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		By: Orson		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have to disagree with Neo-Neocon&#039;s disquisition on faction -  The Federalist Papers, No. 10 - for explaining our times. Obama is but the necessary expressive symptom of a more general decline in American culture that the Founders foresaw. 

Instead, I think the problem is declining virtue (ie, character). they warned and foresaw that only people of good character could keep a Republic going. Both Franklin and Adams said this clearly. And the root of where we&#039;ve failed is in sustaining the virtue of honesty. 

Once the liberal (ie, libertarian-liberal) media became a Pretorian Guard, along with the education-scientific complex, and the entertainment complex, denigrating all honesty, then neither right reason nor enlightenment can prevail against emotionalism and the &#039;magical &#039;thinking&#039; of the mob, the low information voters, and the hysterical fascist power-lusting Left.

Last November, Anglo Codevilla wrote about this in &quot;Lies Corrupt Democracy.&quot; http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/11/10/lies-corrupt-democracy/

Poreffor Codevilla reviews the honest accountability that it took Republicans to impeach Nixon, and the hits against honesty that took place during the Clinton impeachment resulting in the Big Lie (&quot;It was all about S-E-X!&quot; Ken Starris a religious wingnut who hates it!), and now the sundry indifference to Obama&#039;s pervasive calumnies, smears, and unconstitutional, traitorous, terpitude. 

Decades ago, it all took seriousness, honesty, and courage - and who shows that now? Who won&#039;t be ridiculed by our sitting President? Who is The Man For All Seasons?

And this evokes drsanity&#039;s occasional citation of postmodernist epistemology in undercutting the reality testing that once fitfully moored the Left.

And lastly, consider Hugh Hewitt&#039;s interview with Dr. Victor Davis Hansen on the former&#039;s syndicated talk show Wednesday (The interview notes or even podcast may be posted online here soon, today  http://www.hughhewitt.com/): VDH states that we are living in revolutionary times much like 19th century France (alluding to the revolutions of 1848, I believe), and that by Obama&#039;s conduct we can be sure that this chaos and decline is what he really wants - he&#039;s pleased to see us afflicted.

(Cue the Dinesh D&#039;souza &quot;America&quot; movie trailer.)

Again, both VDH and the host Hugh Hewitt agree that Obama was and is a pro-ruption marking our decline - an indicator, not a unique messenger. Only the ongoing corruption of all the other sources of cultural leadership - the sources of ruling class authority through politics, education, and mass media, that directs us towards decline - make Him possible. (For evidence, see Metacritic reviews roundly dismiss &quot;America&quot; like Obama would, here http://www.metacritic.com/movie/america/critic-reviews)

Which is why we - or at least, me - are pessimists. What could change my pessimism? Reversing virtually ALL Obama programs, for one; making, like Scott Walker in Wisconsin, all federal labor unions illegal - because Lenin understood them to be the incubators spreading Marxist-international revolution. 

Next, there would need to be a mass move into charter schools and home schooling to really educate the young. With the subsequent closing down of the educrat &quot;schools of education,&quot; then mass indoctrination of youth could be prevented.
At least for a growing, intellectually active and accomplished cadre of millions of young. And then, abolishing the federal Department of Education, leading to cutting all federal-university ties to university level education.

And finally, the most important indicator: ten or so years ago, only about one-third of those under 30 disbelieved American Exceptionalism. Now it is about half. As D&#039;souza explains, this poisoning of American self-confidence explains the traitorous self-immolation we see Dear Leader cheerleading a great nation into decline.

the young have now coherent world-view. To be more precise, opinion polls of those under 30 shoe a distrust of government, yet what they want requires MORE powerful exercise of government. For example, they don&#039;t believe in the promise of social security, but gay marriage and extending state coverage of contraceptive and abortion payments from the state to everyone is just dandy!

Who is the Reagan who&#039;ll inflict a reality lesson on this important constituency and says &quot;TANSTAFFL!&quot; you idiots - wake up and carpe diem your freedom!

A worldview of coherence requires honesty and confronting the Truth - and that the ruling class will not permit to be delivered or understood for all its cool, galvanizing clarity.

Anyway, barring an old fashioned coup d&#039;etate, it&#039;s over. Time to Go Galt. Hunker down (if you haven&#039;t already). Get you dual citizenship and prepare for the coming of the next crises - get your affairs and emergency supplies in order - or maybe get out ahead of the next national emergency or  implosion. 

Because even my retired Leftist friends are worried about a country with no spare economic resources remaining to rescue the economy next time. The One has squandered away a healthy, productive economy - something only a competitive capitalist restructuring could do to rebuild productive personal incomes and restore institutional reserves.
We&#039;re all out of &#039;bullets&#039; or tools and no longer make our own luck. Look out below! 

Our U.S. rankings for media freedom have collapsed to 47th in the world, and for economic freedom to 18th or lower (I recall 26 or 27th, but I cannot locate that stat); the UN reports that after Bush shrank this number, now - with Obama - the number of refugees in the world has swelled to over 51 million, a post-World War Two record high. And now our own Belief in Freedom has plummeted to 36th in the world. (SEE http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0701/Land-of-the-free-Not-so-much.-Americans-sense-of-freedom-drops-poll-finds) Without freedom, happiness falls too.

The greatest times of the greatest nation in world history are over. We are in an outrageous, insane, self-inflicted national decline. To borrow perhaps the most famous sci-fi movie line of all-time, Damn  you, Obama! - Damn you all to Hell!! 

Have a happy Independence Day! - it will be a revolutionary era tri-corner hat with an Obama Joker-faced &quot;SOCIALIST!&quot; macabres kind of T-shirt day for me. Because there is a damaged and dangerous Joker for wielding absolutist power over everyone now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with Neo-Neocon&#8217;s disquisition on faction &#8211;  The Federalist Papers, No. 10 &#8211; for explaining our times. Obama is but the necessary expressive symptom of a more general decline in American culture that the Founders foresaw. </p>
<p>Instead, I think the problem is declining virtue (ie, character). they warned and foresaw that only people of good character could keep a Republic going. Both Franklin and Adams said this clearly. And the root of where we&#8217;ve failed is in sustaining the virtue of honesty. </p>
<p>Once the liberal (ie, libertarian-liberal) media became a Pretorian Guard, along with the education-scientific complex, and the entertainment complex, denigrating all honesty, then neither right reason nor enlightenment can prevail against emotionalism and the &#8216;magical &#8216;thinking&#8217; of the mob, the low information voters, and the hysterical fascist power-lusting Left.</p>
<p>Last November, Anglo Codevilla wrote about this in &#8220;Lies Corrupt Democracy.&#8221; <a href="http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/11/10/lies-corrupt-democracy/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/11/10/lies-corrupt-democracy/</a></p>
<p>Poreffor Codevilla reviews the honest accountability that it took Republicans to impeach Nixon, and the hits against honesty that took place during the Clinton impeachment resulting in the Big Lie (&#8220;It was all about S-E-X!&#8221; Ken Starris a religious wingnut who hates it!), and now the sundry indifference to Obama&#8217;s pervasive calumnies, smears, and unconstitutional, traitorous, terpitude. </p>
<p>Decades ago, it all took seriousness, honesty, and courage &#8211; and who shows that now? Who won&#8217;t be ridiculed by our sitting President? Who is The Man For All Seasons?</p>
<p>And this evokes drsanity&#8217;s occasional citation of postmodernist epistemology in undercutting the reality testing that once fitfully moored the Left.</p>
<p>And lastly, consider Hugh Hewitt&#8217;s interview with Dr. Victor Davis Hansen on the former&#8217;s syndicated talk show Wednesday (The interview notes or even podcast may be posted online here soon, today  <a href="http://www.hughhewitt.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hughhewitt.com/</a>): VDH states that we are living in revolutionary times much like 19th century France (alluding to the revolutions of 1848, I believe), and that by Obama&#8217;s conduct we can be sure that this chaos and decline is what he really wants &#8211; he&#8217;s pleased to see us afflicted.</p>
<p>(Cue the Dinesh D&#8217;souza &#8220;America&#8221; movie trailer.)</p>
<p>Again, both VDH and the host Hugh Hewitt agree that Obama was and is a pro-ruption marking our decline &#8211; an indicator, not a unique messenger. Only the ongoing corruption of all the other sources of cultural leadership &#8211; the sources of ruling class authority through politics, education, and mass media, that directs us towards decline &#8211; make Him possible. (For evidence, see Metacritic reviews roundly dismiss &#8220;America&#8221; like Obama would, here <a href="http://www.metacritic.com/movie/america/critic-reviews" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.metacritic.com/movie/america/critic-reviews</a>)</p>
<p>Which is why we &#8211; or at least, me &#8211; are pessimists. What could change my pessimism? Reversing virtually ALL Obama programs, for one; making, like Scott Walker in Wisconsin, all federal labor unions illegal &#8211; because Lenin understood them to be the incubators spreading Marxist-international revolution. </p>
<p>Next, there would need to be a mass move into charter schools and home schooling to really educate the young. With the subsequent closing down of the educrat &#8220;schools of education,&#8221; then mass indoctrination of youth could be prevented.<br />
At least for a growing, intellectually active and accomplished cadre of millions of young. And then, abolishing the federal Department of Education, leading to cutting all federal-university ties to university level education.</p>
<p>And finally, the most important indicator: ten or so years ago, only about one-third of those under 30 disbelieved American Exceptionalism. Now it is about half. As D&#8217;souza explains, this poisoning of American self-confidence explains the traitorous self-immolation we see Dear Leader cheerleading a great nation into decline.</p>
<p>the young have now coherent world-view. To be more precise, opinion polls of those under 30 shoe a distrust of government, yet what they want requires MORE powerful exercise of government. For example, they don&#8217;t believe in the promise of social security, but gay marriage and extending state coverage of contraceptive and abortion payments from the state to everyone is just dandy!</p>
<p>Who is the Reagan who&#8217;ll inflict a reality lesson on this important constituency and says &#8220;TANSTAFFL!&#8221; you idiots &#8211; wake up and carpe diem your freedom!</p>
<p>A worldview of coherence requires honesty and confronting the Truth &#8211; and that the ruling class will not permit to be delivered or understood for all its cool, galvanizing clarity.</p>
<p>Anyway, barring an old fashioned coup d&#8217;etate, it&#8217;s over. Time to Go Galt. Hunker down (if you haven&#8217;t already). Get you dual citizenship and prepare for the coming of the next crises &#8211; get your affairs and emergency supplies in order &#8211; or maybe get out ahead of the next national emergency or  implosion. </p>
<p>Because even my retired Leftist friends are worried about a country with no spare economic resources remaining to rescue the economy next time. The One has squandered away a healthy, productive economy &#8211; something only a competitive capitalist restructuring could do to rebuild productive personal incomes and restore institutional reserves.<br />
We&#8217;re all out of &#8216;bullets&#8217; or tools and no longer make our own luck. Look out below! </p>
<p>Our U.S. rankings for media freedom have collapsed to 47th in the world, and for economic freedom to 18th or lower (I recall 26 or 27th, but I cannot locate that stat); the UN reports that after Bush shrank this number, now &#8211; with Obama &#8211; the number of refugees in the world has swelled to over 51 million, a post-World War Two record high. And now our own Belief in Freedom has plummeted to 36th in the world. (SEE <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0701/Land-of-the-free-Not-so-much.-Americans-sense-of-freedom-drops-poll-finds" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2014/0701/Land-of-the-free-Not-so-much.-Americans-sense-of-freedom-drops-poll-finds</a>) Without freedom, happiness falls too.</p>
<p>The greatest times of the greatest nation in world history are over. We are in an outrageous, insane, self-inflicted national decline. To borrow perhaps the most famous sci-fi movie line of all-time, Damn  you, Obama! &#8211; Damn you all to Hell!! </p>
<p>Have a happy Independence Day! &#8211; it will be a revolutionary era tri-corner hat with an Obama Joker-faced &#8220;SOCIALIST!&#8221; macabres kind of T-shirt day for me. Because there is a damaged and dangerous Joker for wielding absolutist power over everyone now.</p>
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		By: Bellarion The Fortunate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true that the Framers didn&#039;t expect enlightened statesmen to always be at the helm. And yet...I&#039;ve come to think of a constitution as being like the operating system of a computer. It&#039;s complex, and no matter how carefully it was written, exploits and vulnerabilities will be found when it&#039;s subjected to determined open source or crowd sourced attack. 

Hopefully you have good antivirus on your computer. Hopefully you aren&#039;t surfing porn sites. And hopefully you&#039;ve got your computer set to get automatic security updates, so that when exploits are found, you won&#039;t be vulnerable for very long. Buts a constitution is harder to update that Windows. And the search for zero day exploits that will allow the ill intentioned to take control of you constitution is just as intensive, just as relentless, and just as clever as the search for zero day exploits that will allow a hacker to turn your computer into part of a botnet, or lock it up and demand payment to unlock it, or make it spit out ads for internet porn. 

We have known that flaws in our system of government, and it&#039;s hard to fix them, because, well, it takes an awfully large majority and a lot of time, and there are people who benefit from the ZEDs. For example, there&#039;s really no good way to recount a Presidential election, and Presidential elections are handled by the states, so the machinery is a little bit vulnerable. Also, there&#039;s no really good way to remove the president for cause without in the process tying the government in knots for an extended period of time. In a parliamentary system, you can have a vote of no confidence, and the prime minister is replaced. (Note: parliamentary systems have hacks too, and Tony Blair definitely found and used the ZEDs in the British system of government). 

My fear is that hackers have found exploits in our system of government that we can&#039;t easily patch. It might be easier to restrain Obama if we had a competent and effective opposition leadership in the House, but I&#039;m afraid that the operating system of our Republic has been hacked, and that we simply no longer have control of it. And I don&#039;t know how to wipe the hard drive and reinstall everything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that the Framers didn&#8217;t expect enlightened statesmen to always be at the helm. And yet&#8230;I&#8217;ve come to think of a constitution as being like the operating system of a computer. It&#8217;s complex, and no matter how carefully it was written, exploits and vulnerabilities will be found when it&#8217;s subjected to determined open source or crowd sourced attack. </p>
<p>Hopefully you have good antivirus on your computer. Hopefully you aren&#8217;t surfing porn sites. And hopefully you&#8217;ve got your computer set to get automatic security updates, so that when exploits are found, you won&#8217;t be vulnerable for very long. Buts a constitution is harder to update that Windows. And the search for zero day exploits that will allow the ill intentioned to take control of you constitution is just as intensive, just as relentless, and just as clever as the search for zero day exploits that will allow a hacker to turn your computer into part of a botnet, or lock it up and demand payment to unlock it, or make it spit out ads for internet porn. </p>
<p>We have known that flaws in our system of government, and it&#8217;s hard to fix them, because, well, it takes an awfully large majority and a lot of time, and there are people who benefit from the ZEDs. For example, there&#8217;s really no good way to recount a Presidential election, and Presidential elections are handled by the states, so the machinery is a little bit vulnerable. Also, there&#8217;s no really good way to remove the president for cause without in the process tying the government in knots for an extended period of time. In a parliamentary system, you can have a vote of no confidence, and the prime minister is replaced. (Note: parliamentary systems have hacks too, and Tony Blair definitely found and used the ZEDs in the British system of government). </p>
<p>My fear is that hackers have found exploits in our system of government that we can&#8217;t easily patch. It might be easier to restrain Obama if we had a competent and effective opposition leadership in the House, but I&#8217;m afraid that the operating system of our Republic has been hacked, and that we simply no longer have control of it. And I don&#8217;t know how to wipe the hard drive and reinstall everything.</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[CORRECTION. It did post at Amazon. (A friend noted they are only censoring profanity.)

See is as the first review of this 25-year old swaggering classic since winter-time - heralding its praise is over due and timely.

SEE ***** &quot;proud and God Damn ANGRY at the worst ruling class these United States have ever had to ...&quot; at Amazon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CORRECTION. It did post at Amazon. (A friend noted they are only censoring profanity.)</p>
<p>See is as the first review of this 25-year old swaggering classic since winter-time &#8211; heralding its praise is over due and timely.</p>
<p>SEE ***** &#8220;proud and God Damn ANGRY at the worst ruling class these United States have ever had to &#8230;&#8221; at Amazon.</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2014 04:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Inspired here as much as I remain in the declinist, pessimist camp, I just attempted to post a brief two paragraph review of A. J. Languth&#039;s &quot;Patriots&quot; at Amazon dott com.

I never mentioned Obama, but I did directly recommend re-reading it to be inspired and infired, because these men and women risked life and limb to dethrone a Monarch 238 years ago!

And therefore it can be done again to depose an elected Monarch, which con law profs have called him, and His Henchmen!

I then concluded by quoting a few apposite lines from the Declaration: 
&quot;He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.
&quot;He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.
&quot;He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation...&quot; [etc]

Then pushed &quot;submit&quot; for my 5-Star review, commending the re-reading of it.

The response, given the advanced age of previous review ought to have forewarned me, but it will appear after it passes their censors-type notice came up.

Meaning that Amazon is censoring rebellious, outraged reviews of the kind that inspires American rebellion. Which means that Amazon is an agent of Dear Leader&#039;s Praetorian Guards.

Just so you know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspired here as much as I remain in the declinist, pessimist camp, I just attempted to post a brief two paragraph review of A. J. Languth&#8217;s &#8220;Patriots&#8221; at Amazon dott com.</p>
<p>I never mentioned Obama, but I did directly recommend re-reading it to be inspired and infired, because these men and women risked life and limb to dethrone a Monarch 238 years ago!</p>
<p>And therefore it can be done again to depose an elected Monarch, which con law profs have called him, and His Henchmen!</p>
<p>I then concluded by quoting a few apposite lines from the Declaration:<br />
&#8220;He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.<br />
&#8220;He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.<br />
&#8220;He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation&#8230;&#8221; [etc]</p>
<p>Then pushed &#8220;submit&#8221; for my 5-Star review, commending the re-reading of it.</p>
<p>The response, given the advanced age of previous review ought to have forewarned me, but it will appear after it passes their censors-type notice came up.</p>
<p>Meaning that Amazon is censoring rebellious, outraged reviews of the kind that inspires American rebellion. Which means that Amazon is an agent of Dear Leader&#8217;s Praetorian Guards.</p>
<p>Just so you know.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 23:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;ve been taken to the woodshed and my ideas have been found wanting. Very well, I will no longer suggest that anyone except me communicate with their Congress Critters.  

I understand the frustration and helplessness felt by so many here. I&#039;ve been there. Been on the losing team, had friends killed in war, seen injustice in the courthouse, felt the government&#039;s hand go ever deeper in my pocket, raged against a faceless environmentalist who got an injunction  to stop my irrigation water, had my pension hijacked by a bankruptcy court, and more. I could go off in a corner and give up because life just isn&#039;t fair. That&#039;s not my style. I&#039;ll keep doing what I can as long as I&#039;m upright.

Those who are expecting violence may be right. I&#039;m ready to cross that bridge when we reach it. But not before.

Now excuse me while I send some e-mails to my Congress Critters. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;ve been taken to the woodshed and my ideas have been found wanting. Very well, I will no longer suggest that anyone except me communicate with their Congress Critters.  </p>
<p>I understand the frustration and helplessness felt by so many here. I&#8217;ve been there. Been on the losing team, had friends killed in war, seen injustice in the courthouse, felt the government&#8217;s hand go ever deeper in my pocket, raged against a faceless environmentalist who got an injunction  to stop my irrigation water, had my pension hijacked by a bankruptcy court, and more. I could go off in a corner and give up because life just isn&#8217;t fair. That&#8217;s not my style. I&#8217;ll keep doing what I can as long as I&#8217;m upright.</p>
<p>Those who are expecting violence may be right. I&#8217;m ready to cross that bridge when we reach it. But not before.</p>
<p>Now excuse me while I send some e-mails to my Congress Critters. 🙂</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 21:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] wisdom, by incredible wisdom, and for incredible wisdom. Madison readily envisioned that the government would be able to function despite man&#8217;s worst nature. However, even the Founders&#8217; checks and balances didn&#8217;t comprehend a president and his [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wisdom, by incredible wisdom, and for incredible wisdom. Madison readily envisioned that the government would be able to function despite man&#8217;s worst nature. However, even the Founders&#8217; checks and balances didn&#8217;t comprehend a president and his [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To clarify something before. As with the birth certificate group calling out Hussein&#039;s short form forged BCert, I never described their cause as useless or wasted resources.

If a person&#039;s own resources are decided using free will on that or developing a communication with Congress critters, that is the person&#039;s own decision because that&#039;s their own resources. That does not violate free will.

However, on the strategic level, it&#039;s a different issue. On the strategic level, nobody owns the battle space, so they can have their rights and their opinions, but their own facts. If their efforts do not produce a battlefield victory, then they cannot claim that their use of resources has been vindicated and that everybody else is either wrong or trying to waste resources on a civil war. If they don&#039;t recognize and respect free will, nor will their own status be respected. The Left has their own resources that they will use to make war. If people here think they own resources and will do X with Congress B, which nobody can or should stop, then the same is true of us and the same is true of the Left.

At the strategic level, only force and victory determines the winner. Since the winner isn&#039;t pre determined, not even for a civil war, the question is who is in the lead. Is the Leftist alliance in the lead? Is Congress and their constituents in the lead? Is the Tea Party in their lead? Is the survivalists and bunker right wing crazies in the lead?

That&#039;s not something that should be decided pre battle, by human arrogance.

The ones that will cause civil war are two types of factions in the US.

1. the leading faction with the greatest war resources and the greatest territorial control in the battle space

2. the opposing faction that doesn&#039;t take war seriously and convinces the leading faction that nobody is going to take up arms, so the leading faction might as well take what&#039;s left.

This was true in Civil War I US, when the South were convinced by their thug slavery is good honor system that the Northern LIncolns and Republican abolitionists were weaklings that would never win the field against the Southern aristocracy and Southern honor.

This was true in WWII, when the West appeased Germany, and then later in the Cold War when the West appeased Stalin.

These are the types that think in certain ways. That having a gun means you&#039;re inviting people to burglarize your home and attack you. It&#039;s an instigation, it&#039;s you causing the fight. It&#039;s a provocation that leads to the fight. They think people don&#039;t need guns. THey think people don&#039;t need to learn how to swim. Because honestly they don&#039;t want to think about scary stuff like getting shot or drowned. They don&#039;t want to think about that stuff, and certainly not prepare against it.

So obviously, if they don&#039;t prepare against it, what&#039;s stopping the LEft from doing it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify something before. As with the birth certificate group calling out Hussein&#8217;s short form forged BCert, I never described their cause as useless or wasted resources.</p>
<p>If a person&#8217;s own resources are decided using free will on that or developing a communication with Congress critters, that is the person&#8217;s own decision because that&#8217;s their own resources. That does not violate free will.</p>
<p>However, on the strategic level, it&#8217;s a different issue. On the strategic level, nobody owns the battle space, so they can have their rights and their opinions, but their own facts. If their efforts do not produce a battlefield victory, then they cannot claim that their use of resources has been vindicated and that everybody else is either wrong or trying to waste resources on a civil war. If they don&#8217;t recognize and respect free will, nor will their own status be respected. The Left has their own resources that they will use to make war. If people here think they own resources and will do X with Congress B, which nobody can or should stop, then the same is true of us and the same is true of the Left.</p>
<p>At the strategic level, only force and victory determines the winner. Since the winner isn&#8217;t pre determined, not even for a civil war, the question is who is in the lead. Is the Leftist alliance in the lead? Is Congress and their constituents in the lead? Is the Tea Party in their lead? Is the survivalists and bunker right wing crazies in the lead?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not something that should be decided pre battle, by human arrogance.</p>
<p>The ones that will cause civil war are two types of factions in the US.</p>
<p>1. the leading faction with the greatest war resources and the greatest territorial control in the battle space</p>
<p>2. the opposing faction that doesn&#8217;t take war seriously and convinces the leading faction that nobody is going to take up arms, so the leading faction might as well take what&#8217;s left.</p>
<p>This was true in Civil War I US, when the South were convinced by their thug slavery is good honor system that the Northern LIncolns and Republican abolitionists were weaklings that would never win the field against the Southern aristocracy and Southern honor.</p>
<p>This was true in WWII, when the West appeased Germany, and then later in the Cold War when the West appeased Stalin.</p>
<p>These are the types that think in certain ways. That having a gun means you&#8217;re inviting people to burglarize your home and attack you. It&#8217;s an instigation, it&#8217;s you causing the fight. It&#8217;s a provocation that leads to the fight. They think people don&#8217;t need guns. THey think people don&#8217;t need to learn how to swim. Because honestly they don&#8217;t want to think about scary stuff like getting shot or drowned. They don&#8217;t want to think about that stuff, and certainly not prepare against it.</p>
<p>So obviously, if they don&#8217;t prepare against it, what&#8217;s stopping the LEft from doing it?</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a fascinating set of posts.

I am with Ymarsakar on this.

As the historically disgusting saying goes, &quot;You Don&#039;t Have to be a Weatherman to Know which way the Wind Blows&quot;, and here we are in a gathering storm.

Those of us who talk of a civil war do not desire it, and it is an insult to so suggest. We see no other out, no alternative. J.J.&#039;s writing campaign is a waste of time, but maybe he has such time; my Rep. is working hard for us, and others in the Congress don&#039;t want to hear from me (I&#039;ve tried). Our Tea Party worked hard, very hard, but never drew any young people, without whom no movement can succeed. 

We do not have the luxury of time to deal with the Washington totalitarian encroachment peacefully and incrementally. We never, ever regain all the territory lost to the enemy in the political struggle started by the Progressives one hundred years ago. One hundred years!

Just watch: If GOP retakes the Senate, will Political Correctness disappear? Will Holder, Koskinen and the rest of the Uber Dems continue to prosper and spread poison, or not?

When the termites have so infested the structure that repair is impossible, there is only one thing left: Call in the bulldozer and the poison, and rebuild.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fascinating set of posts.</p>
<p>I am with Ymarsakar on this.</p>
<p>As the historically disgusting saying goes, &#8220;You Don&#8217;t Have to be a Weatherman to Know which way the Wind Blows&#8221;, and here we are in a gathering storm.</p>
<p>Those of us who talk of a civil war do not desire it, and it is an insult to so suggest. We see no other out, no alternative. J.J.&#8217;s writing campaign is a waste of time, but maybe he has such time; my Rep. is working hard for us, and others in the Congress don&#8217;t want to hear from me (I&#8217;ve tried). Our Tea Party worked hard, very hard, but never drew any young people, without whom no movement can succeed. </p>
<p>We do not have the luxury of time to deal with the Washington totalitarian encroachment peacefully and incrementally. We never, ever regain all the territory lost to the enemy in the political struggle started by the Progressives one hundred years ago. One hundred years!</p>
<p>Just watch: If GOP retakes the Senate, will Political Correctness disappear? Will Holder, Koskinen and the rest of the Uber Dems continue to prosper and spread poison, or not?</p>
<p>When the termites have so infested the structure that repair is impossible, there is only one thing left: Call in the bulldozer and the poison, and rebuild.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 15:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The men of the 18th century were of a far different breed, very well read of the classics, aware of the past and their role in evolving time and circumstance.  Humane and civilized.  Compare to today, consider the garbage in the WH, a degenerate media clamoring for more government,, the borders in shreds, the economy in the hands of civil servants and regulation, and worse, an educational system structured to turn out mass ignorance. Not much hope there.    We are left to find our own peace, and hard as it may be in the era of Obama, our own privacy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The men of the 18th century were of a far different breed, very well read of the classics, aware of the past and their role in evolving time and circumstance.  Humane and civilized.  Compare to today, consider the garbage in the WH, a degenerate media clamoring for more government,, the borders in shreds, the economy in the hands of civil servants and regulation, and worse, an educational system structured to turn out mass ignorance. Not much hope there.    We are left to find our own peace, and hard as it may be in the era of Obama, our own privacy.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Moser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 14:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Update on my earlier bureaucracy comment.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/is-administrative-law-unlawful-a-word-from-the-author.php]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on my earlier bureaucracy comment.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/is-administrative-law-unlawful-a-word-from-the-author.php" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/is-administrative-law-unlawful-a-word-from-the-author.php</a></p>
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