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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/10/the-fall-of-iraq-those-helicopters-left-the-roof-a-long-time-ago/#comment-790467</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You haven&#039;t learned the technique of capitalizing English sentences yet, Art, but you have read a lot of capitalized English sentences in your life time.

What gives you the authority to tell us what nature we have or don&#039;t have?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You haven&#8217;t learned the technique of capitalizing English sentences yet, Art, but you have read a lot of capitalized English sentences in your life time.</p>
<p>What gives you the authority to tell us what nature we have or don&#8217;t have?</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;NEO&lt;/b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Leftism appeals to certain things in human nature, and leftsits also use techniques that appeal to certain powerful aspects of human nature.&lt;/i&gt;


while at the same time denying that you HAVE a nature, and so, you would never seek to learn the techniques and things that they are using on you... 

ie. i must not have a nature, so they have nothing to exploit, and so there is nothing to block or stop]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>NEO</b><i>Leftism appeals to certain things in human nature, and leftsits also use techniques that appeal to certain powerful aspects of human nature.</i></p>
<p>while at the same time denying that you HAVE a nature, and so, you would never seek to learn the techniques and things that they are using on you&#8230; </p>
<p>ie. i must not have a nature, so they have nothing to exploit, and so there is nothing to block or stop</p>
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		By: patrick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think he is necessarily Muslim but I think he sympathizes with them over other religions- witness the Cairo speech and his lack of attention to Christians by Muslims persecuted in the Middle East and Africa. Part of that is his identification with his deadbeat father, and part of it is the Western guilt and idealization of &quot;Third World&quot; cultures that characterizes so much left-wing thinking.

Speaking of which, someone needs to put on blast what is happening to the Christians of Mosul and Nineveh Plain. Some of the oldest Christian communities, churches, and monasteries are in the hands of madmen who literally crucify Christians, and Western Christians are mostly silent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think he is necessarily Muslim but I think he sympathizes with them over other religions- witness the Cairo speech and his lack of attention to Christians by Muslims persecuted in the Middle East and Africa. Part of that is his identification with his deadbeat father, and part of it is the Western guilt and idealization of &#8220;Third World&#8221; cultures that characterizes so much left-wing thinking.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, someone needs to put on blast what is happening to the Christians of Mosul and Nineveh Plain. Some of the oldest Christian communities, churches, and monasteries are in the hands of madmen who literally crucify Christians, and Western Christians are mostly silent.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/10/the-fall-of-iraq-those-helicopters-left-the-roof-a-long-time-ago/#comment-790027</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ymarsakar: &quot;A lot of &lt;b&gt;external&lt;/b&gt; enemies like dividing up a nation, the same was true for British support for the Confeds.&quot;

Internal enemies, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ymarsakar: &#8220;A lot of <b>external</b> enemies like dividing up a nation, the same was true for British support for the Confeds.&#8221;</p>
<p>Internal enemies, too.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo-neocon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Beverly:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Those Obama quotes are bogus&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-dreams-of-my-father/" rel="nofollow">Those Obama quotes are bogus</a>.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/10/the-fall-of-iraq-those-helicopters-left-the-roof-a-long-time-ago/#comment-789942</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I target an enemy&#039;s will to fight, as per Sun Tzu&#039;s guidelines. Once an enemy&#039;s belief in their cause or their authority is destroyed, you can make them believe what you want them to believe.

But first, the Left must be destroyed, by any available method. Then people will come to see the truth, freed of the Veil of Illusion.

Attempting to &quot;convince&quot; people before the war is over, that their side is wrong, is trying to change the world. And unless you have supreme social pressure, military or economic levers, or slave master powers, people won&#039;t be so easy to change externally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I target an enemy&#8217;s will to fight, as per Sun Tzu&#8217;s guidelines. Once an enemy&#8217;s belief in their cause or their authority is destroyed, you can make them believe what you want them to believe.</p>
<p>But first, the Left must be destroyed, by any available method. Then people will come to see the truth, freed of the Veil of Illusion.</p>
<p>Attempting to &#8220;convince&#8221; people before the war is over, that their side is wrong, is trying to change the world. And unless you have supreme social pressure, military or economic levers, or slave master powers, people won&#8217;t be so easy to change externally.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/06/10/the-fall-of-iraq-those-helicopters-left-the-roof-a-long-time-ago/#comment-789915</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Supporting or not an American war is an individual&#039;s conscience and decision. But obeying the Left&#039;s propaganda and helping them destroy the nation, that is where the line of treason is drawn. The hypocrisy that they use as a shield to justify their crimes against humanity, doesn&#039;t smell much better. They think they are the humanitarian, freedom loving, freedom fighter supporting crowd, as they toast the Fall of Saigon and talk about Afghanistan being the &quot;good war&quot; while doing everything they can to kill and cripple US forces in Iraq, which were needed for Afghanistan too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supporting or not an American war is an individual&#8217;s conscience and decision. But obeying the Left&#8217;s propaganda and helping them destroy the nation, that is where the line of treason is drawn. The hypocrisy that they use as a shield to justify their crimes against humanity, doesn&#8217;t smell much better. They think they are the humanitarian, freedom loving, freedom fighter supporting crowd, as they toast the Fall of Saigon and talk about Afghanistan being the &#8220;good war&#8221; while doing everything they can to kill and cripple US forces in Iraq, which were needed for Afghanistan too.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember the helicopters... I was a kid, but I remember them. And growing up post-Vietnam, I was fed the b******t that what happened was inevitable, that the South was going to lose no matter what, that Tet Offensive was a US/SVN defeat, that the people of Vietnam WANTED a North victory, etc., etc., etc., It was when I was really an adult, post-college, that I learned that it was all lies. (Though the number of Vietnamese who risked their lives to escape via boat should&#039;ve clued me in a lot sooner.)

And since going into Afghanistan and into Iraq, I have figured that the Left was going to do everything within their power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And lo! My guess is it will take just about as long is it did Vietnam (from the Tet Offensive in 1968 to the union of the South and North in 1976--eight years.) So by the end of Obama&#039;s second term, expect total loss in Afghanistan and Iraq.

It is beyond my comprehension how people can have so little compassion for others. Because this overwhelming need/desire for the left to see America lose is at the cost of the lives of others. No one else matters to them--only the party line...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the helicopters&#8230; I was a kid, but I remember them. And growing up post-Vietnam, I was fed the b******t that what happened was inevitable, that the South was going to lose no matter what, that Tet Offensive was a US/SVN defeat, that the people of Vietnam WANTED a North victory, etc., etc., etc., It was when I was really an adult, post-college, that I learned that it was all lies. (Though the number of Vietnamese who risked their lives to escape via boat should&#8217;ve clued me in a lot sooner.)</p>
<p>And since going into Afghanistan and into Iraq, I have figured that the Left was going to do everything within their power to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And lo! My guess is it will take just about as long is it did Vietnam (from the Tet Offensive in 1968 to the union of the South and North in 1976&#8211;eight years.) So by the end of Obama&#8217;s second term, expect total loss in Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
<p>It is beyond my comprehension how people can have so little compassion for others. Because this overwhelming need/desire for the left to see America lose is at the cost of the lives of others. No one else matters to them&#8211;only the party line&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of external enemies like dividing up a nation, the same was true for British support for the Confeds.

You trade some temporary friction now, for eternal enmity later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of external enemies like dividing up a nation, the same was true for British support for the Confeds.</p>
<p>You trade some temporary friction now, for eternal enmity later.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;A lot of people from the Left and Right loudly proclaim the Iraq mission to be illegal, unjustified, and dishonorable — from foolish to downright fraudulent.&lt;/b&gt;

Treason is the more appropriate label for such, and in time they will be forced to make a decision one way or another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>A lot of people from the Left and Right loudly proclaim the Iraq mission to be illegal, unjustified, and dishonorable — from foolish to downright fraudulent.</b></p>
<p>Treason is the more appropriate label for such, and in time they will be forced to make a decision one way or another.</p>
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