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		By: southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[southpaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Next stop is the Dept of motor vehicles to be handed drivers licenses, the welfare office, and the voting booth.
 Any native of this country who still supports the Democrat party, Obama, et al., are enemies of the state.  Ignorance, meaning well, naé¯veté , etc are no excuse. They&#039;re the ones responsible for what&#039;s happening to this country.  If they cannot grasp a simple concept that any country has a right to control who is let in, then they deserve whatever misery they bring on themselves. And for the misery they bring on the rest of us, they deserve to have it returned in kind. The hell with them all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next stop is the Dept of motor vehicles to be handed drivers licenses, the welfare office, and the voting booth.<br />
 Any native of this country who still supports the Democrat party, Obama, et al., are enemies of the state.  Ignorance, meaning well, naé¯veté , etc are no excuse. They&#8217;re the ones responsible for what&#8217;s happening to this country.  If they cannot grasp a simple concept that any country has a right to control who is let in, then they deserve whatever misery they bring on themselves. And for the misery they bring on the rest of us, they deserve to have it returned in kind. The hell with them all.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 06:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt_SE Said: 

&quot;...but he beat me to it. Kudos, Steve57.&quot;

Thanks. But no worries, it&#039;s not a contest.

And went on to say:

&quot;I think that the government may not be eager to confront citizens outright, though. I take that as one lesson of the Cliven Bundy affair.&quot;

It would also be very awkward for the feds to show up in force to confront US citizens on the border, wouldn&#039;t it? It would highlight the fact that the only reason they don&#039;t show up in force to confront illegal aliens on the border is because they don&#039;t want to.

Which is why I kind of want them to be stupid enough to do it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt_SE Said: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;but he beat me to it. Kudos, Steve57.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks. But no worries, it&#8217;s not a contest.</p>
<p>And went on to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think that the government may not be eager to confront citizens outright, though. I take that as one lesson of the Cliven Bundy affair.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would also be very awkward for the feds to show up in force to confront US citizens on the border, wouldn&#8217;t it? It would highlight the fact that the only reason they don&#8217;t show up in force to confront illegal aliens on the border is because they don&#8217;t want to.</p>
<p>Which is why I kind of want them to be stupid enough to do it.</p>
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		By: Matt_SE		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802147</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt_SE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 02:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was going to dig up the quote that &lt;b&gt;Steve57&lt;/b&gt; had, in response to &lt;b&gt;Ann&lt;/b&gt;, but he beat me to it. Kudos, Steve57.

As &lt;b&gt;kit&lt;/b&gt; says,&lt;i&gt; &quot;[The government] are not [securing the border] and so citizens are forming minute man militias to &lt;b&gt;peacefully&lt;/b&gt; block these illegals from swarming into our communities.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

A problem arises: what if the illegals won&#039;t back down in the face of peaceful resistance? What if they either A) don&#039;t believe force will be used, and just bum-rush the citizens or B) they are being driven from the rear by armed cartel members?

What happens if the peaceful citizens are set upon by the government, forcing them to disband, &quot;or else?&quot;

In any of these three cases (IMO, the first two more plausible), what are the peaceful citizens supposed to do then?
I think in those cases, use of force to defend the U.S. from illegality (no matter from whence it arises) is justified.

I think that the government may not be eager to confront citizens outright, though. I take that as one lesson of the Cliven Bundy affair.
Especially in light of public opinion polls, and the ubiquity of cell-phone video.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to dig up the quote that <b>Steve57</b> had, in response to <b>Ann</b>, but he beat me to it. Kudos, Steve57.</p>
<p>As <b>kit</b> says,<i> &#8220;[The government] are not [securing the border] and so citizens are forming minute man militias to <b>peacefully</b> block these illegals from swarming into our communities.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A problem arises: what if the illegals won&#8217;t back down in the face of peaceful resistance? What if they either A) don&#8217;t believe force will be used, and just bum-rush the citizens or B) they are being driven from the rear by armed cartel members?</p>
<p>What happens if the peaceful citizens are set upon by the government, forcing them to disband, &#8220;or else?&#8221;</p>
<p>In any of these three cases (IMO, the first two more plausible), what are the peaceful citizens supposed to do then?<br />
I think in those cases, use of force to defend the U.S. from illegality (no matter from whence it arises) is justified.</p>
<p>I think that the government may not be eager to confront citizens outright, though. I take that as one lesson of the Cliven Bundy affair.<br />
Especially in light of public opinion polls, and the ubiquity of cell-phone video.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Identity, they could be working for ISIL and how would they run the background checks in time, did they detect for DNA, blood, and fingerprints too?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Identity, they could be working for ISIL and how would they run the background checks in time, did they detect for DNA, blood, and fingerprints too?</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802081</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve57]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW:

http://bpunion.org/newsroom/special-reports/1208-nbpc-statement-tsa-illegalaliens-862

&quot;Published on July 11 2014

The National Border Patrol Council was recently notified that as recently as July 9, 2014, illegal aliens, who had been processed by Border Patrol agents in the Laredo Sector, were released with an I-862, Notice to Appear, and used that document as identification to board commercial aircraft at Laredo International Airport.

...We stand behind the statements of Border Patrol agents and are confident that surveillance from the Laredo Airport will support these assertions.  Any thorough investigation will show that TSA officers and supervisors were aware that the individuals were illegal aliens, had no valid identification, and were still cleared to fly.  Our members, federal law enforcement agents, are willing to give sworn testimony as to what they witnessed.&quot;

When given the choice to believe the Border Patrol or the TSA, no contest. The Border Patrol over the child molesters every time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW:</p>
<p><a href="http://bpunion.org/newsroom/special-reports/1208-nbpc-statement-tsa-illegalaliens-862" rel="nofollow ugc">http://bpunion.org/newsroom/special-reports/1208-nbpc-statement-tsa-illegalaliens-862</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Published on July 11 2014</p>
<p>The National Border Patrol Council was recently notified that as recently as July 9, 2014, illegal aliens, who had been processed by Border Patrol agents in the Laredo Sector, were released with an I-862, Notice to Appear, and used that document as identification to board commercial aircraft at Laredo International Airport.</p>
<p>&#8230;We stand behind the statements of Border Patrol agents and are confident that surveillance from the Laredo Airport will support these assertions.  Any thorough investigation will show that TSA officers and supervisors were aware that the individuals were illegal aliens, had no valid identification, and were still cleared to fly.  Our members, federal law enforcement agents, are willing to give sworn testimony as to what they witnessed.&#8221;</p>
<p>When given the choice to believe the Border Patrol or the TSA, no contest. The Border Patrol over the child molesters every time.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802070</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a waiver.

They have their orders.

The allies of the Left will be waived through. Enemies of the LEftist alliance will be partitioned off to this enclosed building for additional searches and confiscation.

The rest, will be waiting in line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a waiver.</p>
<p>They have their orders.</p>
<p>The allies of the Left will be waived through. Enemies of the LEftist alliance will be partitioned off to this enclosed building for additional searches and confiscation.</p>
<p>The rest, will be waiting in line.</p>
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		By: Ann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802068</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, the &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_RossF/status/487670349014654976&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TSA spokesman says&lt;/a&gt; this &quot;story is completely wrong. [Neither Breitbart News nor Drudge Report] contacted us for a statement and/or info. before publishing story.&quot;

and 

&quot;They can&#039;t show an NTA [notice to appear form]. They need a valid form of government ID.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the <a href="https://twitter.com/TSAmedia_RossF/status/487670349014654976" rel="nofollow">TSA spokesman says</a> this &#8220;story is completely wrong. [Neither Breitbart News nor Drudge Report] contacted us for a statement and/or info. before publishing story.&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;They can&#8217;t show an NTA [notice to appear form]. They need a valid form of government ID.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 20:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t use airplanes, wear a medical mask.

America, the land of the free and brave. Falling into resounding applause from the Senate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t use airplanes, wear a medical mask.</p>
<p>America, the land of the free and brave. Falling into resounding applause from the Senate.</p>
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		By: Lizzy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/07/12/descent-into-chaos-notice-to-appear-form/#comment-802045</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizzy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 19:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is so outrageous. This alone demonstrates that everything Obama has said about this &quot;crisis&quot; is a lie. 

Not only are they exposing unsuspecting air travelers to all sorts of diseases, but they&#039;re treating these undocumented aliens - likely including MS-13 and potential terrorists - with less scrutiny than citizens required to provide ID.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is so outrageous. This alone demonstrates that everything Obama has said about this &#8220;crisis&#8221; is a lie. </p>
<p>Not only are they exposing unsuspecting air travelers to all sorts of diseases, but they&#8217;re treating these undocumented aliens &#8211; likely including MS-13 and potential terrorists &#8211; with less scrutiny than citizens required to provide ID.</p>
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		By: kit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The job of the government is to secure the borders. They are not doing this and so citizens are forming minute man militias to peacefully block these illegals from swarming into our communities. The feds are being dispatched against legal citizens. The feds are protecting the illegals and their illegal entry and using riot  squads against Americans.

And now, Obama is putting them on commercial flights and UNLEASHING them on our cities.
Wait until planeloads of Americans get the ariborne diseases of these felons.

Why not put them on planes back to Mexico and Central America.  
We are under attack.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The job of the government is to secure the borders. They are not doing this and so citizens are forming minute man militias to peacefully block these illegals from swarming into our communities. The feds are being dispatched against legal citizens. The feds are protecting the illegals and their illegal entry and using riot  squads against Americans.</p>
<p>And now, Obama is putting them on commercial flights and UNLEASHING them on our cities.<br />
Wait until planeloads of Americans get the ariborne diseases of these felons.</p>
<p>Why not put them on planes back to Mexico and Central America.<br />
We are under attack.</p>
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