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		By: Bilwick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-758197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bilwick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Imagine that a Hollywood director had been in the Nazi Bund during the 1930s and &#039;40s.. If this director had identified fellow Bund members to a subcommittee investigating Americans who collaborated with the Third Reich, would we still be reading about the &quot;infamy&quot; of him &quot;naming names&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that a Hollywood director had been in the Nazi Bund during the 1930s and &#8217;40s.. If this director had identified fellow Bund members to a subcommittee investigating Americans who collaborated with the Third Reich, would we still be reading about the &#8220;infamy&#8221; of him &#8220;naming names&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Zachriel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-758065</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 12:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Wipe the Leftist alliance and all its members from the face of existence… &lt;/i&gt;

Nothing like the smell of genocide in the morning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ymarsakar</b>: <i>Wipe the Leftist alliance and all its members from the face of existence… </i></p>
<p>Nothing like the smell of genocide in the morning.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-758039</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wipe the Leftist alliance and all its members from the face of existence... then everything will be forgiven and all will be atoned for.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipe the Leftist alliance and all its members from the face of existence&#8230; then everything will be forgiven and all will be atoned for.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757995</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am always saddened by reading about how America failed in defending itself and its liberties against Communism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am always saddened by reading about how America failed in defending itself and its liberties against Communism.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 20:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apostates are always hated by the true believers, and those who want to be thought true believers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apostates are always hated by the true believers, and those who want to be thought true believers.</p>
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		By: Eric		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757796</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tonawanda: &quot;As I have said before, I totally sympathize with Eric’s continuing point about creation of an activist non-Left.

I just do not believe it is possible because of the different psychology and character of the Left v. non-Left.&quot;

Activism isn&#039;t pleasant.

If there were a more pleasant, viable alternative solution to activism, I would be for it. But there isn&#039;t one. At this point, the activist game is the only social-political game there is.

As such, whatever the &quot;different psychology and character&quot; of the people of the Right, they need to man up and do what&#039;s needed.

Instead of doing what&#039;s needed, people of the Right limit themselves to wishing for a magical fantasy messianic savior GOP candidate to swoop in as a modern sequel of the Reagan myth to do all the heavy-lifting of full-spectrum social change.

Even if such a magical Republican existed, he or she could engineer the needed social changes only with the partnership of a first, non-stop, and always, proselytizing and spreading, full-spectrum activist social movement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tonawanda: &#8220;As I have said before, I totally sympathize with Eric’s continuing point about creation of an activist non-Left.</p>
<p>I just do not believe it is possible because of the different psychology and character of the Left v. non-Left.&#8221;</p>
<p>Activism isn&#8217;t pleasant.</p>
<p>If there were a more pleasant, viable alternative solution to activism, I would be for it. But there isn&#8217;t one. At this point, the activist game is the only social-political game there is.</p>
<p>As such, whatever the &#8220;different psychology and character&#8221; of the people of the Right, they need to man up and do what&#8217;s needed.</p>
<p>Instead of doing what&#8217;s needed, people of the Right limit themselves to wishing for a magical fantasy messianic savior GOP candidate to swoop in as a modern sequel of the Reagan myth to do all the heavy-lifting of full-spectrum social change.</p>
<p>Even if such a magical Republican existed, he or she could engineer the needed social changes only with the partnership of a first, non-stop, and always, proselytizing and spreading, full-spectrum activist social movement.</p>
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		By: IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757759</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses."]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;People on the net are still talking about McCarthy the witch hunter and prosecutor.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

OK, hard to believe that no one has commented on this yet, but...

&lt;i&gt;McCARTHY AND THE HUAC ARE NOT THE SAME THING.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Not at ALL.&lt;/b&gt;

These two get endlessly connected and somehow people never break free of this connection.

I assign a task to anyone who reads this -- take my word for it, or do your own investigations -- but, once you have, CORRECT this FALSE connection everywhere you encounter it.

1) The &lt;b&gt;House&lt;/b&gt; Unamerican Activities Committee. &lt;b&gt;Senator&lt;/b&gt; Joe McCarthy. As you should grasp already, the two were not related. 

2) McCarthy was singularly concerned with communists in KEY governmental positions. He had ample evidence of it. And, as Ann Coulter has pointed out in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_(book)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Treason&lt;/a&gt;, the since released &quot;Venona Tapes&quot; have revealed that he was utterly correct, there WERE a number of Soviet spies in positions of significance, and, in fact, this was by and large how the Soviets got the A-Bomb so quickly after the war. Anyone interested in this overall subject (Communist Alarmism in the 50s) should certainly have read this book.

3) On the other hand, the HOUSE committee almost certainly was doing something at best morally questionable in terms of American values. It was indisputably an ideological witchhunt more worthy of a totalitarian state than the USA. I certainly understand the concern, which was far from trivial, that there were far too many communist sympathizers ALREADY, in the 50s, in the media, but that was not the proper way to go after them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>People on the net are still talking about McCarthy the witch hunter and prosecutor.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>OK, hard to believe that no one has commented on this yet, but&#8230;</p>
<p><i>McCARTHY AND THE HUAC ARE NOT THE SAME THING.</i></p>
<p><b>Not at ALL.</b></p>
<p>These two get endlessly connected and somehow people never break free of this connection.</p>
<p>I assign a task to anyone who reads this &#8212; take my word for it, or do your own investigations &#8212; but, once you have, CORRECT this FALSE connection everywhere you encounter it.</p>
<p>1) The <b>House</b> Unamerican Activities Committee. <b>Senator</b> Joe McCarthy. As you should grasp already, the two were not related. </p>
<p>2) McCarthy was singularly concerned with communists in KEY governmental positions. He had ample evidence of it. And, as Ann Coulter has pointed out in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason_(book)" rel="nofollow">Treason</a>, the since released &#8220;Venona Tapes&#8221; have revealed that he was utterly correct, there WERE a number of Soviet spies in positions of significance, and, in fact, this was by and large how the Soviets got the A-Bomb so quickly after the war. Anyone interested in this overall subject (Communist Alarmism in the 50s) should certainly have read this book.</p>
<p>3) On the other hand, the HOUSE committee almost certainly was doing something at best morally questionable in terms of American values. It was indisputably an ideological witchhunt more worthy of a totalitarian state than the USA. I certainly understand the concern, which was far from trivial, that there were far too many communist sympathizers ALREADY, in the 50s, in the media, but that was not the proper way to go after them.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757734</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And Zimmer puts himself on the side of liberalism, I see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Zimmer puts himself on the side of liberalism, I see.</p>
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		By: Zachriel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2014/04/11/elia-kazan-changer/#comment-757716</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zachriel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;On the Waterfront&lt;/i&gt; is considered Kazan&#039;s response to critics, a story of a dockworker who testifies against the murderous union thugs who control the waterfront. 
 
(Apparently, Kazan pictures himself as the dockworker, Terry Malloy. Except for standing up under the threat of violent retribution, and the admiration of his peers for his actions.)
 
&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;So long as you obey, things will be good. And people call them “liberals”? &lt;/i&gt;
 
Communists are on the far left, and are antithetical to liberalism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On the Waterfront</i> is considered Kazan&#8217;s response to critics, a story of a dockworker who testifies against the murderous union thugs who control the waterfront. </p>
<p>(Apparently, Kazan pictures himself as the dockworker, Terry Malloy. Except for standing up under the threat of violent retribution, and the admiration of his peers for his actions.)</p>
<p><b>Ymarsakar</b>: <i>So long as you obey, things will be good. And people call them “liberals”? </i></p>
<p>Communists are on the far left, and are antithetical to liberalism.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2014 13:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well worth googling the &#039;99 Honorary Oscar presented to Kazan by Bobby Di Niro and Marty Scorsesse. Watch the Hollywood punks in the audience sit and heroically refuse to stand and applaud a man who&#039;s shoes they didn&#039;t come up to. Beatty got up and tearily and classily applauded. Little Stevie Spielberg, however, stayed in his seat and pressed his hands together 2 or 3 times.

Patooey..!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well worth googling the &#8217;99 Honorary Oscar presented to Kazan by Bobby Di Niro and Marty Scorsesse. Watch the Hollywood punks in the audience sit and heroically refuse to stand and applaud a man who&#8217;s shoes they didn&#8217;t come up to. Beatty got up and tearily and classily applauded. Little Stevie Spielberg, however, stayed in his seat and pressed his hands together 2 or 3 times.</p>
<p>Patooey..!</p>
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