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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[if you do a search on EACH of the things that are largest and most influential, you will find a gaggle of women behind it, and another gaggle being quiet. 

if your expecting some white men to go with arms and stuff into black neighborhoods and fix em, your crazy - what woudl the left do? 

if you expecting your men to have policed women to not do this, your double crazy, as it was this idea that empowered them in the first place, created chauvanist pigs, and basically made them persona non grata pretty much everywhere. 

the ONLY people that could do anything about it and stop it were women. either the ones doing it would stop, or the ones watching would stop them. either way, they are the only ones society will permit to have a voice, take action, and so on. 

i mean really... 

&lt;b&gt;To Learn Who Rules Over You, Notice Who You Cannot Criticize&lt;/b&gt;

Heck, women argue both sides telling their side AND what men think too!
Just go read the stuff... 

Who screwed up the schools and removed men, and drugged the boy kids? 

where are the male teachers? not their because we believe they do to children what the women teachers been doing a heck of a lot of!!!! (and they do it cause some idiot told them thats what men do, and to be like men, they rape boy kids)

then you have the teachers blog where they discovered them trading notes as to how to hurt the boys and cripple them so grrrrlllllssss win... 
 
why dont you go spend a month over at pand a gon and let us know what you think..  

who changed the work force? (the lie as to what women earn, and now, they are pushing income equality - ie. communist salary settings... how many small businesses had to close cause they cant afford 3 out of 5 employees home with pay on maternity leave they took the job to get and was illegal to ask to prevent )

who changed medicine? (billions on breast cancer, a few million on prostate cancer and the constant lie that more is spent on men)

who changed the schools? (men said, drug my son but promote my daughter. cheerleading is not a sport, for if it was, title ix could not crush mens sports)

who changed the family? (yes. men kicked themselves out and said, take what i own, hurt the kids, demonize me even if i pay up in spades...)

who changed holidays? (no men, no family, no traditions, no holidays)

who even changed bathroom design, naming objects, names of titles, added ms to the language, and a huge list of stuff... 

EVERY one of that and more are feminist initiatives... 

oh... us men? we are not allowed to have an all male organization like  women can have all women organizations.. 
 
heck, we cant even walk in the park in ny... 
when men complained they expanded the law to childless people

you think the men came up with that one? 

you better do a whole lot of research as us guys havent been able to be guys since about 1970... 

now were spornosexual or something.. 

problems fixing itself.. 

More young women choosing dogs over motherhood
http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/more-young-women-choosing-dogs-over-motherhood/

and population collapse articles.. 

and who were the ones who would have sex if the guys were socialist, but not if they were conservative as a way to convert men? 

you gots a heck of a lot to learn bev
i guess you believe them when they say they are helpless
 but heck, i cant even say manhole cover any more]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you do a search on EACH of the things that are largest and most influential, you will find a gaggle of women behind it, and another gaggle being quiet. </p>
<p>if your expecting some white men to go with arms and stuff into black neighborhoods and fix em, your crazy &#8211; what woudl the left do? </p>
<p>if you expecting your men to have policed women to not do this, your double crazy, as it was this idea that empowered them in the first place, created chauvanist pigs, and basically made them persona non grata pretty much everywhere. </p>
<p>the ONLY people that could do anything about it and stop it were women. either the ones doing it would stop, or the ones watching would stop them. either way, they are the only ones society will permit to have a voice, take action, and so on. </p>
<p>i mean really&#8230; </p>
<p><b>To Learn Who Rules Over You, Notice Who You Cannot Criticize</b></p>
<p>Heck, women argue both sides telling their side AND what men think too!<br />
Just go read the stuff&#8230; </p>
<p>Who screwed up the schools and removed men, and drugged the boy kids? </p>
<p>where are the male teachers? not their because we believe they do to children what the women teachers been doing a heck of a lot of!!!! (and they do it cause some idiot told them thats what men do, and to be like men, they rape boy kids)</p>
<p>then you have the teachers blog where they discovered them trading notes as to how to hurt the boys and cripple them so grrrrlllllssss win&#8230; </p>
<p>why dont you go spend a month over at pand a gon and let us know what you think..  </p>
<p>who changed the work force? (the lie as to what women earn, and now, they are pushing income equality &#8211; ie. communist salary settings&#8230; how many small businesses had to close cause they cant afford 3 out of 5 employees home with pay on maternity leave they took the job to get and was illegal to ask to prevent )</p>
<p>who changed medicine? (billions on breast cancer, a few million on prostate cancer and the constant lie that more is spent on men)</p>
<p>who changed the schools? (men said, drug my son but promote my daughter. cheerleading is not a sport, for if it was, title ix could not crush mens sports)</p>
<p>who changed the family? (yes. men kicked themselves out and said, take what i own, hurt the kids, demonize me even if i pay up in spades&#8230;)</p>
<p>who changed holidays? (no men, no family, no traditions, no holidays)</p>
<p>who even changed bathroom design, naming objects, names of titles, added ms to the language, and a huge list of stuff&#8230; </p>
<p>EVERY one of that and more are feminist initiatives&#8230; </p>
<p>oh&#8230; us men? we are not allowed to have an all male organization like  women can have all women organizations.. </p>
<p>heck, we cant even walk in the park in ny&#8230;<br />
when men complained they expanded the law to childless people</p>
<p>you think the men came up with that one? </p>
<p>you better do a whole lot of research as us guys havent been able to be guys since about 1970&#8230; </p>
<p>now were spornosexual or something.. </p>
<p>problems fixing itself.. </p>
<p>More young women choosing dogs over motherhood<br />
<a href="http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/more-young-women-choosing-dogs-over-motherhood/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://nypost.com/2014/04/10/more-young-women-choosing-dogs-over-motherhood/</a></p>
<p>and population collapse articles.. </p>
<p>and who were the ones who would have sex if the guys were socialist, but not if they were conservative as a way to convert men? </p>
<p>you gots a heck of a lot to learn bev<br />
i guess you believe them when they say they are helpless<br />
 but heck, i cant even say manhole cover any more</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eric...Good stuff!!

Obama is and has been an unprecedented catastrophe. Many of us believed he would be a human shipwreck for our country and others. That said, even we who knew where he came from and what he most likely planned sold the Infantile Majesty short on the magnitude of his carnage. And, there are more than 2 1/2 years remaining. A friend of SDS-Weathermen; a man who called the Liberation Marxist Rev.Jeremiah Wright his &quot;spiritual advisor&quot; for 2-decades; a worshiper at the altar of Saul Radical Alinsky; a hater-loather of American strength and liberty, etc, etc.

This 30+year neoconservative and traveler from the Dark Side has never feared for my country anywhere near where I do now. Never.

Jimmah Cawtah must be the happiest former title holder of the Worst President of the Last 100-Years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric&#8230;Good stuff!!</p>
<p>Obama is and has been an unprecedented catastrophe. Many of us believed he would be a human shipwreck for our country and others. That said, even we who knew where he came from and what he most likely planned sold the Infantile Majesty short on the magnitude of his carnage. And, there are more than 2 1/2 years remaining. A friend of SDS-Weathermen; a man who called the Liberation Marxist Rev.Jeremiah Wright his &#8220;spiritual advisor&#8221; for 2-decades; a worshiper at the altar of Saul Radical Alinsky; a hater-loather of American strength and liberty, etc, etc.</p>
<p>This 30+year neoconservative and traveler from the Dark Side has never feared for my country anywhere near where I do now. Never.</p>
<p>Jimmah Cawtah must be the happiest former title holder of the Worst President of the Last 100-Years.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artful, I can’t resist saying, Samson let Delilah cut his hair. So, it takes two to tango, and it’s not All our fault.

true.. 

but god did warn man not to trust women...

no?

(tongue in cheek)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artful, I can’t resist saying, Samson let Delilah cut his hair. So, it takes two to tango, and it’s not All our fault.</p>
<p>true.. </p>
<p>but god did warn man not to trust women&#8230;</p>
<p>no?</p>
<p>(tongue in cheek)</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: &quot;Obama was warned months ago.&quot;

Fallujah fell in January. One would think that event passed the bar to qualify for a warning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: &#8220;Obama was warned months ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fallujah fell in January. One would think that event passed the bar to qualify for a warning.</p>
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		By: RickZ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 17:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Don Carlos said,

you make a mistake by blaming the UN.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sorry, but 1990-91 was a UN operation, just like Korea (another no win), so they do get the blame.  While &quot;the USA had the bullets and the guns,&quot; we did properly use them and kicked Saddam&#039;s ass.  Again, the UN called a halt to military operations.  Now whether G.H.W. Bush should have defied the UN is another argument; he didn&#039;t, though, like I said acceding to the UN&#039;s authority in that war.  Personally, I think he should have told the UN to pound sand and march right into Baghdad and taken out Saddam as the way was wide open, but that scenario would have led to a whole host of different problems than the one with which we did end up.  Who knows whether those problems would have been good or bad?  Remember, getting Saddam wasn&#039;t the mandate for the 1991 war:  Getting Saddam out of Kuwait was.  Bush should never have agreed to the UN&#039;s entire premise for the war, but he did, being the internationalist that he is.  The UN is like our Democrats:  They just hate decisively winning wars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Don Carlos said,</p>
<p>you make a mistake by blaming the UN.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, but 1990-91 was a UN operation, just like Korea (another no win), so they do get the blame.  While &#8220;the USA had the bullets and the guns,&#8221; we did properly use them and kicked Saddam&#8217;s ass.  Again, the UN called a halt to military operations.  Now whether G.H.W. Bush should have defied the UN is another argument; he didn&#8217;t, though, like I said acceding to the UN&#8217;s authority in that war.  Personally, I think he should have told the UN to pound sand and march right into Baghdad and taken out Saddam as the way was wide open, but that scenario would have led to a whole host of different problems than the one with which we did end up.  Who knows whether those problems would have been good or bad?  Remember, getting Saddam wasn&#8217;t the mandate for the 1991 war:  Getting Saddam out of Kuwait was.  Bush should never have agreed to the UN&#8217;s entire premise for the war, but he did, being the internationalist that he is.  The UN is like our Democrats:  They just hate decisively winning wars.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[mousebert:

I think they&#039;re under the bus.

Perhaps they didn&#039;t foresee every detail, but from all reports I&#039;ve read, Obama was warned months ago.  And Maliki also warned him months ago, and asked for drone help to get the ISIS guys in their staging areas.  That&#039;s what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq-asked-us-for-airstrikes-on-militants-officials-say.html?_r=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; was all about.  Obama didn&#039;t do it, and that&#039;s not because he didn&#039;t know about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mousebert:</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;re under the bus.</p>
<p>Perhaps they didn&#8217;t foresee every detail, but from all reports I&#8217;ve read, Obama was warned months ago.  And Maliki also warned him months ago, and asked for drone help to get the ISIS guys in their staging areas.  That&#8217;s what <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/iraq-asked-us-for-airstrikes-on-militants-officials-say.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">this article</a> was all about.  Obama didn&#8217;t do it, and that&#8217;s not because he didn&#8217;t know about it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did the intelligence agencies really miss the threat, or are they being thrown under the bus to cover the POTUS ass?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the intelligence agencies really miss the threat, or are they being thrown under the bus to cover the POTUS ass?</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 16:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RickZ: you make a mistake by blaming the UN. The USA had the bullets and the guns and chose not to properly use them. Wars are not fought in courtrooms by lawyers fussing about UN&#039;s or other&#039;s rules. Wars are properly fought by warriors.

My solution in 1991 was to let Iraq divide into (oil-less) Sunni, oily Kurd and Shia. That will still happen despite our fumbled intervention and craven desertion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RickZ: you make a mistake by blaming the UN. The USA had the bullets and the guns and chose not to properly use them. Wars are not fought in courtrooms by lawyers fussing about UN&#8217;s or other&#8217;s rules. Wars are properly fought by warriors.</p>
<p>My solution in 1991 was to let Iraq divide into (oil-less) Sunni, oily Kurd and Shia. That will still happen despite our fumbled intervention and craven desertion.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2014 15:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Eric Says:

Nation-building Iraq was viable. Would Iraq ever look like the platonic ideal of the US? Probably not. Did we need Iraq to look like that in order for us to achieve our long-term strategic objective? No. Japan and Korea don’t look like the US either. Their democracies are funny looking, but it works for them, and more relevantly, they’re compatible with us. That’s all we needed to achieve in Iraq. A compatible state with us that works for them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To nation-build, you first have to nation-destroy.  Just look at what we did to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan before we created governments that are &quot;compatible with us.&quot;  We kicked the shit out of those places, destroying from on high everything we could that helped the war effort, including people.  We had no such policy in Iraq.  In fact, we allowed shari&#039;a to be enshrined in the new Iraqi Constitution.  That&#039;s quite a departure from destroying Nazism and hanging those leaders who held to its beliefs and making the Emperor Hirohito no longer a god.  We altered the German and Japanese societies -- for the better.  We did no societal alterations in Iraq.

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&lt;blockquote&gt;J.J. Says: 

We had Saddam on the ropes in 1991 and showed mercy. What a mistake!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately, Gulf War I was under UN auspices.  After the massacre on &#039;The Road of Death&#039;, it was the UN which called a halt to military operations, leading to the no-fly zones in the north and the south, violations of which led to Gulf War II.  Then President Bush acceded to UN authority and had our troops stop in place.  The UN is directly responsible for what has transpired in Iraq since 1991, including propping up Saddam post 1991 with the Oil-For-Food corruption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Eric Says:</p>
<p>Nation-building Iraq was viable. Would Iraq ever look like the platonic ideal of the US? Probably not. Did we need Iraq to look like that in order for us to achieve our long-term strategic objective? No. Japan and Korea don’t look like the US either. Their democracies are funny looking, but it works for them, and more relevantly, they’re compatible with us. That’s all we needed to achieve in Iraq. A compatible state with us that works for them.</p></blockquote>
<p>To nation-build, you first have to nation-destroy.  Just look at what we did to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan before we created governments that are &#8220;compatible with us.&#8221;  We kicked the shit out of those places, destroying from on high everything we could that helped the war effort, including people.  We had no such policy in Iraq.  In fact, we allowed shari&#8217;a to be enshrined in the new Iraqi Constitution.  That&#8217;s quite a departure from destroying Nazism and hanging those leaders who held to its beliefs and making the Emperor Hirohito no longer a god.  We altered the German and Japanese societies &#8212; for the better.  We did no societal alterations in Iraq.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p>J.J. Says: </p>
<p>We had Saddam on the ropes in 1991 and showed mercy. What a mistake!</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, Gulf War I was under UN auspices.  After the massacre on &#8216;The Road of Death&#8217;, it was the UN which called a halt to military operations, leading to the no-fly zones in the north and the south, violations of which led to Gulf War II.  Then President Bush acceded to UN authority and had our troops stop in place.  The UN is directly responsible for what has transpired in Iraq since 1991, including propping up Saddam post 1991 with the Oil-For-Food corruption.</p>
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