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		By: kaba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796633</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[OK....as I&#039;ve said before we&#039;ll just have to agree to disagree on this. Having Boehner and McConnell as the face of the GOP is a disaster in the making. Both are compromised by being too long in DC. Neither can make a coherent and articulate argument for conservative principles. Both are at least marginally in favor of immigration reform with amnesty that would guarantee a Dem majority for at least the next two decades. And both appear to me to be more dedicated to preserving their perks and privileges than in protecting the next generation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8230;.as I&#8217;ve said before we&#8217;ll just have to agree to disagree on this. Having Boehner and McConnell as the face of the GOP is a disaster in the making. Both are compromised by being too long in DC. Neither can make a coherent and articulate argument for conservative principles. Both are at least marginally in favor of immigration reform with amnesty that would guarantee a Dem majority for at least the next two decades. And both appear to me to be more dedicated to preserving their perks and privileges than in protecting the next generation.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796620</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kaba:

I think having the Democrats &quot;own the failure&quot; is a big, big mistake.  The reason is that what you or I see as failure will not be failure, it will be success.  They will put in place things that are death to the republic and will be impossible to reverse.  They must be stopped.

To me, it&#039;s as simple as that.  I don&#039;t think anyone should think they can play games with this, as you suggest.  I&#039;m sorry if that sounds harsh, but I&#039;m sick and tired of that argument, and I&#039;ve written about why before.  It is playing with fire, and we will probably all get burned.

I believe that conservatives who espouse that view will be paving the way for the triumph of the thing they most hate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaba:</p>
<p>I think having the Democrats &#8220;own the failure&#8221; is a big, big mistake.  The reason is that what you or I see as failure will not be failure, it will be success.  They will put in place things that are death to the republic and will be impossible to reverse.  They must be stopped.</p>
<p>To me, it&#8217;s as simple as that.  I don&#8217;t think anyone should think they can play games with this, as you suggest.  I&#8217;m sorry if that sounds harsh, but I&#8217;m sick and tired of that argument, and I&#8217;ve written about why before.  It is playing with fire, and we will probably all get burned.</p>
<p>I believe that conservatives who espouse that view will be paving the way for the triumph of the thing they most hate.</p>
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		By: kaba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796617</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very true neo. But it is also the activist that do the GOTV, distribute campaign literature, host campaign events, and do the door-to-door solicitation. No small factor in a close election. 

I&#039;m not convinced that the GOP controlling the House and Senate for the next two years is in their own interest. We both know that they will be blamed by this administration and the sycophant MSM for every failure in the next two years. We should also be convinced by now that Obama isn&#039;t inclined to  to be restrained by any of those old fashioned Constitutional restraints. And that makes H. Clinton more viable in &#039;16. 

Let the Dems wholly own this failure. I anticipate much of that to come.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very true neo. But it is also the activist that do the GOTV, distribute campaign literature, host campaign events, and do the door-to-door solicitation. No small factor in a close election. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that the GOP controlling the House and Senate for the next two years is in their own interest. We both know that they will be blamed by this administration and the sycophant MSM for every failure in the next two years. We should also be convinced by now that Obama isn&#8217;t inclined to  to be restrained by any of those old fashioned Constitutional restraints. And that makes H. Clinton more viable in &#8217;16. </p>
<p>Let the Dems wholly own this failure. I anticipate much of that to come.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796610</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kaba:

Activists are going to be most upset by this.  I&#039;m not at all sure the bulk of the rank-and-file care that much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaba:</p>
<p>Activists are going to be most upset by this.  I&#8217;m not at all sure the bulk of the rank-and-file care that much.</p>
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		By: kaba		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796606</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo,
 
I am just taking a guess based on my personal experience and contact with local activist. I live in the Florida Panhandle not all that far from the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I have been involved with local political committees for years. I can tell you the anger, bitterness, frustration, and sense of betrayal here is palpable. And that isn&#039;t based just on events in Mississippi but an ongoing sense that those basic values we believe in have been abandoned by the GOP.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,</p>
<p>I am just taking a guess based on my personal experience and contact with local activist. I live in the Florida Panhandle not all that far from the Mississippi Gulf Coast. I have been involved with local political committees for years. I can tell you the anger, bitterness, frustration, and sense of betrayal here is palpable. And that isn&#8217;t based just on events in Mississippi but an ongoing sense that those basic values we believe in have been abandoned by the GOP.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 17:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kaba:

No, we don&#039;t have a winner.  Did you actually read the article you linked?

It says that the PAC run by Barbour&#039;s nephew did pay Bickers&#039; group to make robocalls.  But everyone says these were not the offensive robocalls in question, which they deny having anything to do with or any knowledge of.

All robocalls are not &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt; robocalls, and we still have no idea who funded or made them.

I&#039;ll tell you something: I am very discouraged by the eagerness of conservatives to hop on the bandwagon of hating Cochran and Barbour for these calls and flyers.  I continue to think you are playing right into the hands of the left, a left that is chuckling at all of you.  

Believe me, Cochran and Barbour did enough to be angry at without attributing these particular things to them without knowledge of whether it&#039;s true or not.  Why not stick to what you actually know Cochran and Barbour did?  You can still be pissed at them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaba:</p>
<p>No, we don&#8217;t have a winner.  Did you actually read the article you linked?</p>
<p>It says that the PAC run by Barbour&#8217;s nephew did pay Bickers&#8217; group to make robocalls.  But everyone says these were not the offensive robocalls in question, which they deny having anything to do with or any knowledge of.</p>
<p>All robocalls are not <i>those</i> robocalls, and we still have no idea who funded or made them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you something: I am very discouraged by the eagerness of conservatives to hop on the bandwagon of hating Cochran and Barbour for these calls and flyers.  I continue to think you are playing right into the hands of the left, a left that is chuckling at all of you.  </p>
<p>Believe me, Cochran and Barbour did enough to be angry at without attributing these particular things to them without knowledge of whether it&#8217;s true or not.  Why not stick to what you actually know Cochran and Barbour did?  You can still be pissed at them.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/26/more-thoughts-on-mississippi-the-flyer-cochran-and-politics/#comment-796593</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 17:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[kaba:

On what do you base your assertion that Republicans will lose the senate seat?  Have you seen a poll?  I have no doubt Cochran will lose support from this.  But he had a strong lead before.

Also, McDaniel is mounting a challenge, and it might even end up being successful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaba:</p>
<p>On what do you base your assertion that Republicans will lose the senate seat?  Have you seen a poll?  I have no doubt Cochran will lose support from this.  But he had a strong lead before.</p>
<p>Also, McDaniel is mounting a challenge, and it might even end up being successful.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain:

Subotai Bahadur has no idea who funded or distributed the flyers and funded and made the robocalls.  As I&#039;ve pointed out several times, the Democrats had plenty of reason to do it all on their own.  What&#039;s more, a Democratic group &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/democratic-pro-cochran-group-admits-funding-racist-tea-party-flier-in-mississippi/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;has said&lt;/a&gt; they themselves did it. 

I don&#039;t like what Cochran did in the primary, and I prefer McDaniel as a candidate, but what Cochran did is allowed by the rules and he wanted to win.  But I&#039;d like people to stick to the facts.  I see the right falling for a technique the left is using to divide it even further than the right already is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain:</p>
<p>Subotai Bahadur has no idea who funded or distributed the flyers and funded and made the robocalls.  As I&#8217;ve pointed out several times, the Democrats had plenty of reason to do it all on their own.  What&#8217;s more, a Democratic group <a href="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/democratic-pro-cochran-group-admits-funding-racist-tea-party-flier-in-mississippi/" rel="nofollow">has said</a> they themselves did it. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like what Cochran did in the primary, and I prefer McDaniel as a candidate, but what Cochran did is allowed by the rules and he wanted to win.  But I&#8217;d like people to stick to the facts.  I see the right falling for a technique the left is using to divide it even further than the right already is.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sadly ironic but I think the GOP has probably lost the Senate seat from Mississippi and likely control of the Senate as well. My family is telling me that McConnell is in some trouble in KY. 

What complete stupidity. What utter arrogance. After 2010 they could have reached out to the Tea Party and conservatives. They could have appointed them to some significant positions in the Senate and House. They could have solicited their input on legislation. They could have defended them from the slanderous attacks from the left. But they listened to K Street rather than Main Street and have done just the opposite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly ironic but I think the GOP has probably lost the Senate seat from Mississippi and likely control of the Senate as well. My family is telling me that McConnell is in some trouble in KY. </p>
<p>What complete stupidity. What utter arrogance. After 2010 they could have reached out to the Tea Party and conservatives. They could have appointed them to some significant positions in the Senate and House. They could have solicited their input on legislation. They could have defended them from the slanderous attacks from the left. But they listened to K Street rather than Main Street and have done just the opposite.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 15:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Over at Richard Fernandez&#039;s blog &quot;The Belmont Club&quot; one of the most astute and knowledgeable commenters is &#039;Subotai Bahadur&#039;, he&#039;s a member of the Minn. Tea Party and here&#039;s his take on the issue;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;There were 3 candidates in the primary, and McDaniel beat Cochrane definitively, but was a fraction of a percent short of the 50%+1. So there was a run-off election Tuesday.

Keep in mind, that while Conservatives and the TEA Party are the voting base of the Republican party, the Institutional Republicans hate us and have vowed publicly and repeatedly to &quot;crush us&quot;.

In the runoff election, the Mississippi Republican Party and the National Republican Senate Campaign Committee funded and delivered both flyers mailed to registered Democrats and robocalls to registered Democrats criticizing McDaniel and the TEA Party as wanting to take the vote away from Blacks and of all TEA Party supporters of being racists who would oppose &quot;The Historic First Black President Obama&quot;. And asking Democrats to vote in the Republican runoff. There are some technicalities, like if the Democrat had voted in the Democrat primary, they could not vote in the Republican; but the tactic by the Republican party was to depend on Democrats to choose their candidate.

I have copies of the flyers, and a link to recordings of the robocalls.

35,000 registered Democrats came out and voted for Cochran in the Republican runoff. Cochran&#039;s margin of victory was 6400 votes. Republican voters in the Republican primary voted overwhelmingly for McDaniel.

The Republican Party, national and state, conspired with the Democrats to defeat not only the TEA Party but also the majority of Republican voters so that they could keep the graft going. And in the process publicly called the base of their own party racists. And they used the campaign contributions of that same party base to do it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

The graft to which Bahadur refers is as follows;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Thad Cochran is the incumbent Republican, who is old, senile [literally having to be led around and unable to speak coherently or debate], has been in Congress for approaching a half century. Has no achievements during that time except raiding the taxpayers of the rest of the country for pork for Mississippi, and a live in relationship with a female staff member almost a half century younger than him while his wife is in a nursing home. The only reason he is running is so he can resign after being inaugurated, and Mississippi governor Haley Barbour [Republican] can then appoint Barbour&#039;s nephew as Senator to fill his term without benefit of an election.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Clear confirmation of Hoffer&#039;s observation that,  “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at Richard Fernandez&#8217;s blog &#8220;The Belmont Club&#8221; one of the most astute and knowledgeable commenters is &#8216;Subotai Bahadur&#8217;, he&#8217;s a member of the Minn. Tea Party and here&#8217;s his take on the issue;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;There were 3 candidates in the primary, and McDaniel beat Cochrane definitively, but was a fraction of a percent short of the 50%+1. So there was a run-off election Tuesday.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, that while Conservatives and the TEA Party are the voting base of the Republican party, the Institutional Republicans hate us and have vowed publicly and repeatedly to &#8220;crush us&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the runoff election, the Mississippi Republican Party and the National Republican Senate Campaign Committee funded and delivered both flyers mailed to registered Democrats and robocalls to registered Democrats criticizing McDaniel and the TEA Party as wanting to take the vote away from Blacks and of all TEA Party supporters of being racists who would oppose &#8220;The Historic First Black President Obama&#8221;. And asking Democrats to vote in the Republican runoff. There are some technicalities, like if the Democrat had voted in the Democrat primary, they could not vote in the Republican; but the tactic by the Republican party was to depend on Democrats to choose their candidate.</p>
<p>I have copies of the flyers, and a link to recordings of the robocalls.</p>
<p>35,000 registered Democrats came out and voted for Cochran in the Republican runoff. Cochran&#8217;s margin of victory was 6400 votes. Republican voters in the Republican primary voted overwhelmingly for McDaniel.</p>
<p>The Republican Party, national and state, conspired with the Democrats to defeat not only the TEA Party but also the majority of Republican voters so that they could keep the graft going. And in the process publicly called the base of their own party racists. And they used the campaign contributions of that same party base to do it.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>The graft to which Bahadur refers is as follows;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>&#8220;Thad Cochran is the incumbent Republican, who is old, senile [literally having to be led around and unable to speak coherently or debate], has been in Congress for approaching a half century. Has no achievements during that time except raiding the taxpayers of the rest of the country for pork for Mississippi, and a live in relationship with a female staff member almost a half century younger than him while his wife is in a nursing home. The only reason he is running is so he can resign after being inaugurated, and Mississippi governor Haley Barbour [Republican] can then appoint Barbour&#8217;s nephew as Senator to fill his term without benefit of an election.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Clear confirmation of Hoffer&#8217;s observation that,  “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.”</p>
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