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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/18/the-michael-brown-case-eyewitnesses-and-the-forensic-evidence/#comment-815713</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;My question to the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton or any black rioter would be, “What exactly constitutes justice in this case?” Get them to say what exactly it is that they are calling for. Ask them pointedly if they want the policeman imprisoned without benefit of an investigation and trial (if one is necessary). Ask them to define exactly what they will say if the shooting is found to be justified. Pin them down on terms and what exactly it is they want. &quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

LOL I&#039;ve tried the same thing with progressives for years, and it doesn&#039;t work.

The result of a feral wariness about acceding to any affirmative proposition at all, as much as any well thought out consideration of the consequences of doing so.

Left/lib: &quot;Prove that men have natural rights!&quot;


Me: &quot;Ok, but first what standard of proof will you accept?&quot;

Left/lib: No answer ...

Me: &quot;Say what your standard of &quot;proof&quot; is; so it can be considered and then met if valid.&quot;

Left/Lib: &quot;No! You prove to me to my satisfaction!&quot;

Me: &quot;What exactly will satisfy you?

Left/Lib: No answer ...


And so it goes with these essentially mindless, gleefully anti-rational, obviously sub-moral, and proudly unreasoning bags of appetite.

Have you ever tried reasoning with an actual monomaniacal madman? I have.

It&#039;s not that much different from trying to reason with a modern liberal. It&#039;s as if, once you get down to it and look real close, there is no one really there; just some kind of canned cycle running on its own till the electricity is cut off.

Neo may have touched on something akin to this the other day in discussing what actually interested most people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;My question to the Revs. Jackson and Sharpton or any black rioter would be, “What exactly constitutes justice in this case?” Get them to say what exactly it is that they are calling for. Ask them pointedly if they want the policeman imprisoned without benefit of an investigation and trial (if one is necessary). Ask them to define exactly what they will say if the shooting is found to be justified. Pin them down on terms and what exactly it is they want. &#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL I&#8217;ve tried the same thing with progressives for years, and it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>The result of a feral wariness about acceding to any affirmative proposition at all, as much as any well thought out consideration of the consequences of doing so.</p>
<p>Left/lib: &#8220;Prove that men have natural rights!&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Ok, but first what standard of proof will you accept?&#8221;</p>
<p>Left/lib: No answer &#8230;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;Say what your standard of &#8220;proof&#8221; is; so it can be considered and then met if valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Left/Lib: &#8220;No! You prove to me to my satisfaction!&#8221;</p>
<p>Me: &#8220;What exactly will satisfy you?</p>
<p>Left/Lib: No answer &#8230;</p>
<p>And so it goes with these essentially mindless, gleefully anti-rational, obviously sub-moral, and proudly unreasoning bags of appetite.</p>
<p>Have you ever tried reasoning with an actual monomaniacal madman? I have.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that much different from trying to reason with a modern liberal. It&#8217;s as if, once you get down to it and look real close, there is no one really there; just some kind of canned cycle running on its own till the electricity is cut off.</p>
<p>Neo may have touched on something akin to this the other day in discussing what actually interested most people.</p>
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		By: JD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is no doubt in this case that every fact will be twisted in order to make the narrative fit.  It&#039;s clear Brown was shot while he was facing Wilson, not while running away as we had been told.  This fact can easily be explained away for some by claiming Wilson shot at him as he was running away, but missed.  Then Brown stopped, turned around, put his hands up to show he wasn&#039;t armed and to get Wilson to stop shooting, and then executed.  I had read some where that Wilson was supposed to have fired 10 shots, but don&#039;t know if this is just rumor or a confirmed fact.

The most interesting finding from the autopsy isn&#039;t that all the shots Brown took were from the front, but that four of the shots hit him along the right arm, at differing intervals.  If his hands were truly outstretched and away from his body before Wilson started shooting, I&#039;m skeptical the cop would be aiming for his arm, no matter what the case was for him to be firing at Brown.  Also, unless Brown&#039;s arm was outstretched completely horizontal, I find it hard to believe the cop would have been able to shoot along it towards Brown&#039;s body.  The more likely scenario is Brown&#039;s right arm was at his side while he was rushing at Wilson.  Wilson aimed for his periphery to try and stop him, and worked his way up Brown&#039;s body as the man failed to stop.  Wilson eventually had to shoot him in the head to subdue him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt in this case that every fact will be twisted in order to make the narrative fit.  It&#8217;s clear Brown was shot while he was facing Wilson, not while running away as we had been told.  This fact can easily be explained away for some by claiming Wilson shot at him as he was running away, but missed.  Then Brown stopped, turned around, put his hands up to show he wasn&#8217;t armed and to get Wilson to stop shooting, and then executed.  I had read some where that Wilson was supposed to have fired 10 shots, but don&#8217;t know if this is just rumor or a confirmed fact.</p>
<p>The most interesting finding from the autopsy isn&#8217;t that all the shots Brown took were from the front, but that four of the shots hit him along the right arm, at differing intervals.  If his hands were truly outstretched and away from his body before Wilson started shooting, I&#8217;m skeptical the cop would be aiming for his arm, no matter what the case was for him to be firing at Brown.  Also, unless Brown&#8217;s arm was outstretched completely horizontal, I find it hard to believe the cop would have been able to shoot along it towards Brown&#8217;s body.  The more likely scenario is Brown&#8217;s right arm was at his side while he was rushing at Wilson.  Wilson aimed for his periphery to try and stop him, and worked his way up Brown&#8217;s body as the man failed to stop.  Wilson eventually had to shoot him in the head to subdue him.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/18/the-michael-brown-case-eyewitnesses-and-the-forensic-evidence/#comment-815672</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roger Simon has taken a deeper look at Ferguson and tried  to answer at least one of my  questions:
&quot;The Great Society.  There, I’ve said it.  The Great Society, which I voted for and supported from the bottom of my heart, is the villain behind Ferguson.  Ferguson is the Great Society writ large because the Great Society convinced, and then reassured, black people that they were victims, taught them that being a victim and playing a victim was the way to go always and forever.  And then it repeated the point ad infinitum from its debut in 1964 until now – a conveniently easy to compute fifty years – as it all became a self-fulfilling prophecy.&quot;
 
It&#039;s worth reading it all: http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2014/08/18/the-real-villain-of-ferguson/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Simon has taken a deeper look at Ferguson and tried  to answer at least one of my  questions:<br />
&#8220;The Great Society.  There, I’ve said it.  The Great Society, which I voted for and supported from the bottom of my heart, is the villain behind Ferguson.  Ferguson is the Great Society writ large because the Great Society convinced, and then reassured, black people that they were victims, taught them that being a victim and playing a victim was the way to go always and forever.  And then it repeated the point ad infinitum from its debut in 1964 until now – a conveniently easy to compute fifty years – as it all became a self-fulfilling prophecy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth reading it all: <a href="http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2014/08/18/the-real-villain-of-ferguson/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2014/08/18/the-real-villain-of-ferguson/</a></p>
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		By: Mr. Frank		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw this movie in the Sixties. Jobs and stores will disappear. White folks in big cities will avoid black folks as much as possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this movie in the Sixties. Jobs and stores will disappear. White folks in big cities will avoid black folks as much as possible.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/18/the-michael-brown-case-eyewitnesses-and-the-forensic-evidence/#comment-815629</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NeoConScum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[C&#039;mon, Mister Holder,&#039;Yo. Jump into that stew and stir up the s**t, Sonny!! Keep stirring that pot,&#039;Yo, right up until Mid-Term Elections,&#039;Yo.

Oh, and Texas..? Say bye-bye to Democrats winning anything,&#039;YO,&#039;YO,&#039;YO!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, Mister Holder,&#8217;Yo. Jump into that stew and stir up the s**t, Sonny!! Keep stirring that pot,&#8217;Yo, right up until Mid-Term Elections,&#8217;Yo.</p>
<p>Oh, and Texas..? Say bye-bye to Democrats winning anything,&#8217;YO,&#8217;YO,&#8217;YO!!!</p>
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		By: Mike O'Malley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/08/18/the-michael-brown-case-eyewitnesses-and-the-forensic-evidence/#comment-815608</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike O'Malley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Christine Byers reports &lt;blockquote&gt;Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop&#039;s version of events in shooting&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Something similar may have happen at the Leo Franks murder trial in 1913 when a likely actual murdered was the prime prosecution witness testifying against the likely innocent Leo Franks.

Why do so many people discount the possibility that Darrin Johnson is a felon and an evil man who is willing to vindictively lie so that  a white authority figure is imprisoned and ruined?   Remember according to Officer Wilson&#039;s purported story Johnson was the first prep to try to steal the officer&#039;s firearm.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine Byers reports </p>
<blockquote><p>Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop&#8217;s version of events in shooting</p></blockquote>
<p>Something similar may have happen at the Leo Franks murder trial in 1913 when a likely actual murdered was the prime prosecution witness testifying against the likely innocent Leo Franks.</p>
<p>Why do so many people discount the possibility that Darrin Johnson is a felon and an evil man who is willing to vindictively lie so that  a white authority figure is imprisoned and ruined?   Remember according to Officer Wilson&#8217;s purported story Johnson was the first prep to try to steal the officer&#8217;s firearm.</p>
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		By: Mike O'Malley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike O'Malley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hello Neo Neocon.

I understood the &quot;4&quot; as it was used in that protest sign to mean &quot;for&quot; and not &quot;four&quot;, a numerical value.  I understood it to be a numerical substitute for preposition employed by a someone who habitually texts on their cellphone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Neo Neocon.</p>
<p>I understood the &#8220;4&#8221; as it was used in that protest sign to mean &#8220;for&#8221; and not &#8220;four&#8221;, a numerical value.  I understood it to be a numerical substitute for preposition employed by a someone who habitually texts on their cellphone.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[German TV covered Ferguson last night. It was as if they copied their POV from the NYT and MSNBC. There was no mention of Sharpton or the New Black Panthers. The takeaway point was that despite Obama&#039;s election, racism is still prevalent in America.

Someone should point out to blacks that their reaction to this shooting is doing little to improve race relations. It portrays blacks as unable to wait for the results of an investigation or to use the tiniest bit of logic to figure out what might have happened.
 
And the videos/tapes I have heard of blacks commenting shows exactly why blacks don&#039;t have jobs: they can&#039;t string 8 words together without 2 F-words. I could barely follow what some of these idiots were trying to say. Who would give them a job?

As to Baden, why did he give a report after only looking at the wounds? He said he didn&#039;t have the info about the lab tests. He sounds like someone who just wants to get his name back in the news without doing a proper autopsy. Of course, he was hired by the Brown family.

It&#039;s time for the decent sensible blacks to get over their fear of being called Uncle Toms and to stand up to the rabble rousers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German TV covered Ferguson last night. It was as if they copied their POV from the NYT and MSNBC. There was no mention of Sharpton or the New Black Panthers. The takeaway point was that despite Obama&#8217;s election, racism is still prevalent in America.</p>
<p>Someone should point out to blacks that their reaction to this shooting is doing little to improve race relations. It portrays blacks as unable to wait for the results of an investigation or to use the tiniest bit of logic to figure out what might have happened.</p>
<p>And the videos/tapes I have heard of blacks commenting shows exactly why blacks don&#8217;t have jobs: they can&#8217;t string 8 words together without 2 F-words. I could barely follow what some of these idiots were trying to say. Who would give them a job?</p>
<p>As to Baden, why did he give a report after only looking at the wounds? He said he didn&#8217;t have the info about the lab tests. He sounds like someone who just wants to get his name back in the news without doing a proper autopsy. Of course, he was hired by the Brown family.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time for the decent sensible blacks to get over their fear of being called Uncle Toms and to stand up to the rabble rousers.</p>
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		By: SCOTTtheBADGER		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 08:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr. Obama is sending the AG to Ferguson, to throw gas on the fire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Obama is sending the AG to Ferguson, to throw gas on the fire.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2014 05:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[blert:

Well, you can certainly tell I don&#039;t do much texting :-) .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>blert:</p>
<p>Well, you can certainly tell I don&#8217;t do much texting 🙂 .</p>
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