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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-821346</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2014 02:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric...The Horror of Iraq today is 100% to the credit of Barack the Pretender. Abandonment and Retreat from the huge victory and stability that The Surge and its aftermath brought with American strategy, muscle and planned long term backup. 

Having seen the newest beheading of an American civilian by ISIS, the Vast Testicular Concavity made no statement before he boarded his plane to Estonia to assure them that they have American backup. Can you imagine---with the Ukraine not receiving our material support, much less anything else from us---how that must make the Estonians shiver with confidence??

ISIS needs killing to the last butcher. Every one of them in the ground with---wherever practical---the company of gutted pigs. KILL them ALL. Rain Fuel-Air explosives on the ones outside the cities. They are pure, naked Evil.

And, Obama(like Nero)fiddles...Loathsome. Unforgivable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;The Horror of Iraq today is 100% to the credit of Barack the Pretender. Abandonment and Retreat from the huge victory and stability that The Surge and its aftermath brought with American strategy, muscle and planned long term backup. </p>
<p>Having seen the newest beheading of an American civilian by ISIS, the Vast Testicular Concavity made no statement before he boarded his plane to Estonia to assure them that they have American backup. Can you imagine&#8212;with the Ukraine not receiving our material support, much less anything else from us&#8212;how that must make the Estonians shiver with confidence??</p>
<p>ISIS needs killing to the last butcher. Every one of them in the ground with&#8212;wherever practical&#8212;the company of gutted pigs. KILL them ALL. Rain Fuel-Air explosives on the ones outside the cities. They are pure, naked Evil.</p>
<p>And, Obama(like Nero)fiddles&#8230;Loathsome. Unforgivable.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-821120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NeoConScum,

The worst aspect of the Democrats&#039; opposition to Bush&#039;s Iraq enforcement was that Bush carried forward the Iraq enforcement from Clinton. In fact, Clinton&#039;s initial endorsement of Bush and OIF cited to Clinton&#039;s own Iraq enforcement experience. Democrat Congressmen who voted for PL 107-243 were, like Clinton, merely consistent with their role in Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement that was picked up by Bush.

During the Clinton administration, Russia and other international Saddam advocates used the &lt;i&gt;same&lt;/i&gt; narrative against Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement that they carried forward to oppose Bush&#039;s Iraq enforcement.

What changed? With Bush as President and Leftists pushing the Russian narrative, the same Democrats who had approved or even - as Clinton officials - personally carried out Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement chose to adopt the Russian narrative to oppose Bush, even though the Democrats had worked against the same Russian narrative for Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement. 

The 180-degree partisan flip was a cynical partisan maneuver by the Democrats. But what&#039;s more striking is the tactic shouldn&#039;t have worked. The 8-year record of Clinton&#039;s Iraq enforcement, decade-plus Congressional record on Iraq, and near-decade of Russian narrative opposing the US-led Iraq enforcement had all been open-source, headline news. Yet despite all that, the Democrats/Left&#039;s brazenly revisionist adoption of the Russian narrative against Bush&#039;s Iraq enforcement prevailed in the popular zeitgeist.

Why do the Democrats and Left believe they can get away with anything in the activist game? Because their success lying brazenly about Iraq - despite that the Iraq enforcement record and primary sources clearly show OIF was right on the law and justified on the policy - proves they can get away with anything in the activist game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeoConScum,</p>
<p>The worst aspect of the Democrats&#8217; opposition to Bush&#8217;s Iraq enforcement was that Bush carried forward the Iraq enforcement from Clinton. In fact, Clinton&#8217;s initial endorsement of Bush and OIF cited to Clinton&#8217;s own Iraq enforcement experience. Democrat Congressmen who voted for PL 107-243 were, like Clinton, merely consistent with their role in Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement that was picked up by Bush.</p>
<p>During the Clinton administration, Russia and other international Saddam advocates used the <i>same</i> narrative against Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement that they carried forward to oppose Bush&#8217;s Iraq enforcement.</p>
<p>What changed? With Bush as President and Leftists pushing the Russian narrative, the same Democrats who had approved or even &#8211; as Clinton officials &#8211; personally carried out Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement chose to adopt the Russian narrative to oppose Bush, even though the Democrats had worked against the same Russian narrative for Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement. </p>
<p>The 180-degree partisan flip was a cynical partisan maneuver by the Democrats. But what&#8217;s more striking is the tactic shouldn&#8217;t have worked. The 8-year record of Clinton&#8217;s Iraq enforcement, decade-plus Congressional record on Iraq, and near-decade of Russian narrative opposing the US-led Iraq enforcement had all been open-source, headline news. Yet despite all that, the Democrats/Left&#8217;s brazenly revisionist adoption of the Russian narrative against Bush&#8217;s Iraq enforcement prevailed in the popular zeitgeist.</p>
<p>Why do the Democrats and Left believe they can get away with anything in the activist game? Because their success lying brazenly about Iraq &#8211; despite that the Iraq enforcement record and primary sources clearly show OIF was right on the law and justified on the policy &#8211; proves they can get away with anything in the activist game.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820918</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2014 02:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric...I will always remember Tommy Daschle&#039;s repeated bleating &#038; whining on the senate floor in the summer and into the Fall of 2002 about whaaaat was President Bush &quot;..going to do about Iraq..&quot;  Then, as you mention above, the president went to the U.N. and made a short, powerful, easy to understand speech to the General Assembly. It shut up the Democrat senate leader for a nano-second until he nimbly found other Bush deficiencies to cry about. God, what punks they were and remain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;I will always remember Tommy Daschle&#8217;s repeated bleating &amp; whining on the senate floor in the summer and into the Fall of 2002 about whaaaat was President Bush &#8220;..going to do about Iraq..&#8221;  Then, as you mention above, the president went to the U.N. and made a short, powerful, easy to understand speech to the General Assembly. It shut up the Democrat senate leader for a nano-second until he nimbly found other Bush deficiencies to cry about. God, what punks they were and remain.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820874</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 23:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NeoConScum: &quot;Appreciate the information.&quot;

The Duelfer Report is on-line, as are the other primary sources I cited.

Basic essentials for understanding OIF in the proper context include the 1990-2002 UNSC resolutions for Iraq (at minimum, see UNSCRs 687, 688, and 1441), Public Law 107-243 (the 2002 Congressional authorization for use of military force against Iraq), President Clinton&#039;s announcement of Operation Desert Fox (the penultimate military enforcement step that set the baseline precedent for OIF), President Bush&#039;s remarks to the United Nations General Assembly and excerpts from the 2003 State of the Union, the March 2003 UNMOVIC Cluster Document (summary) that triggered Bush&#039;s final decision for OIF, and the Iraq Survey Group&#039;s Duelfer Report.

Links here:
http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#furtherreading]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeoConScum: &#8220;Appreciate the information.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Duelfer Report is on-line, as are the other primary sources I cited.</p>
<p>Basic essentials for understanding OIF in the proper context include the 1990-2002 UNSC resolutions for Iraq (at minimum, see UNSCRs 687, 688, and 1441), Public Law 107-243 (the 2002 Congressional authorization for use of military force against Iraq), President Clinton&#8217;s announcement of Operation Desert Fox (the penultimate military enforcement step that set the baseline precedent for OIF), President Bush&#8217;s remarks to the United Nations General Assembly and excerpts from the 2003 State of the Union, the March 2003 UNMOVIC Cluster Document (summary) that triggered Bush&#8217;s final decision for OIF, and the Iraq Survey Group&#8217;s Duelfer Report.</p>
<p>Links here:<br />
<a href="http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#furtherreading" rel="nofollow ugc">http://learning-curve.blogspot.com/2014/05/operation-iraqi-freedom-faq.html#furtherreading</a></p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820856</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 23:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Eric. Appreciate the information. That said, I&#039;d take Bush-41 0n his worst day over Billy Boy on his best. But, Bush-43 was and remains a truly Great Man to this neocon. As Rudy G. said to his police commissioner on the afternoon of 9-11-2001: &quot;Thank God George Bush is president.&quot; Amen, mayor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Eric. Appreciate the information. That said, I&#8217;d take Bush-41 0n his worst day over Billy Boy on his best. But, Bush-43 was and remains a truly Great Man to this neocon. As Rudy G. said to his police commissioner on the afternoon of 9-11-2001: &#8220;Thank God George Bush is president.&#8221; Amen, mayor.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820849</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Add: &quot;It’s rarely pointed out, but fact anyway, that Saddam’s own generals believed the WMDs were fact right up until post-surrender information.&quot;

Saddam was guilty of more than that. 

The weapons standard of compliance was established initially by UNSCR 687 and reinforced at the conclusion by UNSCR 1441 and PL 107-243. The UNSCR 1441 inspection period concluded with UNMOVIC&#039;s finding of &quot;about 100 unresolved disarmament issues&quot;, reported to the UNSC on March 7, 2003. That was the main trigger. Since the Iraq enforcement was compliance based - not intel based, as many believe - the debate really ends there. According to the terms of the Gulf War ceasefire, Saddam was guilty on WMD.

Post-war, albeit irrelevant to the compliance-based trigger for OIF, the ISG corroborated Iraq was in violation of the ceasefire mandates. Violations included, notably, a &quot;large covert procurement program [and] undeclared chemical laboratories&quot; in the Iraqi intelligence services, which also &quot;supported denial and deception operations&quot;. Each of those violations by itself justified OIF. The IIS was under Saddam&#039;s direct control and, of course, his regime arm that was notorious for working with terrorists and handling Saddam&#039;s in-house black ops.

There likely were more violations than the ISG found. The Duelfer Report emphasizes that potential evidence was lost in the war and its aftermath, including clear signs that suspect areas were clearly &quot;sanitized&quot;. Also not all captured regime officials were forthcoming when questioned due to fear of prosecution and reprisals. So what the ISG reported found was more telling than what it didn&#039;t find. Again, though, the post-war findings are irrelevant to the decision for OIF since the enforcement procedure was compliance based and Iraq was confirmed by UNMOVIC to be noncompliant on the ceasefire weapons mandates. Iraq was also noncompliant on non-weapons mandates, eg, UNSCR 688, which were also mandatory for Iraq and triggers for OIF.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add: &#8220;It’s rarely pointed out, but fact anyway, that Saddam’s own generals believed the WMDs were fact right up until post-surrender information.&#8221;</p>
<p>Saddam was guilty of more than that. </p>
<p>The weapons standard of compliance was established initially by UNSCR 687 and reinforced at the conclusion by UNSCR 1441 and PL 107-243. The UNSCR 1441 inspection period concluded with UNMOVIC&#8217;s finding of &#8220;about 100 unresolved disarmament issues&#8221;, reported to the UNSC on March 7, 2003. That was the main trigger. Since the Iraq enforcement was compliance based &#8211; not intel based, as many believe &#8211; the debate really ends there. According to the terms of the Gulf War ceasefire, Saddam was guilty on WMD.</p>
<p>Post-war, albeit irrelevant to the compliance-based trigger for OIF, the ISG corroborated Iraq was in violation of the ceasefire mandates. Violations included, notably, a &#8220;large covert procurement program [and] undeclared chemical laboratories&#8221; in the Iraqi intelligence services, which also &#8220;supported denial and deception operations&#8221;. Each of those violations by itself justified OIF. The IIS was under Saddam&#8217;s direct control and, of course, his regime arm that was notorious for working with terrorists and handling Saddam&#8217;s in-house black ops.</p>
<p>There likely were more violations than the ISG found. The Duelfer Report emphasizes that potential evidence was lost in the war and its aftermath, including clear signs that suspect areas were clearly &#8220;sanitized&#8221;. Also not all captured regime officials were forthcoming when questioned due to fear of prosecution and reprisals. So what the ISG reported found was more telling than what it didn&#8217;t find. Again, though, the post-war findings are irrelevant to the decision for OIF since the enforcement procedure was compliance based and Iraq was confirmed by UNMOVIC to be noncompliant on the ceasefire weapons mandates. Iraq was also noncompliant on non-weapons mandates, eg, UNSCR 688, which were also mandatory for Iraq and triggers for OIF.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820834</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 22:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NeoConScum,

Well yeah, obviously Saddam is the cause. He should have stood down with Kuwait in 90-91. After the Gulf War, he could have prevented the sanctions, no-fly zone, Op Desert Fox, Op Iraqi Freedom, and everything else by simply complying with the terms of the ceasefire he agreed to. He could and should have done so in 91-92, let alone 02-03.

But comparatively speaking, of the 3 Presidents who dealt with the Saddam problem, HW Bush is the one who screwed up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NeoConScum,</p>
<p>Well yeah, obviously Saddam is the cause. He should have stood down with Kuwait in 90-91. After the Gulf War, he could have prevented the sanctions, no-fly zone, Op Desert Fox, Op Iraqi Freedom, and everything else by simply complying with the terms of the ceasefire he agreed to. He could and should have done so in 91-92, let alone 02-03.</p>
<p>But comparatively speaking, of the 3 Presidents who dealt with the Saddam problem, HW Bush is the one who screwed up.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 20:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What is a Neoconservative? See 3:47pm above.

Irving Kristol, our godfather, defined us thusly: A Neoconservative is a Liberal who has been mugged by reality.

Like the classy hostess of this blog and many who read and comment here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is a Neoconservative? See 3:47pm above.</p>
<p>Irving Kristol, our godfather, defined us thusly: A Neoconservative is a Liberal who has been mugged by reality.</p>
<p>Like the classy hostess of this blog and many who read and comment here.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 19:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m blaming all those so called Americans that supported Jimmah Cawter and the Vietnam protests.

They&#039;re still alive. The Democrats from Civil War, conveniently or not, aren&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m blaming all those so called Americans that supported Jimmah Cawter and the Vietnam protests.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re still alive. The Democrats from Civil War, conveniently or not, aren&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/29/approval-it-always-astounds-me/#comment-820763</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 18:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric...Think I&#039;ll stick with blaming Saddam Hussein who could have easily averted the &#039;03 Invasion by following some rules and letting the inspectors do their jobs with Open Doors anywhere they wished. It&#039;s rarely pointed out, but fact anyway, that Saddam&#039;s own generals believed the WMDs were fact right up until post-surrender information.

The ISIS Hell is a direct result of Obama the Pretender&#039;s abandonment of our huge Victory. A VAST TESTICULR CONCAVITY for all the Evil Doers to see was really all they needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;Think I&#8217;ll stick with blaming Saddam Hussein who could have easily averted the &#8217;03 Invasion by following some rules and letting the inspectors do their jobs with Open Doors anywhere they wished. It&#8217;s rarely pointed out, but fact anyway, that Saddam&#8217;s own generals believed the WMDs were fact right up until post-surrender information.</p>
<p>The ISIS Hell is a direct result of Obama the Pretender&#8217;s abandonment of our huge Victory. A VAST TESTICULR CONCAVITY for all the Evil Doers to see was really all they needed.</p>
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