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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left has no heart. Islam has no heart.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left has no heart. Islam has no heart.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791257</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Allowing them to go unchecked not only gives them strength, it helps them to inspire others and feeds the perception of our being a weak horse, which only encourages them more. &quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

That&#039;s obviously true. It&#039;s also true that playing whack a mole feeds into the left&#039;s meme of American imperialism and the isolationist argument that acting as the world&#039;s policeman fuels opposition. Those are IMO highly flawed arguments but nonetheless effective with the LIV. And the beat goes on...

Cut off the heads of the hydra, it grows new heads. Cut out the heart and the heads die.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Allowing them to go unchecked not only gives them strength, it helps them to inspire others and feeds the perception of our being a weak horse, which only encourages them more. &#8220;</i> </p>
<p>That&#8217;s obviously true. It&#8217;s also true that playing whack a mole feeds into the left&#8217;s meme of American imperialism and the isolationist argument that acting as the world&#8217;s policeman fuels opposition. Those are IMO highly flawed arguments but nonetheless effective with the LIV. And the beat goes on&#8230;</p>
<p>Cut off the heads of the hydra, it grows new heads. Cut out the heart and the heads die.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain:

You have no quarrel with me on the subject of Iran.  They have long been a major major threat, and a threat to go nuclear.  But we seem impotent so far to stop them, especially the Obama administration. With ISIS it would be far easier to stop them (in the bud).

Just because it would be a game of whack a mole to do so doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t whack those moles anyway.  Allowing them to go unchecked not only gives them strength, it helps them to inspire others and feeds the perception of our being a weak horse, which only encourages them more.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain:</p>
<p>You have no quarrel with me on the subject of Iran.  They have long been a major major threat, and a threat to go nuclear.  But we seem impotent so far to stop them, especially the Obama administration. With ISIS it would be far easier to stop them (in the bud).</p>
<p>Just because it would be a game of whack a mole to do so doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t whack those moles anyway.  Allowing them to go unchecked not only gives them strength, it helps them to inspire others and feeds the perception of our being a weak horse, which only encourages them more.  </p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791239</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 01:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo @ 7:15,

Iran is on the cusp of becoming a two-fold threat; what they will do themselves once they have nuclear weapons capability and, the resultant regional consequence of that capability. Namely nuclear proliferation into unstable third world regimes and future Jihadist States. 

Iran will precipitate nuclear proliferation because it is the sole major Shia Muslim nation and the Sunni nations will react both to the potential threat and, to Iran&#039;s perceived upgrade in status (within the Muslim world) having acquired nukes in spite of all the great Satan could do... 

Widespread nuclear proliferation leads to jihadist terrorist groups like ISIS getting their hands on nukes. Speaking of ISIS, yes they can be &#039;nipped in the bud&#039; now but another group will arise in their place because there is NO &#039;radical&#039; Islam, there is only Islam. &lt;i&gt;&quot;There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”&lt;/i&gt; Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan , Turkey’s Prime Minister since 2003 commenting on the term “moderate Islam”  

As to &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; another terrorist group &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; arise should ISIS be nipped in the bud, I contend it is because Islamic terrorism is a reaction by Islam&#039;s Mullahs and Imams, to the mortal cultural threat to Islam that exposure to the modern world presents to Islam&#039;s 7th century ideology. 

If I&#039;m correct in that assessment, then no amount of nipping in the bud of terrorist groups will address the long term threat. 

We&#039;ve got the cart before the horse and because we are in willful denial we are fighting an ideological Medusa with one hand tied behind our back and no mirrored shield with which to see the Medusa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo @ 7:15,</p>
<p>Iran is on the cusp of becoming a two-fold threat; what they will do themselves once they have nuclear weapons capability and, the resultant regional consequence of that capability. Namely nuclear proliferation into unstable third world regimes and future Jihadist States. </p>
<p>Iran will precipitate nuclear proliferation because it is the sole major Shia Muslim nation and the Sunni nations will react both to the potential threat and, to Iran&#8217;s perceived upgrade in status (within the Muslim world) having acquired nukes in spite of all the great Satan could do&#8230; </p>
<p>Widespread nuclear proliferation leads to jihadist terrorist groups like ISIS getting their hands on nukes. Speaking of ISIS, yes they can be &#8216;nipped in the bud&#8217; now but another group will arise in their place because there is NO &#8216;radical&#8217; Islam, there is only Islam. <i>&#8220;There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”</i> Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan , Turkey’s Prime Minister since 2003 commenting on the term “moderate Islam”  </p>
<p>As to <i>why</i> another terrorist group <i>must</i> arise should ISIS be nipped in the bud, I contend it is because Islamic terrorism is a reaction by Islam&#8217;s Mullahs and Imams, to the mortal cultural threat to Islam that exposure to the modern world presents to Islam&#8217;s 7th century ideology. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m correct in that assessment, then no amount of nipping in the bud of terrorist groups will address the long term threat. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got the cart before the horse and because we are in willful denial we are fighting an ideological Medusa with one hand tied behind our back and no mirrored shield with which to see the Medusa.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791222</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Duckworth is a Democrat. I remember her story.

She was given a VA Illinois slot for her support of the Democrat party, using her war history as a template.

For people like her to now act like they are in sympathy with the defeat they helped cause, in return for some silver favors is a bit...

Like Eric Shinseki, they were pocketing lots of money and overseeing corruption for power, in return for supporting Hussein.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duckworth is a Democrat. I remember her story.</p>
<p>She was given a VA Illinois slot for her support of the Democrat party, using her war history as a template.</p>
<p>For people like her to now act like they are in sympathy with the defeat they helped cause, in return for some silver favors is a bit&#8230;</p>
<p>Like Eric Shinseki, they were pocketing lots of money and overseeing corruption for power, in return for supporting Hussein.</p>
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		By: Orson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s put this straight. Our Nero fiddles while Iraq burns. Where&#039;s the Praetorian guard to eliminate our Nero?

Obama&#039;s always wanted a Banana Republic. We &quot;voted&quot; for it! I think a military coup is what we now deserve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s put this straight. Our Nero fiddles while Iraq burns. Where&#8217;s the Praetorian guard to eliminate our Nero?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s always wanted a Banana Republic. We &#8220;voted&#8221; for it! I think a military coup is what we now deserve.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791201</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;By the way, we had him in prison in Iraq for four years, and released him in 2009.&lt;/b&gt;

Khomeini of Iran, was also captured by the Shah of Iran, and then released to show &quot;good intentions&quot; to the Leftist cannonfodder in Iran crying for liberty.

The world has a severe lack of WILL, when it comes to much of anything. And a weak enemy can accomplish miracles merely by having that Will, for where there is a Will, there is a Way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>By the way, we had him in prison in Iraq for four years, and released him in 2009.</b></p>
<p>Khomeini of Iran, was also captured by the Shah of Iran, and then released to show &#8220;good intentions&#8221; to the Leftist cannonfodder in Iran crying for liberty.</p>
<p>The world has a severe lack of WILL, when it comes to much of anything. And a weak enemy can accomplish miracles merely by having that Will, for where there is a Will, there is a Way.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/13/iraq-war-veterans-watch-the-news-in-anguish/#comment-791199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Justice is something that issues from a free person&#039;s sword arm. Laws and authorities, have little to nothing to do with pure justice. Righteousness and the proper conduct of peons and serfs, yes, but not justice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justice is something that issues from a free person&#8217;s sword arm. Laws and authorities, have little to nothing to do with pure justice. Righteousness and the proper conduct of peons and serfs, yes, but not justice.</p>
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		By: J.J.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Iran is a two pronged threat. First, they fund and abet terrorism. Second, they pose a threat to Israel in particular, but also to other ME countries. That said, they are easier to cope with than the non-sovereign actors like al Qaeda. I liken it to the difference between a bear and fire ants. The bear (Iran) is a threat and when it comes time to take it on, you know how you&#039;re going to do it. You&#039;ve got the  gear to take it down and it will be over relatively quickly. (Assuming you plan to fight to win unconditionally.) 

The non-state a terrorists are like fire ants. They keep stinging you and are a nuisance. You can kill them individually but it takes a lot of your time and doesn&#039;t do much good. You track down some of their nests and try to  eradicate them, but if you aren&#039;t serious and  do the job right, they stay alive and keep moving around. Then  one day you step on a really big nest that you hadn&#039;t seen growing. And they kill you.  

It may be a clumsy analogy, but I think it makes the point between the threat of non-state terrorism versus Iran. Both are threats, but in different ways. And both are dealt with in different ways.

I am know what a lot of Iraq vets are feeling. It&#039;s a crap sandwich. It will drag you down. The anger that I&#039;m feeling toward Obama and the dems is nothing compared to what they are feeling. It&#039;s.Just.Not.Right!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran is a two pronged threat. First, they fund and abet terrorism. Second, they pose a threat to Israel in particular, but also to other ME countries. That said, they are easier to cope with than the non-sovereign actors like al Qaeda. I liken it to the difference between a bear and fire ants. The bear (Iran) is a threat and when it comes time to take it on, you know how you&#8217;re going to do it. You&#8217;ve got the  gear to take it down and it will be over relatively quickly. (Assuming you plan to fight to win unconditionally.) </p>
<p>The non-state a terrorists are like fire ants. They keep stinging you and are a nuisance. You can kill them individually but it takes a lot of your time and doesn&#8217;t do much good. You track down some of their nests and try to  eradicate them, but if you aren&#8217;t serious and  do the job right, they stay alive and keep moving around. Then  one day you step on a really big nest that you hadn&#8217;t seen growing. And they kill you.  </p>
<p>It may be a clumsy analogy, but I think it makes the point between the threat of non-state terrorism versus Iran. Both are threats, but in different ways. And both are dealt with in different ways.</p>
<p>I am know what a lot of Iraq vets are feeling. It&#8217;s a crap sandwich. It will drag you down. The anger that I&#8217;m feeling toward Obama and the dems is nothing compared to what they are feeling. It&#8217;s.Just.Not.Right!</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 23:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain:

Speaking of ISIS and threats, &lt;a href=&quot;http://weaselzippers.us/189712-isis-leader-to-u-s-soon-we-will-be-in-direct-confrontation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here it is&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), issued a rare audio message back on January 21 in which he flatly stated his group’s intention to march on Baghdad and move into “direct confrontation” with the United States.

“Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” Baghdadi said. “So watch, for we are with you, watching.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By the way, we had him in prison in Iraq for four years, and released him in 2009.

And we didn&#039;t even get a Bergdahl in return.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey Britain:</p>
<p>Speaking of ISIS and threats, <a href="http://weaselzippers.us/189712-isis-leader-to-u-s-soon-we-will-be-in-direct-confrontation/" rel="nofollow">here it is</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), issued a rare audio message back on January 21 in which he flatly stated his group’s intention to march on Baghdad and move into “direct confrontation” with the United States.</p>
<p>“Our last message is to the Americans. Soon we will be in direct confrontation, and the sons of Islam have prepared for such a day,” Baghdadi said. “So watch, for we are with you, watching.”</p></blockquote>
<p>By the way, we had him in prison in Iraq for four years, and released him in 2009.</p>
<p>And we didn&#8217;t even get a Bergdahl in return.</p>
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