Comments on: The rogue Obama

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Mon, 09 Jun 2014 04:26:37 +0000

When American citizens traded their soul and their free will in return for welfare and a government authority to tell them what to do, they permanently lost things like imagination: thinking too.

By: betsybounds

betsybounds — Mon, 09 Jun 2014 01:09:13 +0000

I should not have qualified my “failure of imagination” comment to the right. I think it actually applies to most of the country. Few people seem able to understand, or even contemplate, the possibilities and probabilities in what is going on.

Never THINK it can’t happen here.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:42:25 +0000

Republicans are run by old guards like Krauthammer. Two guesses how well that is going.

By: Eric

Eric — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:32:41 +0000

betsybouds: “I think the more basic culprit is a massive failure of imagination.”

What strikes me is the variety of views on the Right that practically promote limiting social political action or even inaction by people of the Right. Being an activist trying to generate a social movement from the Right is like pulling teeth.

By: Ymarsakar

Ymarsakar — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 17:59:42 +0000

I wasn’t talking about a change story. I’m talking about people waking up and seeing the Leftist alliance for what it is.

“Conservative” isn’t your get out of jail free card there.

By: betsybouds

betsybouds — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 17:47:51 +0000

Good points, Eric. They are the kinds of points–as are so many here, and in some other places–that will only be tested by time. Which, may I say, is moving pretty fast these days. Heh.

I do find myself a bit amazed by the ease with which so many people say that what we need to do now is kick the bahstuds out in the Novembers of 2014 and 2016. Many also seem to think even ordinary conservative citizens are just poorly educated and stupid. Many are arguably poorly educated, but I don’t think they’re stupid. I think the more basic culprit is a massive failure of imagination.

By: Eric

Eric — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 17:38:59 +0000

betsybouds,

Indeed. Destruction is a prerequisite stage for creation.

Where I think comments for posts like this one go off track is the narrow focus on Obama as the heart and fount, as though the Left’s agenda depends on Obama holding onto the White House. Obama isn’t the origin. He’s merely an avatar and agent of the Left’s full-spectrum activist social movement playing his assigned role just as a professor or journalist plays his or hers.

Obama is fungible. He played his role for the team. He’ll move on, perhaps to play another role for the team, and be rewarded.

Enough real structural changes have been engineered during Obama’s tenure that the foreseeable course is in place even should the GOP sweep the next cycle of elections. While the Dems of course prefer to win any and all elections, the Left holds enough of the social nodes outside of elected office, including agencies and judiciary in government, to contain any regression due to temporary displacement from elected office.

To a large degree, elected office is a dependent variable that can be harnessed through control of the other social nodes.

That’s why I advocate for a Right activist social movement. The Right needs to compete on the full spectrum of social nodes, not just elected office.

By: betsybouds

betsybouds — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:53:58 +0000

I will add that I think he almost certainly will deign his system to have worked if what he walks away from is a condition of, and a system in, total chaos.

By: betsybouds

betsybouds — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:50:33 +0000

Matt_SE: Whether or not a system works depends on what the people who initiate it want it to do. I myself think Obama’s definition of the upshot of his efforts is this country’s destruction: He is an unaligned destroyer. Some people think he is a dedicated Leftist; others think he is a fully persuaded Muslim. I think he recognizes that the Left and Islam are allies of convenience against free people, and he uses them as such–now supporting one, now the other. He himself may be a Muslim, but that is irrelevant to his goal–which is destruction of the United States of America as a Constitutional Republic. When he accomplishes that, his program will have worked, his self-designed, and undertaken, task will have been completed. And he himself will walk away and leave the Left and Islam to fight over the wreckage. Try this simple test: If that were what he wanted, what would he be doing differently?

Ymarsakar: I do not know whether this clown will be the last President of the United States or not. In any event, his being so (or not) is independent of his leaving office at the end of his second term.

And yes, Eric, the Left’s staying power is based on far more than their policy agenda; so is Islam’s. None of these wizards is going to forego using force to retain control.

By: Eric

Eric — Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:26:38 +0000

Matt_SE,

What I believe Ymarsakar is getting at is the Left’s staying power is based on more than their policy agenda.