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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would trade places with him.. 
he was infinitely more valuable than i would ever be


&lt;i&gt;
The Left has been at war with America and the West for over 70 years. Until the Right wakes up to the fact and goes to war in return not much can change&lt;/i&gt;

read the educaiton thread, the right sold us out before i was even in high school. part of it through reagan as the elites idea was a merger between us and the soviet union... ie the soviets would become a bit more rock and rol, and we would be a bit more country, and all get along like donnie and marie..   then merge... like Martin Fugate and having methemoglobinemia ... (look it up.. the worlds first blue man group)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would trade places with him..<br />
he was infinitely more valuable than i would ever be</p>
<p><i><br />
The Left has been at war with America and the West for over 70 years. Until the Right wakes up to the fact and goes to war in return not much can change</i></p>
<p>read the educaiton thread, the right sold us out before i was even in high school. part of it through reagan as the elites idea was a merger between us and the soviet union&#8230; ie the soviets would become a bit more rock and rol, and we would be a bit more country, and all get along like donnie and marie..   then merge&#8230; like Martin Fugate and having methemoglobinemia &#8230; (look it up.. the worlds first blue man group)</p>
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		By: Tamquam		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One reason there is no activist base on the Right is that there is no outside source of funding and centralized organization as there is on the Left.  Stalinist tactics work very effectively even without Stalin at the helm.  

I have come to see that the Left always telegraphs it&#039;s secret agenda by preemptively accusing their opponents of it.  Thus, famously, Hillary can whine about a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  Certainly there exists a vast Left wing conspiracy, but having accused the Right of that, the Right cannot make the counter accusation without sounding petulant and stupid.  &quot;I&#039;m rubber and you&#039;re glue, it bounces off of me and sticks to you!&quot;

Yet they find their agenda thwarted in unexpected ways.  Consider the ChickA-fil (sp) debacle (for them), or the Duck Dynasty reverse, and now the pushback on illegal alien children resettlement program.  If the Right were to stop being afraid to get their hands dirty they would be working with Alinsky&#039;s Rules for Radicals.  Alinsky would have seen these three examples as actions that he would capitalize on.  But the Right does not do that.  Too often their battle cry is,
&quot;Woe is me!&quot;  They see themselves as defeated, which only means they are believing the Left&#039;s propaganda.  The Left is terrified of the Right, and with good reason.  An effective leader would wipe out decades of Gramscian progress.  

Electoral politics has it&#039;s place, and certainly the Right should enter those lists.  But the real source of their untapped power lies in the issues they are most afraid to touch, cultural issues.  Homosexuality, abortion, illegal immigration, marriage, to name a few, are all hot button issues for the Right&#039;s base, but the erstwhile leaders on the Right have been convinced by the Left&#039;s propaganda to cede the field without really having stepped foot upon it.  It is also probable that the Left has infiltrated the Right&#039;s leadership cadres.  And, of course, whenever a strong leader pops their head up on the Right, the Left targets and destroys them.  The politics of personal destruction did not originate with the Clintons; the Clintons simply made the calculation that they would be able to get away with using this Stalinist tactic.  

The Left has been at war with America and the West for over 70 years.  Until the Right wakes up to the fact and goes to war in return not much can change.  Marquess of Queensbury rules won&#039;t cut it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reason there is no activist base on the Right is that there is no outside source of funding and centralized organization as there is on the Left.  Stalinist tactics work very effectively even without Stalin at the helm.  </p>
<p>I have come to see that the Left always telegraphs it&#8217;s secret agenda by preemptively accusing their opponents of it.  Thus, famously, Hillary can whine about a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.  Certainly there exists a vast Left wing conspiracy, but having accused the Right of that, the Right cannot make the counter accusation without sounding petulant and stupid.  &#8220;I&#8217;m rubber and you&#8217;re glue, it bounces off of me and sticks to you!&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet they find their agenda thwarted in unexpected ways.  Consider the ChickA-fil (sp) debacle (for them), or the Duck Dynasty reverse, and now the pushback on illegal alien children resettlement program.  If the Right were to stop being afraid to get their hands dirty they would be working with Alinsky&#8217;s Rules for Radicals.  Alinsky would have seen these three examples as actions that he would capitalize on.  But the Right does not do that.  Too often their battle cry is,<br />
&#8220;Woe is me!&#8221;  They see themselves as defeated, which only means they are believing the Left&#8217;s propaganda.  The Left is terrified of the Right, and with good reason.  An effective leader would wipe out decades of Gramscian progress.  </p>
<p>Electoral politics has it&#8217;s place, and certainly the Right should enter those lists.  But the real source of their untapped power lies in the issues they are most afraid to touch, cultural issues.  Homosexuality, abortion, illegal immigration, marriage, to name a few, are all hot button issues for the Right&#8217;s base, but the erstwhile leaders on the Right have been convinced by the Left&#8217;s propaganda to cede the field without really having stepped foot upon it.  It is also probable that the Left has infiltrated the Right&#8217;s leadership cadres.  And, of course, whenever a strong leader pops their head up on the Right, the Left targets and destroys them.  The politics of personal destruction did not originate with the Clintons; the Clintons simply made the calculation that they would be able to get away with using this Stalinist tactic.  </p>
<p>The Left has been at war with America and the West for over 70 years.  Until the Right wakes up to the fact and goes to war in return not much can change.  Marquess of Queensbury rules won&#8217;t cut it.</p>
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		By: Don Carlos		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2014 03:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A powerful and very accurate statement, Tonawanda. 

We are stuck in electoral politics, which means we are forced to think like &quot;political scientists&quot;, which means we become Boehners and Ryans and Roves. And when we don&#039;t lose, even then we do not succeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A powerful and very accurate statement, Tonawanda. </p>
<p>We are stuck in electoral politics, which means we are forced to think like &#8220;political scientists&#8221;, which means we become Boehners and Ryans and Roves. And when we don&#8217;t lose, even then we do not succeed.</p>
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		By: Tonawanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2014 01:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric 5:29 PM:

&lt;i&gt;Again, I see description, definition, and prediction from FredHJr — but I see no prescription.

If Fred indeed “took the playbooks” with him, he should have been well equipped to formulate a prescription that’s actionable in the social arena of activist competition.

So where is Fred’s prescription for winning the activist game, the only social political game there is?

If Fred offered no prescriptive solutions, then he like Neo and the rest of us, all we’re doing here is unctuously whining, bitching, and complaining — expelling large amounts of virtual hot air with no real effect — while Left activists are all the while going about their business, doing the real activist work that moves the chains and makes a social cultural/political difference.&lt;/i&gt;

I say this with total respect and sympathy, because I think you really do put your finger on the crux of where we are now.

I don&#039;t think we are whining, bitching and complaining, let alone unctuously so.  I think we are all genuinely disturbed and alarmed by what we see, not only the mere happening of it, but also by the frightening knowledge that so few people see what we see.

I refer again to Neo&#039;s series A Mind Is A Difficult Thing To Change which beautifully and simply captures a period of time I am familiar with, and uses the historical background to explain why so many folks think what they do and have the psychology they have.

(Totally tangential:  how many Catholics are there who are close-minded Leftists?  Many, many.  Or Jews?  Yet, if they truly absorbed their catechism and tanach their thinking would be too deep to be mindless Leftists.  I am not saying agreeing with the catechism and tanach, I am saying absorbing the deep thinking reflecting centuries of logical inquiry about metaphysical questions).

American culture has been wiped out since the 60&#039;s.  Gone are the cultural, societal, economic, &quot;philosophical&quot; agreements we used to hold.  Think about the family farm.  America is no longer the family farm, in all the literary senses.

The quandry is where to turn.  I personally can easily envision an &quot;activist&quot; agenda from the non-Left, but I have to say I also personally do not know of any non-Leftists who would have any aptitude or inclination for an activist agenda.

To ride a hobby horse yet again:   it is astonishing and bewildering to me that non-Leftists do not use the history of slavery and every related issue against the Democrat Party.  You see it here and there, but is usually brought up in a truncated, parenthetical and apologetic fashion.

There is no reason whatsoever for every non-Leftist venue everywhere NOT to bring up the million aspects of Democratic hatred of black people, and the ensuing Democratic Party present power based on that hatred.  I am talking about hard facts a couple centuries long.  Don&#039;t get me started on the Mexican War.  

I am the only human being on the face of the planet who sees and understands a totally free, totally factually supported issue which can be abundantly and creatively used against the Democrat Party, the issue of demanding reparations to black people from the Democrat Party, the existing legal entity which solely inflicted and explicitly used of the word nigger, opposition to anti-lynching laws (FDR) etc etc etc, to gain and hold power nationally. 

A movie about the lonely Democrat who dramatically and with great personal suffering opposed his party to support the 13th Amendment?  Forget about it.

Black Americans are a treasure, just as Irish, Italian, German and other Americans are.  Maybe moreso, maybe black Americans are, in a sense, the True Americans.

But to suggest the offering of the piquant truth is almost to admit the futility.   You Eric and I know that there is no capacity on the non-Left for the sort of vigorous activist agenda you talk about.  I love the Tea Party, but the Tea Party does not hold any positions where they can effectively advocate, let alone in the way you (and I) envision.

The non-Left is stuck in electoral politics.  There is a single plausible hope for electoral politics for the non-Left, and that is the Supreme Court.  Maybe, but not probably, electoral politics will prevent the total annihilation of that body.

The non-Left has close to zero influence outside of electoral politics.  I love Rush, and Rush is powerful.  He does not get the recognition he deserves.  But he is about all there is.

Where, I ask, is the source of non-Left activism in any meaningful sense.  Where do you see this happening?  Who are the people who are going to do this?

A slow-moving tsunami hit and we are looking at the wreckage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric 5:29 PM:</p>
<p><i>Again, I see description, definition, and prediction from FredHJr — but I see no prescription.</p>
<p>If Fred indeed “took the playbooks” with him, he should have been well equipped to formulate a prescription that’s actionable in the social arena of activist competition.</p>
<p>So where is Fred’s prescription for winning the activist game, the only social political game there is?</p>
<p>If Fred offered no prescriptive solutions, then he like Neo and the rest of us, all we’re doing here is unctuously whining, bitching, and complaining — expelling large amounts of virtual hot air with no real effect — while Left activists are all the while going about their business, doing the real activist work that moves the chains and makes a social cultural/political difference.</i></p>
<p>I say this with total respect and sympathy, because I think you really do put your finger on the crux of where we are now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we are whining, bitching and complaining, let alone unctuously so.  I think we are all genuinely disturbed and alarmed by what we see, not only the mere happening of it, but also by the frightening knowledge that so few people see what we see.</p>
<p>I refer again to Neo&#8217;s series A Mind Is A Difficult Thing To Change which beautifully and simply captures a period of time I am familiar with, and uses the historical background to explain why so many folks think what they do and have the psychology they have.</p>
<p>(Totally tangential:  how many Catholics are there who are close-minded Leftists?  Many, many.  Or Jews?  Yet, if they truly absorbed their catechism and tanach their thinking would be too deep to be mindless Leftists.  I am not saying agreeing with the catechism and tanach, I am saying absorbing the deep thinking reflecting centuries of logical inquiry about metaphysical questions).</p>
<p>American culture has been wiped out since the 60&#8217;s.  Gone are the cultural, societal, economic, &#8220;philosophical&#8221; agreements we used to hold.  Think about the family farm.  America is no longer the family farm, in all the literary senses.</p>
<p>The quandry is where to turn.  I personally can easily envision an &#8220;activist&#8221; agenda from the non-Left, but I have to say I also personally do not know of any non-Leftists who would have any aptitude or inclination for an activist agenda.</p>
<p>To ride a hobby horse yet again:   it is astonishing and bewildering to me that non-Leftists do not use the history of slavery and every related issue against the Democrat Party.  You see it here and there, but is usually brought up in a truncated, parenthetical and apologetic fashion.</p>
<p>There is no reason whatsoever for every non-Leftist venue everywhere NOT to bring up the million aspects of Democratic hatred of black people, and the ensuing Democratic Party present power based on that hatred.  I am talking about hard facts a couple centuries long.  Don&#8217;t get me started on the Mexican War.  </p>
<p>I am the only human being on the face of the planet who sees and understands a totally free, totally factually supported issue which can be abundantly and creatively used against the Democrat Party, the issue of demanding reparations to black people from the Democrat Party, the existing legal entity which solely inflicted and explicitly used of the word nigger, opposition to anti-lynching laws (FDR) etc etc etc, to gain and hold power nationally. </p>
<p>A movie about the lonely Democrat who dramatically and with great personal suffering opposed his party to support the 13th Amendment?  Forget about it.</p>
<p>Black Americans are a treasure, just as Irish, Italian, German and other Americans are.  Maybe moreso, maybe black Americans are, in a sense, the True Americans.</p>
<p>But to suggest the offering of the piquant truth is almost to admit the futility.   You Eric and I know that there is no capacity on the non-Left for the sort of vigorous activist agenda you talk about.  I love the Tea Party, but the Tea Party does not hold any positions where they can effectively advocate, let alone in the way you (and I) envision.</p>
<p>The non-Left is stuck in electoral politics.  There is a single plausible hope for electoral politics for the non-Left, and that is the Supreme Court.  Maybe, but not probably, electoral politics will prevent the total annihilation of that body.</p>
<p>The non-Left has close to zero influence outside of electoral politics.  I love Rush, and Rush is powerful.  He does not get the recognition he deserves.  But he is about all there is.</p>
<p>Where, I ask, is the source of non-Left activism in any meaningful sense.  Where do you see this happening?  Who are the people who are going to do this?</p>
<p>A slow-moving tsunami hit and we are looking at the wreckage.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 22:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking of predictions:

http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/2014-anime-comments/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of predictions:</p>
<p><a href="http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/2014-anime-comments/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2014/07/20/2014-anime-comments/</a></p>
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		By: Bob From Virginia		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve-w.r.t. the youth vote, unless survival is at stage the two factors that determine most people&#039;s votes are self-esteem and the opinion of the person next to them.  If the young are voting Republican my guess it is because they are afraid.  

Let&#039;s hope they become more afraid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve-w.r.t. the youth vote, unless survival is at stage the two factors that determine most people&#8217;s votes are self-esteem and the opinion of the person next to them.  If the young are voting Republican my guess it is because they are afraid.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope they become more afraid.</p>
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		By: Steve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ANYONE noticed that the Youth Vote is trending (and voting) Republican lately?&quot;

http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/07/has-anyone-anyone-noticed-that-youth.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANYONE noticed that the Youth Vote is trending (and voting) Republican lately?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/07/has-anyone-anyone-noticed-that-youth.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2014/07/has-anyone-anyone-noticed-that-youth.html</a></p>
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		By: Wry Mouth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m working on a story line set in a world where the two main political powers are Islam and the Materialist (Atheist) West. I love this FredHJr!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working on a story line set in a world where the two main political powers are Islam and the Materialist (Atheist) West. I love this FredHJr!</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 01:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I saw a comment at Ace of Spades this morning.  I don&#039;t recall it exactly, but it was something like &quot;a dictator doesn&#039;t impose his will; he arises from the popular will&quot;.

The leftists who are disappointed with Obama now think that he hasn&#039;t been tyrannical &lt;i&gt;enough&lt;/i&gt; towards the hated white male capitalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a comment at Ace of Spades this morning.  I don&#8217;t recall it exactly, but it was something like &#8220;a dictator doesn&#8217;t impose his will; he arises from the popular will&#8221;.</p>
<p>The leftists who are disappointed with Obama now think that he hasn&#8217;t been tyrannical <i>enough</i> towards the hated white male capitalists.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2014 23:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first step is to convince people or have people convince themselves. When people don&#039;t believe in the threat, it won&#039;t matter what &quot;prescription&quot; they read about, it&#039;ll all sound crazy and unbelievable.

Only when Belief begins, do people start working on the solution. That wasn&#039;t the case in 2008. That wasn&#039;t the case in 2000 either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first step is to convince people or have people convince themselves. When people don&#8217;t believe in the threat, it won&#8217;t matter what &#8220;prescription&#8221; they read about, it&#8217;ll all sound crazy and unbelievable.</p>
<p>Only when Belief begins, do people start working on the solution. That wasn&#8217;t the case in 2008. That wasn&#8217;t the case in 2000 either.</p>
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