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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-760146</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My husband has a voice that simply does not carry. It&#039;s as if he&#039;s inside a thick glass globe - he can yell as loud as he&#039;s able, and his voice will die out within maybe fifty feet. My voice carries basically as far as I need it to, within human limits. I&#039;ve been a singer my whole life, which probably has something to do with it, but I know a lot of people who (a) agree that my husband&#039;s voice has an unusually short range, and (b) can project as far as I can with no professional training, so I think it&#039;s just something about the frequency or timbre of his voice. Maybe something like this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband has a voice that simply does not carry. It&#8217;s as if he&#8217;s inside a thick glass globe &#8211; he can yell as loud as he&#8217;s able, and his voice will die out within maybe fifty feet. My voice carries basically as far as I need it to, within human limits. I&#8217;ve been a singer my whole life, which probably has something to do with it, but I know a lot of people who (a) agree that my husband&#8217;s voice has an unusually short range, and (b) can project as far as I can with no professional training, so I think it&#8217;s just something about the frequency or timbre of his voice. Maybe something like this?</p>
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		By: Roy Lofquist		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-759208</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@IGotBupkis

Correct.

The human mind is clearly not a Turing machine (see Penrose http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Mind
)

I (50 years in the computer business) strongly doubt that we will ever see a general speech recognition machine that approaches human capabilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@IGotBupkis</p>
<p>Correct.</p>
<p>The human mind is clearly not a Turing machine (see Penrose <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Mind" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Mind</a><br />
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<p>I (50 years in the computer business) strongly doubt that we will ever see a general speech recognition machine that approaches human capabilities.</p>
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		By: southpaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-758938</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2014 03:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I work for a Scotsman and with a lot of Scottish expats.  This video is as good as it gets  describing my work environment, and the relative difficulty a newcomer has understanding the dialect and sense of humor of my buddies.  funny as hell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxKhUuZ0Rc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a Scotsman and with a lot of Scottish expats.  This video is as good as it gets  describing my work environment, and the relative difficulty a newcomer has understanding the dialect and sense of humor of my buddies.  funny as hell</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxKhUuZ0Rc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxKhUuZ0Rc</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-758528</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 15:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A computer would need a DNA biological parallel processor or a quantum parallel processor.

Equivalent to ... what was it, 15 billion semiconducting parallel processing circuits in the palm of one hand, I think it was.


That would pretty much exceed one person&#039;s brain, but perhaps not 100 genius level brains put together.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A computer would need a DNA biological parallel processor or a quantum parallel processor.</p>
<p>Equivalent to &#8230; what was it, 15 billion semiconducting parallel processing circuits in the palm of one hand, I think it was.</p>
<p>That would pretty much exceed one person&#8217;s brain, but perhaps not 100 genius level brains put together.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-758310</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 06:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;The damned machines ought to be able to understand all of them, though. There are little vowel differences, but mutually intelligible.&lt;/i&gt;

No, you&#039;re wrong here, because you&#039;re presuming a skill that computers don&#039;t yet have, particularly not to the level that humans do: 

&lt;b&gt;pattern recognition&lt;/b&gt;

Y&#039;all should understand -- humans are literally AMAZING pattern recognizers. It&#039;s what we&#039;re spectacularly good at. We&#039;re so good, we see patterns that AREN&#039;T there. That&#039;s what &quot;Numerology&quot; and &quot;Astrology&quot; and the like are all about. 

Computers can do SOME things well in this regard -- they&#039;re better at pulling THOUSANDS of data objects up and finding SIMPLE patterns in them. 

But complex patterns, like &quot;if &#039;t&#039;, then &#039;a&#039;, if &#039;y&#039;, then &#039;x&#039;, if &#039;t&#039; then NOT &#039;a&#039;, but &#039;z&#039;, then &#039;f&#039; -- the more complex the alternatives get to be, the harder it is for the computer to do it right.

And it will NEVER infer from what has been coded, the way a human would. 

Example: I have a cat. It has fleas. Tell me how you would go about getting rid of the fleas.

Well, a computer program might realize -- heat kills fleas, so throw the cat in a furnace.

You and I would know automatically that was not an acceptable answer, but the computer does not know enough to INFER that, since the cat would also die, that&#039;s not an acceptable solution at all.

Don&#039;t confuse beating a grand master at chess, or even winning on Jeopardy, as a sign that computers understand things. These are well-defined problems, and even so, with the latter, there were some very oddly incorrect choices and answers arrived at. Hunt through youtube for post-win analysis of the Watson v. Jeopardy Champs, they speak of how it came up with some very very wrong answers in one or two cases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>The damned machines ought to be able to understand all of them, though. There are little vowel differences, but mutually intelligible.</i></p>
<p>No, you&#8217;re wrong here, because you&#8217;re presuming a skill that computers don&#8217;t yet have, particularly not to the level that humans do: </p>
<p><b>pattern recognition</b></p>
<p>Y&#8217;all should understand &#8212; humans are literally AMAZING pattern recognizers. It&#8217;s what we&#8217;re spectacularly good at. We&#8217;re so good, we see patterns that AREN&#8217;T there. That&#8217;s what &#8220;Numerology&#8221; and &#8220;Astrology&#8221; and the like are all about. </p>
<p>Computers can do SOME things well in this regard &#8212; they&#8217;re better at pulling THOUSANDS of data objects up and finding SIMPLE patterns in them. </p>
<p>But complex patterns, like &#8220;if &#8216;t&#8217;, then &#8216;a&#8217;, if &#8216;y&#8217;, then &#8216;x&#8217;, if &#8216;t&#8217; then NOT &#8216;a&#8217;, but &#8216;z&#8217;, then &#8216;f&#8217; &#8212; the more complex the alternatives get to be, the harder it is for the computer to do it right.</p>
<p>And it will NEVER infer from what has been coded, the way a human would. </p>
<p>Example: I have a cat. It has fleas. Tell me how you would go about getting rid of the fleas.</p>
<p>Well, a computer program might realize &#8212; heat kills fleas, so throw the cat in a furnace.</p>
<p>You and I would know automatically that was not an acceptable answer, but the computer does not know enough to INFER that, since the cat would also die, that&#8217;s not an acceptable solution at all.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t confuse beating a grand master at chess, or even winning on Jeopardy, as a sign that computers understand things. These are well-defined problems, and even so, with the latter, there were some very oddly incorrect choices and answers arrived at. Hunt through youtube for post-win analysis of the Watson v. Jeopardy Champs, they speak of how it came up with some very very wrong answers in one or two cases.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/12/this-is/#comment-758303</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 06:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Voice recognition, like handwriting recognition, is due Real Soon Now. 

It can work fairly well for a wide array of languages and dialects for a small number of words, especially if you take the time to &quot;train&quot; it to your own tongue/dialect. 

But generic voice recognition is still a hard task not well accomplished.

When I AM trying to speak to one, I attempt to place as little inflection and speak in as &quot;robotic&quot; a manner as possible. &quot;Yes&quot;. &quot;No.&quot; &quot;One. One. Five. Three. Seven. Bee. Cee. Ef.&quot; with the periods representing full and clear stops for a substantial fraction of a second.

Realize that much of what makes humans humans -- &quot;common sense&quot;  -- is not available to computers at this point. When we hear someone, a lot of time we&#039;re actually figuring out what they said as much as hearing it. We hear something that sounds like &quot;x y z&quot; and only as we process it do we realize they said &quot;Ecks: Why &#039;Z&#039;?&quot; because we place it in context. We do more than hear, we THINK about what we hear, too.

So reliable, general-purpose voice recognition is still a good ways off.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voice recognition, like handwriting recognition, is due Real Soon Now. </p>
<p>It can work fairly well for a wide array of languages and dialects for a small number of words, especially if you take the time to &#8220;train&#8221; it to your own tongue/dialect. </p>
<p>But generic voice recognition is still a hard task not well accomplished.</p>
<p>When I AM trying to speak to one, I attempt to place as little inflection and speak in as &#8220;robotic&#8221; a manner as possible. &#8220;Yes&#8221;. &#8220;No.&#8221; &#8220;One. One. Five. Three. Seven. Bee. Cee. Ef.&#8221; with the periods representing full and clear stops for a substantial fraction of a second.</p>
<p>Realize that much of what makes humans humans &#8212; &#8220;common sense&#8221;  &#8212; is not available to computers at this point. When we hear someone, a lot of time we&#8217;re actually figuring out what they said as much as hearing it. We hear something that sounds like &#8220;x y z&#8221; and only as we process it do we realize they said &#8220;Ecks: Why &#8216;Z&#8217;?&#8221; because we place it in context. We do more than hear, we THINK about what we hear, too.</p>
<p>So reliable, general-purpose voice recognition is still a good ways off.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2014 02:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From my experience, Neo&#039;s experiences correspond to a damaged or pressured nerve. In martial arts, impacts can deaden nerves, especially on the arm or near the ulna elbow spot.

One time I slammed my elbow down on a desk and the nerve compressed, producing extremely strong signals.

A lot of natural stretching also tends to pull on the nerves, and people experience a weaker form of it when they hit the limits. Stretching doesn&#039;t make nerves regrow or grow longer, but it can rearrange the internal muscles and tissues so that they stop pulling on the nerves.

http://www.clubbell.tv/

Something like that and the education there in, should improve joint health for Neo. But softer and slower movements, like Taiji Chuan, would have a lot less impact on the nerves and muscles. Depends on fitness and energy levels which one would be better rehabilitation.

I have to swing a steel sword around without poking myself with it, so shoulder flexibility and strength matters, a lot, to me. If joints get damaged, bad things start happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, Neo&#8217;s experiences correspond to a damaged or pressured nerve. In martial arts, impacts can deaden nerves, especially on the arm or near the ulna elbow spot.</p>
<p>One time I slammed my elbow down on a desk and the nerve compressed, producing extremely strong signals.</p>
<p>A lot of natural stretching also tends to pull on the nerves, and people experience a weaker form of it when they hit the limits. Stretching doesn&#8217;t make nerves regrow or grow longer, but it can rearrange the internal muscles and tissues so that they stop pulling on the nerves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.clubbell.tv/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.clubbell.tv/</a></p>
<p>Something like that and the education there in, should improve joint health for Neo. But softer and slower movements, like Taiji Chuan, would have a lot less impact on the nerves and muscles. Depends on fitness and energy levels which one would be better rehabilitation.</p>
<p>I have to swing a steel sword around without poking myself with it, so shoulder flexibility and strength matters, a lot, to me. If joints get damaged, bad things start happening.</p>
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		By: neo-neocon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 23:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tonawanda:

I know you&#039;re trying to be helpful, and I&#039;m not taking offense.

In my case though it was always, unequivocally nerve pain.  For example: all of my pain was in the distribution of the ulnar nerves.  My pain was clearly neuropathic, a type of pain which is very very different from muscle pain or other pains.  It involves disturbed sensations primarily, of tingling, burning (especially burning, as though scalded, all along the path of the nerves), tremors and weakness in the fingers enervated by those nerves, and a host of other things too tedious to mention but very clear.  What&#039;s more, when they did surgery on me and exposed the nerve at the elbow, they discovered that the nerve itself (even though this was 9 years after the original injury) was very red and swollen, and had been pinned down by an unusual amount of scar tissue that they had to dissect away.

And I am about 85% to 90% better now than I was before the surgery.

There&#039;s really little doubt it was a nerve injury, and no doctor I went to ever doubted that.  The question was whether surgery would help, and if so which one, because the nerve was thought to be compressed at at least two levels.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonawanda:</p>
<p>I know you&#8217;re trying to be helpful, and I&#8217;m not taking offense.</p>
<p>In my case though it was always, unequivocally nerve pain.  For example: all of my pain was in the distribution of the ulnar nerves.  My pain was clearly neuropathic, a type of pain which is very very different from muscle pain or other pains.  It involves disturbed sensations primarily, of tingling, burning (especially burning, as though scalded, all along the path of the nerves), tremors and weakness in the fingers enervated by those nerves, and a host of other things too tedious to mention but very clear.  What&#8217;s more, when they did surgery on me and exposed the nerve at the elbow, they discovered that the nerve itself (even though this was 9 years after the original injury) was very red and swollen, and had been pinned down by an unusual amount of scar tissue that they had to dissect away.</p>
<p>And I am about 85% to 90% better now than I was before the surgery.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s really little doubt it was a nerve injury, and no doctor I went to ever doubted that.  The question was whether surgery would help, and if so which one, because the nerve was thought to be compressed at at least two levels.</p>
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		By: Tonawanda		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And also, I have always had a problem with people (and &lt;i&gt;a fortiori&lt;/i&gt;) mechanical systems understanding my voice.

It has been a constant difficulty.

There are about two dozen explanations I consider for this reality, but it is a strange reality.

So what, that is life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And also, I have always had a problem with people (and <i>a fortiori</i>) mechanical systems understanding my voice.</p>
<p>It has been a constant difficulty.</p>
<p>There are about two dozen explanations I consider for this reality, but it is a strange reality.</p>
<p>So what, that is life.</p>
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		By: Michael Adams		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Neo, you do have an accent.  It&#039;s pretty soft and quite peasant, but everyone has some kind of accent.  I already knew you were from New York, so it was no trick to say, &quot;&#039;At girl&#039;s not from Boston.&quot; Someone mentioned a &quot;thick Texas Accent&quot;.  Which one?There&#039;s East and West, and I can hear the difference among Austin, San Antonio, Houston  and DFW. 

The damned machines ought to be able to understand all of them, though.  There are little vowel differences, but mutually intelligible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Neo, you do have an accent.  It&#8217;s pretty soft and quite peasant, but everyone has some kind of accent.  I already knew you were from New York, so it was no trick to say, &#8220;&#8216;At girl&#8217;s not from Boston.&#8221; Someone mentioned a &#8220;thick Texas Accent&#8221;.  Which one?There&#8217;s East and West, and I can hear the difference among Austin, San Antonio, Houston  and DFW. </p>
<p>The damned machines ought to be able to understand all of them, though.  There are little vowel differences, but mutually intelligible.</p>
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