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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-820716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 15:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;who could have imagined Obama’s IRS? Or his NSA? Or his Justice Department?&lt;/b&gt;

When I got on the internet, I knew they were watching. The details just got more fuller over time, so risk vs reward was recalculated.

So yea, Art, the reason why people were able to find you at home is because you talk and write too much. And those of us who &quot;know&quot;, that you think were ignorant or below you, weren&#039;t talking. So there you go, that&#039;s the reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>who could have imagined Obama’s IRS? Or his NSA? Or his Justice Department?</b></p>
<p>When I got on the internet, I knew they were watching. The details just got more fuller over time, so risk vs reward was recalculated.</p>
<p>So yea, Art, the reason why people were able to find you at home is because you talk and write too much. And those of us who &#8220;know&#8221;, that you think were ignorant or below you, weren&#8217;t talking. So there you go, that&#8217;s the reason.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-820715</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 15:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See, old news Art.

http://neoneocon.com/2014/08/07/genocide-in-iraq-the-plight-of-the-yazidi/#comment-810787

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/11/found-it-on-facebook-gun-crazy-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-152216

So no, while some people are out to get you Art, there are some exceptions with people who are not inferior to you in terms of &quot;knowledge&quot; or &quot;wisdom&quot;. Cause they don&#039;t feel that desire or need, being your equal or superior to you in many fields.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, old news Art.</p>
<p><a href="http://neoneocon.com/2014/08/07/genocide-in-iraq-the-plight-of-the-yazidi/#comment-810787" rel="nofollow ugc">http://neoneocon.com/2014/08/07/genocide-in-iraq-the-plight-of-the-yazidi/#comment-810787</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/11/found-it-on-facebook-gun-crazy-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-152216" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/02/11/found-it-on-facebook-gun-crazy-liberals/comment-page-1/#comment-152216</a></p>
<p>So no, while some people are out to get you Art, there are some exceptions with people who are not inferior to you in terms of &#8220;knowledge&#8221; or &#8220;wisdom&#8221;. Cause they don&#8217;t feel that desire or need, being your equal or superior to you in many fields.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 04:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nuke the site from orbit, its the only way to be sure. - Ripley]]></description>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-820002</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;People here probably don’t discuss it not because they don’t think it’s possible, but because they think it’s obvious. &lt;/b&gt;

I&#039;ve already mentioned the Abraham Lincoln brigade and what the Soviets had to do with getting the Americans in there killed for being cannon fodder. This was from 1930 Bella Dodd sources.

If I didn&#039;t mention it here, I certainly mentioned it elsewhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>People here probably don’t discuss it not because they don’t think it’s possible, but because they think it’s obvious. </b></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve already mentioned the Abraham Lincoln brigade and what the Soviets had to do with getting the Americans in there killed for being cannon fodder. This was from 1930 Bella Dodd sources.</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t mention it here, I certainly mentioned it elsewhere.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell, 12033934th Wonder of the World		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-819849</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 03:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I argue it is time to retire the entire TERM &quot;xxxx-American&quot;. As in &quot;Asian-American&quot;. &quot;African-American&quot;, &quot;Irish-American&quot;.

We need to remind people what comes first these days, so replace the above with &quot;American of Asian descent&quot;. &quot;American of African descent&quot;... and so on.

In our modern fractionalizing society, the former term pushes more fractionalization. The latter, I say, reminds people of what they are -- what they should be -- &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;FIRST&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Think about it.

^^^^^^^^^^^
My US$.02 &#060; ---- and worth every penny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I argue it is time to retire the entire TERM &#8220;xxxx-American&#8221;. As in &#8220;Asian-American&#8221;. &#8220;African-American&#8221;, &#8220;Irish-American&#8221;.</p>
<p>We need to remind people what comes first these days, so replace the above with &#8220;American of Asian descent&#8221;. &#8220;American of African descent&#8221;&#8230; and so on.</p>
<p>In our modern fractionalizing society, the former term pushes more fractionalization. The latter, I say, reminds people of what they are &#8212; what they should be &#8212; <i><b>FIRST</b></i></p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^^^^^<br />
My US$.02 &lt; &#8212;- and worth every penny.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/386694/judicial-watch-feds-bulletin-describes-threat-imminent-terrorist-attack-southern&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judicial Watch has just put out this statement&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Islamic terrorist groups are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle born improvised explosive devices (VBIED). High-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources have confirmed to Judicial Watch that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued.  Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/386694/judicial-watch-feds-bulletin-describes-threat-imminent-terrorist-attack-southern" rel="nofollow">Judicial Watch has just put out this statement</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Islamic terrorist groups are operating in the Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and planning to attack the United States with car bombs or other vehicle born improvised explosive devices (VBIED). High-level federal law enforcement, intelligence and other sources have confirmed to Judicial Watch that a warning bulletin for an imminent terrorist attack on the border has been issued.  Agents across a number of Homeland Security, Justice and Defense agencies have all been placed on alert and instructed to aggressively work all possible leads and sources concerning this imminent terrorist threat.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s another statute&lt;/a&gt; that already deals with the revocation of American citizenship, and under what conditions it would be involuntarily revoked.  That statute could be expanded to include situations such as a citizen who fights for a designated foreign terrorist group that is an enemy of the US, such as ISIS.

In fact, I could even argue that the statute wouldn&#039;t even have to be expanded.  It would just have to be &lt;i&gt;applied&lt;/i&gt;, particularly these parts:

&lt;blockquote&gt;...(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if
(A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or ...

...(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t think anyone here would suggest that a president could just declare a person a non-citizen.  That of course would open the door to abuse.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1481" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s another statute</a> that already deals with the revocation of American citizenship, and under what conditions it would be involuntarily revoked.  That statute could be expanded to include situations such as a citizen who fights for a designated foreign terrorist group that is an enemy of the US, such as ISIS.</p>
<p>In fact, I could even argue that the statute wouldn&#8217;t even have to be expanded.  It would just have to be <i>applied</i>, particularly these parts:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or<br />
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if<br />
(A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or &#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction. </p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone here would suggest that a president could just declare a person a non-citizen.  That of course would open the door to abuse.  </p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

Also, to clarify:

No law is needed for a newspaper to start referring to those &quot;Americans&quot; who fight for ISIS as, for example, &quot;citizens who are fighting on behalf of America&#039;s enemies&quot; or, if appropriate, &quot;naturalized citizens who are supporting America&#039;s enemies&quot; rather than &quot;Americans.&quot;  

But the treason law &lt;a href=&quot;http://neoneocon.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-819629&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I quoted above&lt;/a&gt; could be amended by Congress to say that people who have been proven to be fighting on behalf of America&#039;s enemies (defined in the statute as those we have declared war on, or who have declared war on us, or who have been officially designated as foreign terrorist groups by the US) are &lt;i&gt;subject&lt;/i&gt; to having their citizenship revoked in a court proceeding.  Due process would have to be observed; it wouldn&#039;t be an automatic revocation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>Also, to clarify:</p>
<p>No law is needed for a newspaper to start referring to those &#8220;Americans&#8221; who fight for ISIS as, for example, &#8220;citizens who are fighting on behalf of America&#8217;s enemies&#8221; or, if appropriate, &#8220;naturalized citizens who are supporting America&#8217;s enemies&#8221; rather than &#8220;Americans.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But the treason law <a href="http://neoneocon.com/2014/08/28/those-who-fight-for-isis-are-not-americans/#comment-819629" rel="nofollow">I quoted above</a> could be amended by Congress to say that people who have been proven to be fighting on behalf of America&#8217;s enemies (defined in the statute as those we have declared war on, or who have declared war on us, or who have been officially designated as foreign terrorist groups by the US) are <i>subject</i> to having their citizenship revoked in a court proceeding.  Due process would have to be observed; it wouldn&#8217;t be an automatic revocation.</p>
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