how to comfort a friend who has just lost her mother? All these admission officers and helicopter moms are creating a generation of spiritually weakened kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,<br />
Yes, the extended family time is very important. You get to know people over time and gradually see that they all have strengths and faults. You see them with new babies who grow up to be people with very different personalities. You learn that the rather standoffish uncle is the one who stands by you and your parents in time of need. You see people coping with sickness, and you see people die. I was amazed at college to find that some of my classmates had never been to a funeral. I just don&#8217;t believe that more family-disruptive soccer practices can substitute for what is lost when kids don&#8217;t learn what it means to be a responsible family member. I had more extracurricular activities when I entered high school, but they were fitted into family life. What is more important, learning how to kick a ball around a goalkeeper or learning how to comfort a friend who has just lost her mother? All these admission officers and helicopter moms are creating a generation of spiritually weakened kids.</p>
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		By: RandomThoughts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 05:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the things my now-grown daughter has mentioned as a highlight of her childhood is our family dinners. Among her friends, she was the only one whose mom routinely made dinner every night, usually from scratch. 

Personally, I&#039;ve always found preparing and serving a meal to be a tangible act of love for my family. And yes, I worked full time during much of my childraising years. Somehow that (the lack of time together) made the family dinner experience even more precious.

It&#039;s all about priorities I suppose...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things my now-grown daughter has mentioned as a highlight of her childhood is our family dinners. Among her friends, she was the only one whose mom routinely made dinner every night, usually from scratch. </p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;ve always found preparing and serving a meal to be a tangible act of love for my family. And yes, I worked full time during much of my childraising years. Somehow that (the lack of time together) made the family dinner experience even more precious.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about priorities I suppose&#8230;</p>
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		By: Language Bully		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Language Bully]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Neo, that sounds plausible!  I like that phrase: &quot;glass of tongue&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Neo, that sounds plausible!  I like that phrase: &#8220;glass of tongue&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 02:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow - that article is a piece of junk.  &quot;Researchers&quot; found?  Just what was their method for research?  Why call themselves &quot;researchers&quot;?

It sounds more like they hand picked idiots to conduct the research on; rather than doing any sort of real research or statistical sampling.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The saddest part is that picky husbands and boyfriends were just as much, if not more, of a problem than fussy children&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That really has little to do with &quot;home cooking&quot; and more to do with poor choice in picking a life partner.

And &lt;i&gt;&quot;they can&#039;t afford “basic kitchen tools like sharp knives, cutting boards, pots and pans.”&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

really?  cannot afford pots and pans?  But, I&#039;ll bet they have a big screen TV!

A home cooked meal isn&#039;t really about the food in my opinion.  It is more about family spending time together.  At least those are the memories that I have.  In  a house full of boys we were often going our separate ways, especially by high school.  But, we always had Sunday dinner at our Grandparent&#039;s house a couple of times a month.

Oh, and by the way - I didn&#039;t have my first &quot;fast food burger&quot; until I was in high school.  The closest we came to fast food as kids was when our dad would take us out to Stewart&#039;s for a root beer float!  Burgers and other stuff were made at home - it was much cheaper that way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; that article is a piece of junk.  &#8220;Researchers&#8221; found?  Just what was their method for research?  Why call themselves &#8220;researchers&#8221;?</p>
<p>It sounds more like they hand picked idiots to conduct the research on; rather than doing any sort of real research or statistical sampling.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The saddest part is that picky husbands and boyfriends were just as much, if not more, of a problem than fussy children&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That really has little to do with &#8220;home cooking&#8221; and more to do with poor choice in picking a life partner.</p>
<p>And <i>&#8220;they can&#8217;t afford “basic kitchen tools like sharp knives, cutting boards, pots and pans.”&#8221;</i></p>
<p>really?  cannot afford pots and pans?  But, I&#8217;ll bet they have a big screen TV!</p>
<p>A home cooked meal isn&#8217;t really about the food in my opinion.  It is more about family spending time together.  At least those are the memories that I have.  In  a house full of boys we were often going our separate ways, especially by high school.  But, we always had Sunday dinner at our Grandparent&#8217;s house a couple of times a month.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have my first &#8220;fast food burger&#8221; until I was in high school.  The closest we came to fast food as kids was when our dad would take us out to Stewart&#8217;s for a root beer float!  Burgers and other stuff were made at home &#8211; it was much cheaper that way.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 00:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We managed family dinners most nights, though not all, when our kids were growing up -- sometimes squeezed into a pretty narrow window, what with farm chores and club meetings, rehearsals, sports practices and homework.  It took a lot of driving and a willingness to call some pretty sketchy meals &quot;dinner,&quot; so long as we all sat down at the same time around the same table for long enough to check in with one another as a family.  It definitely got a lot harder as the kids reached high school and had more and more going on, but by then the tradition was well-enough embedded in everyone&#039;s expectations to relax a bit.  Nobody can do it all the time, or turn out a perfect square meal every night, but a lot of the value is in the trying. 

Notice how the study&#039;s solutions to the &quot;tyranny&quot; of family togetherness are all about moving responsibility for meals out of the home to institution.  Communities should hold pot-lucks (who takes the time to organize them? who does the cooking?) or schools and workplaces should supply tasty take-out meals.  What that&#039;s all about is weakening the family.  If you can get people turning to the government, their bosses, the authorities, instead of their families and themselves for their daily sustenance, look how you weaken them.  Take away from parents the responsibility -- and opportunity and right -- to sustain and nourish their own children, and what a shift of strength and power to Authority has been accomplished!  

What a sterile way to grow up, on food that somebody cooked because they were paid to do so and not because they loved you, not because they want to sit down with you in the evening and hear how your day went, not because they care about what you like to eat, or about teaching you table manners or respect and appreciation for what others do for you, or how to cook for yourself.  No wonder kids turn out to be whining ingrates, if they live in families where there&#039;s no assumption that being part of a family involves shared obligations and respect.

And then there&#039;s the loss of the opportunity to express love through work.  Not long ago I ran across this poem on that subject, which seems like a typical feminist complaint -- one I might have made myself, when I was younger and dumber -- until you reach the heart of it.  

I Stop Writing the Poem

to fold the clothes. No matter who lives
or who dies, I&#039;m still a woman.
I&#039;ll always have plenty to do.
I bring the arms of his shirt
together. Nothing can stop
our tenderness. I&#039;ll get back
to the poem. I&#039;ll get back to being
a woman. But for now
there&#039;s a shirt, a giant shirt
in my hands, and somewhere a small girl
standing next to her mother
watching to see how it&#039;s done.

--Tess Gallagher]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We managed family dinners most nights, though not all, when our kids were growing up &#8212; sometimes squeezed into a pretty narrow window, what with farm chores and club meetings, rehearsals, sports practices and homework.  It took a lot of driving and a willingness to call some pretty sketchy meals &#8220;dinner,&#8221; so long as we all sat down at the same time around the same table for long enough to check in with one another as a family.  It definitely got a lot harder as the kids reached high school and had more and more going on, but by then the tradition was well-enough embedded in everyone&#8217;s expectations to relax a bit.  Nobody can do it all the time, or turn out a perfect square meal every night, but a lot of the value is in the trying. </p>
<p>Notice how the study&#8217;s solutions to the &#8220;tyranny&#8221; of family togetherness are all about moving responsibility for meals out of the home to institution.  Communities should hold pot-lucks (who takes the time to organize them? who does the cooking?) or schools and workplaces should supply tasty take-out meals.  What that&#8217;s all about is weakening the family.  If you can get people turning to the government, their bosses, the authorities, instead of their families and themselves for their daily sustenance, look how you weaken them.  Take away from parents the responsibility &#8212; and opportunity and right &#8212; to sustain and nourish their own children, and what a shift of strength and power to Authority has been accomplished!  </p>
<p>What a sterile way to grow up, on food that somebody cooked because they were paid to do so and not because they loved you, not because they want to sit down with you in the evening and hear how your day went, not because they care about what you like to eat, or about teaching you table manners or respect and appreciation for what others do for you, or how to cook for yourself.  No wonder kids turn out to be whining ingrates, if they live in families where there&#8217;s no assumption that being part of a family involves shared obligations and respect.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the loss of the opportunity to express love through work.  Not long ago I ran across this poem on that subject, which seems like a typical feminist complaint &#8212; one I might have made myself, when I was younger and dumber &#8212; until you reach the heart of it.  </p>
<p>I Stop Writing the Poem</p>
<p>to fold the clothes. No matter who lives<br />
or who dies, I&#8217;m still a woman.<br />
I&#8217;ll always have plenty to do.<br />
I bring the arms of his shirt<br />
together. Nothing can stop<br />
our tenderness. I&#8217;ll get back<br />
to the poem. I&#8217;ll get back to being<br />
a woman. But for now<br />
there&#8217;s a shirt, a giant shirt<br />
in my hands, and somewhere a small girl<br />
standing next to her mother<br />
watching to see how it&#8217;s done.</p>
<p>&#8211;Tess Gallagher</p>
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		By: reticent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Sports practices and other evening obligations make it difficult. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

CV&#039;s point here highlights how changes in our society make having family meals together, which I think is so very important not only for family cohesion but better physical and emotional health for all family members, a much more difficult proposition. 

When more of the country lived in small towns, where everything was just a few minutes away, extracurricular activities in the afternoons or evenings did not prevent us from getting home to dinner on time. Now that more of us live in exurbs and suburbs,  where everything is spaced farther apart and traffic is often a problem, it seems as if a choice has to be made between outside activities and eating together at home.

And because extracurricular achievements seem to be given disproportionate weight these days in college admissions, most families I know go to extraordinary lengths to make sure that Jr. can list a full slate of activities through all their school years. Against that need, family dinner sinks very low on the list of priorities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>Sports practices and other evening obligations make it difficult. </i></p></blockquote>
<p>CV&#8217;s point here highlights how changes in our society make having family meals together, which I think is so very important not only for family cohesion but better physical and emotional health for all family members, a much more difficult proposition. </p>
<p>When more of the country lived in small towns, where everything was just a few minutes away, extracurricular activities in the afternoons or evenings did not prevent us from getting home to dinner on time. Now that more of us live in exurbs and suburbs,  where everything is spaced farther apart and traffic is often a problem, it seems as if a choice has to be made between outside activities and eating together at home.</p>
<p>And because extracurricular achievements seem to be given disproportionate weight these days in college admissions, most families I know go to extraordinary lengths to make sure that Jr. can list a full slate of activities through all their school years. Against that need, family dinner sinks very low on the list of priorities.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo, in Japan people generally rotate if they are at the same age or social class. Things get complicated between family or lovers though.

They treat it more like Italians treat their food. If you don&#039;t eat it, and all of it, that proves there&#039;s not enough &quot;love&quot; in it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo, in Japan people generally rotate if they are at the same age or social class. Things get complicated between family or lovers though.</p>
<p>They treat it more like Italians treat their food. If you don&#8217;t eat it, and all of it, that proves there&#8217;s not enough &#8220;love&#8221; in it.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;“We rarely observed a meal in which at least one family member didn’t complain about the food they were served,” the researchers write.&lt;/b&gt;

A cousin of mine solved that rather quickly. She stopped cooking, and pointed her children to the assorted boxes of cold cereal. Her children wised up and stopped complaining.

My siblings and I did some complaining- I can still hear my father telling us &quot;this is not a short order restaurant,&quot; but as my mother was a pretty good cook, the complaints didn&#039;t last. 

&lt;b&gt;expat&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;McCardle talks about kids nagging for mac and cheese, as if a parent didn’t have time to develop a taste for other things before they saw their first Kraft package.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Exactly. If an adult sits a 1 year old on his or her lap while the adult eats a meal,  seven will get you eleven that the child will want to sample everything on the adult&#039;s plate.

I have eaten very little tongue in the US, but in South America, a very tasty tongue in tomato sauce is easy to find.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>“We rarely observed a meal in which at least one family member didn’t complain about the food they were served,” the researchers write.</b></p>
<p>A cousin of mine solved that rather quickly. She stopped cooking, and pointed her children to the assorted boxes of cold cereal. Her children wised up and stopped complaining.</p>
<p>My siblings and I did some complaining- I can still hear my father telling us &#8220;this is not a short order restaurant,&#8221; but as my mother was a pretty good cook, the complaints didn&#8217;t last. </p>
<p><b>expat</b></p>
<blockquote><p>McCardle talks about kids nagging for mac and cheese, as if a parent didn’t have time to develop a taste for other things before they saw their first Kraft package.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. If an adult sits a 1 year old on his or her lap while the adult eats a meal,  seven will get you eleven that the child will want to sample everything on the adult&#8217;s plate.</p>
<p>I have eaten very little tongue in the US, but in South America, a very tasty tongue in tomato sauce is easy to find.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Growing up on a farm, meals were the product of our labor, and substantial.  The caution was do not put on your plate what you are not prepared to eat. We raised our kids the same way. Dinner was family time, a time to talk about the events of the day and discuss whatever was on our minds. Dinner usually lasted an hour and was a time of bonding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up on a farm, meals were the product of our labor, and substantial.  The caution was do not put on your plate what you are not prepared to eat. We raised our kids the same way. Dinner was family time, a time to talk about the events of the day and discuss whatever was on our minds. Dinner usually lasted an hour and was a time of bonding.</p>
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