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		By: jesseqkpko48blog.pointblog.net		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do squats A great squat should feel like it&#039;s working the complete lower half 
of your body, in addition to stretching the core muscle tissues around your again and abdomen. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do squats A great squat should feel like it&#8217;s working the complete lower half<br />
of your body, in addition to stretching the core muscle tissues around your again and abdomen.<br />
Listed here are some workouts to try, so as of intensity:</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/05/23/stroll-down-memory-lane-with-intellectuals-obama-and-obamacare/#comment-783219</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2014 13:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is so. Which is why I wrote on my blog that the Leftist alliance&#039;s war on humanity just took a new set of sacrifices in California, since the murdering agent was heavily influenced by Californian and Hollywood culture and philosophy (of death).

The Left wars against women, blacks, dogs (PETA executions), and so on and so forth. Might as well include it in the uber umbrella of humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is so. Which is why I wrote on my blog that the Leftist alliance&#8217;s war on humanity just took a new set of sacrifices in California, since the murdering agent was heavily influenced by Californian and Hollywood culture and philosophy (of death).</p>
<p>The Left wars against women, blacks, dogs (PETA executions), and so on and so forth. Might as well include it in the uber umbrella of humanity.</p>
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		By: Minta Marie Morze		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minta Marie Morze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2014 18:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree. That&#039;s why I said &quot;deliberately&quot;. The Long March. The Fabian Society. The Frankfurt School. All of Artful&#039;s lists. And so many others.

In books, papers, manifestos, speeches, films, the media, songs, poetry, displays, art, methodology, atrocities, subjugated peoples, desperate lives–they&#039;ve spelled it out, carried it out, and strategized for the the future.

They work to silence the Truth, demonize the Good, emotionalize Reason, limit Knowledge, and eliminate the Beautiful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. That&#8217;s why I said &#8220;deliberately&#8221;. The Long March. The Fabian Society. The Frankfurt School. All of Artful&#8217;s lists. And so many others.</p>
<p>In books, papers, manifestos, speeches, films, the media, songs, poetry, displays, art, methodology, atrocities, subjugated peoples, desperate lives–they&#8217;ve spelled it out, carried it out, and strategized for the the future.</p>
<p>They work to silence the Truth, demonize the Good, emotionalize Reason, limit Knowledge, and eliminate the Beautiful.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/05/23/stroll-down-memory-lane-with-intellectuals-obama-and-obamacare/#comment-782315</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 22:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;It’s heart-breaking.&lt;/b&gt;

Yes... but it is also intentional. They intend to destroy all competition, while raising their kids the right way. Check Chelsea&#039;s &quot;anger&quot;.

KM is correct as well. It was an intentional engineered collapse. The bridge just didn&#039;t suddenly collapse because somebody made a mistake or miscalculation on the math.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>It’s heart-breaking.</b></p>
<p>Yes&#8230; but it is also intentional. They intend to destroy all competition, while raising their kids the right way. Check Chelsea&#8217;s &#8220;anger&#8221;.</p>
<p>KM is correct as well. It was an intentional engineered collapse. The bridge just didn&#8217;t suddenly collapse because somebody made a mistake or miscalculation on the math.</p>
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		By: Ken Mitchell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Mitchell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 17:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To say that the leftists blew their chance is to assume that you know what they were trying to do.   I don&#039;t think Obama, Obamacare, and the Left in general have failed at all - in what they are actually TRYING to do, which is to destroy the United States.  They&#039;ve been QUITE successful at that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To say that the leftists blew their chance is to assume that you know what they were trying to do.   I don&#8217;t think Obama, Obamacare, and the Left in general have failed at all &#8211; in what they are actually TRYING to do, which is to destroy the United States.  They&#8217;ve been QUITE successful at that.</p>
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		By: Minta Marie Morze		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minta Marie Morze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 08:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, I just read through what I wrote, and I want to add something.

I know that  a lot of managers and other executives simply assume people are idiots, and treat them accordingly. That&#039;s always been true, hasn&#039;t it?

But I also know that people are capable of a hell of a lot more than self-proclaimed intellectuals and &quot;educators&quot; believe they are, and it is unspeakably rotten that so many minds are being deliberately prevented from realizing their potential. The Left leadership starves minds and hearts and spirits because they have contempt for what they consider the masses. There is no argument they can give that can stand against the FACT of what the Left has done, and has allowed to happen, to the people in the cities they control.

People in control on the Left, those in positions of power, would never, under any circumstances, allow their own children to be raised under the conditions they CREATE and CONTROL for the children of others in the cities they control.

How many children–of all races–will never know what they might have taken delight in, what they might have prized, what they might have been able to accomplish, if they had come into contact with, and been taught the abilities to appreciate, the best the human spirit has created over time?

If you can&#039;t read very well, how much of the world is beyond your reach?

It&#039;s heart-breaking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I just read through what I wrote, and I want to add something.</p>
<p>I know that  a lot of managers and other executives simply assume people are idiots, and treat them accordingly. That&#8217;s always been true, hasn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>But I also know that people are capable of a hell of a lot more than self-proclaimed intellectuals and &#8220;educators&#8221; believe they are, and it is unspeakably rotten that so many minds are being deliberately prevented from realizing their potential. The Left leadership starves minds and hearts and spirits because they have contempt for what they consider the masses. There is no argument they can give that can stand against the FACT of what the Left has done, and has allowed to happen, to the people in the cities they control.</p>
<p>People in control on the Left, those in positions of power, would never, under any circumstances, allow their own children to be raised under the conditions they CREATE and CONTROL for the children of others in the cities they control.</p>
<p>How many children–of all races–will never know what they might have taken delight in, what they might have prized, what they might have been able to accomplish, if they had come into contact with, and been taught the abilities to appreciate, the best the human spirit has created over time?</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t read very well, how much of the world is beyond your reach?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s heart-breaking.</p>
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		By: Minta Marie Morze		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/05/23/stroll-down-memory-lane-with-intellectuals-obama-and-obamacare/#comment-781982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minta Marie Morze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2014 06:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster–that discussion of Taylor, etc., was totally cool! 

And, yes, I deliberately substituted “non-genius” instead of “idiot” because I like people, and because the essence of Sir Francis Bacon’s belief seemed–to me–to be that the average person could, through a strong and wide-ranging education, become a fully capable participant in a meaningful life lived in an ever more complex world. 

Bacon thought of the future through the analogy of the new continents that were then being discovered and explored. The scientific method–used to study everything, even things like agriculture, cooking, and manufacturing–would question reality, and systematic and careful experimentation and study could produce the “maps” that would allow the average person to successfully navigate the new realm always coming into being with each new dawn. Everything that was complex could be codified, organized, systematized, broken down into instructions, and so forth. Always based on reality, always based on the constant feedback of results, of cause and effect, of understanding context and purpose–and the ongoing evaluation of well-educated minds carrying theory into practice, modifying their actions based on what actually happens.

Unfortunately, the postmodern curricula most frequently offered in K-12 and college deliberately steers the student away from contact with excellence, beauty, brilliance, truth, reality, the scientific method, the in-depth history of Western Civilization, and of America–as part of that tradition–and the great achievements of the finest minds of the past (from all cultures). The practical arts and craftsmanship, techne, praxis, have been largely abandoned. Instead, the student is dumbed-down, subjected to Leftist propaganda, made prisoner to the latest fads in subjects such as math, forced to read tendentious and ugly materials, and, in general, taught self-esteem rather than self-confidence, and emotional, knee-jerk ideological reactions rather than logic and fact-based reasoning.

This results in the formulaic “scripts” and tedious methods so often devised by those who rely on poorly-examined context and purpose, on the coerced demands of PC, and on toeing the Leftist line. They have become cargo cultists out of necessity–the great cartography of long-tested tradition is absent. More and more, people are lost. They keep huddled in small mental clearings, surrounded by paths they are not allowed to follow, and unable to step into what has become–for them–the wilderness of Terra Incognita.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster–that discussion of Taylor, etc., was totally cool! </p>
<p>And, yes, I deliberately substituted “non-genius” instead of “idiot” because I like people, and because the essence of Sir Francis Bacon’s belief seemed–to me–to be that the average person could, through a strong and wide-ranging education, become a fully capable participant in a meaningful life lived in an ever more complex world. </p>
<p>Bacon thought of the future through the analogy of the new continents that were then being discovered and explored. The scientific method–used to study everything, even things like agriculture, cooking, and manufacturing–would question reality, and systematic and careful experimentation and study could produce the “maps” that would allow the average person to successfully navigate the new realm always coming into being with each new dawn. Everything that was complex could be codified, organized, systematized, broken down into instructions, and so forth. Always based on reality, always based on the constant feedback of results, of cause and effect, of understanding context and purpose–and the ongoing evaluation of well-educated minds carrying theory into practice, modifying their actions based on what actually happens.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the postmodern curricula most frequently offered in K-12 and college deliberately steers the student away from contact with excellence, beauty, brilliance, truth, reality, the scientific method, the in-depth history of Western Civilization, and of America–as part of that tradition–and the great achievements of the finest minds of the past (from all cultures). The practical arts and craftsmanship, techne, praxis, have been largely abandoned. Instead, the student is dumbed-down, subjected to Leftist propaganda, made prisoner to the latest fads in subjects such as math, forced to read tendentious and ugly materials, and, in general, taught self-esteem rather than self-confidence, and emotional, knee-jerk ideological reactions rather than logic and fact-based reasoning.</p>
<p>This results in the formulaic “scripts” and tedious methods so often devised by those who rely on poorly-examined context and purpose, on the coerced demands of PC, and on toeing the Leftist line. They have become cargo cultists out of necessity–the great cartography of long-tested tradition is absent. More and more, people are lost. They keep huddled in small mental clearings, surrounded by paths they are not allowed to follow, and unable to step into what has become–for them–the wilderness of Terra Incognita.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 22:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Minta, Marie, thanks!  Re &quot;Systems often need be a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by non-genuises,&quot; I agree...there is a distinction, though, between assuming that the executors are non-geniuses and assuming that they are idiots.  The latter leads us to the management philosophy known as Taylorism...see my post Mindless Verbal Taylorism, which discussed the damage that this approach is doing in customer-service contexts.

http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/8034.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minta, Marie, thanks!  Re &#8220;Systems often need be a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by non-genuises,&#8221; I agree&#8230;there is a distinction, though, between assuming that the executors are non-geniuses and assuming that they are idiots.  The latter leads us to the management philosophy known as Taylorism&#8230;see my post Mindless Verbal Taylorism, which discussed the damage that this approach is doing in customer-service contexts.</p>
<p><a href="http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/8034.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/8034.html</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/05/23/stroll-down-memory-lane-with-intellectuals-obama-and-obamacare/#comment-781710</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reposted here and at the Caine review.

&lt;b&gt;What is remarkable about The Caine Mutiny is that this reconsideration of Queeg is effected with no cagey revealing of heretofore concealed information, merely by a suggestion that we look at the facts we know from a different perspective. Who has not experienced this? Our most urgent certainties can collapse at a friend’s unexpected comments.&lt;/b&gt;

All you have to do is to look at Queeg with hate in your heart and see him as an enemy or as a tool, and you will see several things.

Then reverse the pov and instead of hate, view him with love.

Without hate, it cannot be discerned. Without love, it cannot be seen.

WWII conscience + truth vs obeying authority can be seen in FDR vs  Admiral Kimmel.

http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/admiral-husband-kimmel-and-pearl-harbor/

Back in the day, true patriots existed in positions of power, even though we might not have liked their policies or judgments. The Leftist alliance took advantage of this love of America, to destroy America. They did not reciprocate love and forgiveness of mistakes, for the greater benefit of the nation, to anyone else after they were done. And so here we are now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reposted here and at the Caine review.</p>
<p><b>What is remarkable about The Caine Mutiny is that this reconsideration of Queeg is effected with no cagey revealing of heretofore concealed information, merely by a suggestion that we look at the facts we know from a different perspective. Who has not experienced this? Our most urgent certainties can collapse at a friend’s unexpected comments.</b></p>
<p>All you have to do is to look at Queeg with hate in your heart and see him as an enemy or as a tool, and you will see several things.</p>
<p>Then reverse the pov and instead of hate, view him with love.</p>
<p>Without hate, it cannot be discerned. Without love, it cannot be seen.</p>
<p>WWII conscience + truth vs obeying authority can be seen in FDR vs  Admiral Kimmel.</p>
<p><a href="http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/admiral-husband-kimmel-and-pearl-harbor/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://ymarsakar.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/admiral-husband-kimmel-and-pearl-harbor/</a></p>
<p>Back in the day, true patriots existed in positions of power, even though we might not have liked their policies or judgments. The Leftist alliance took advantage of this love of America, to destroy America. They did not reciprocate love and forgiveness of mistakes, for the greater benefit of the nation, to anyone else after they were done. And so here we are now.</p>
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		By: Minta Marie Morze		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minta Marie Morze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2014 18:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster, I also want to thank you for the link, the review, and inspiring the comments to the review! Fascinating!

You quoted Wouk&#039;s character saying: &#039;Keefer has a cynical attitude toward the Navy, which he refers to as “a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots,” . . . .&#039; 

This idea, put in a truer fashion as: Systems often need be a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by non-genuises. This is basically what Sir Francis Bacon said so long ago about the importance of method, of turning complexity into doable methodology that can be valuably pursued by those who need to accomplish something but who needn&#039;t do the deep thinking–this is one of the most important concepts in history. What&#039;s essential here is that the method needs to be based on reality, and needs to discourage dishonesty or corruption. (This last–based on REALITY with safeguards, etc., is where the Progressives fail, and fail disastrously.)

You also chose to quote a character saying (with my brackets: &quot;You’re not supposed to love [a group] necessarily, just give them a fair shake.&quot; 

If you make the substitution of &quot;a group&quot; here, as I did, the sentence is imperative to our time. Tolerance is not, not, not admiration or silence about opposing views, but rather ensuring that everyone is given a &quot;fair shake&quot;. The Progressive HATE this. For them, tolerance means open agreement and admiration and disagreement silenced, by force if need be.

The entire review is thought-proking and worth rereading, too!

waitforit and Steve, great links, too.

Neo, thanks for allowing links. They are always worth following.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster, I also want to thank you for the link, the review, and inspiring the comments to the review! Fascinating!</p>
<p>You quoted Wouk&#8217;s character saying: &#8216;Keefer has a cynical attitude toward the Navy, which he refers to as “a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots,” . . . .&#8217; </p>
<p>This idea, put in a truer fashion as: Systems often need be a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by non-genuises. This is basically what Sir Francis Bacon said so long ago about the importance of method, of turning complexity into doable methodology that can be valuably pursued by those who need to accomplish something but who needn&#8217;t do the deep thinking–this is one of the most important concepts in history. What&#8217;s essential here is that the method needs to be based on reality, and needs to discourage dishonesty or corruption. (This last–based on REALITY with safeguards, etc., is where the Progressives fail, and fail disastrously.)</p>
<p>You also chose to quote a character saying (with my brackets: &#8220;You’re not supposed to love [a group] necessarily, just give them a fair shake.&#8221; </p>
<p>If you make the substitution of &#8220;a group&#8221; here, as I did, the sentence is imperative to our time. Tolerance is not, not, not admiration or silence about opposing views, but rather ensuring that everyone is given a &#8220;fair shake&#8221;. The Progressive HATE this. For them, tolerance means open agreement and admiration and disagreement silenced, by force if need be.</p>
<p>The entire review is thought-proking and worth rereading, too!</p>
<p>waitforit and Steve, great links, too.</p>
<p>Neo, thanks for allowing links. They are always worth following.</p>
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