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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/11/saving-science-fiction-from-strong-female-characters-part-4/

Most of the Left&#039;s ops aren&#039;t isolated incidents. They are coordinated, if only loosely.

&lt;b&gt;So what is my objection?

My objection is to falseness, insincerity, propaganda, bad drama, bad art, and treason against the muses.  My objection is to using art for propaganda purposes. My objection is to Politically Correct piety. My objection is to the Thought Police.

My objection is to the spirit of totalitarianism.


For about ten years now, I have been writing and posting essays and articles on my electronic journal, and in all that time, I have been subjected to the Leftist mob tactics of mass hatred once and once only. It was the time I mocked the Sci-Fi Channel for kowtowing to Political Correctness. My motive for objecting was perfectly clear to everyone: I would like to write without censorship, formal or informal, based on political considerations. Formal censorship is state enforced; informal is enforced by organized mob-tactics, minority pressure groups, yelling, screaming, boycotts, hysteria and general bullying.

Because I would like to write without informal censorship interfering with my livelihood, I objected to Sci-Fi channel, or anyone in my field, surrendering to the minority pressure groups screaming and yelling and mob-tactics and bullying. So I mocked the Sci-Fi channel for encouraging the bullies by bowing the knee to them.

And in return the mob tried to bully me, of all people. As if I give a tinker’s damn for the opinions of these yowling halfwits. (There was exactly one person of the seven hundred or so who wrote in to me who seemed sincerely offended, and to him I apologized. To remaining six hundred and ninety-nine or so, I offered defiance in public, and in private prayed for their fool souls, hoping despite all appearances they were not damned fools.)

This taught me a lesson, but not the one the mob organizers wanted to teach. It taught me what they were afraid of. Not of me: no one can be afraid of a fat and balding nearsighted science fiction writer with a dull swordcane.

Nor were they offended by calling sodomy a sexual perversion, which I have done frequently before and since, never eliciting a single angry comment in reply, or attracting the slightest notice.

Since my legions of drug-maddened terror troops are all stranded on Salusa Secondus, the third planet of Gamma Piscium, 138 lightyears away, surely the mobsters of Political Correctness are not afraid of any physical force I can bring to bear. Neither am I in a position to deny any man any economic opportunities, nor am I influential enough to provoke public opinion or create any controversy. I doubt I could even do as much myself against them as they have done to me, such as hack a Wikipedia page or send around an open letter and expect it to be published and reprinted.

To explain what they are afraid of, I am afraid I have to explain something of the pathology of Leftism.&lt;/b&gt;

It feels satisfying to see the rest or others of the 3% telling it as it actually is, without the limitations of intellectual retardedness or unwillingness to face the true nature of the Left.

Also per chance I liked the books of that author, but I never read his politics or blog posts. My instinct for the sane must be getting refined over time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/11/saving-science-fiction-from-strong-female-characters-part-4/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scifiwright.com/2013/11/saving-science-fiction-from-strong-female-characters-part-4/</a></p>
<p>Most of the Left&#8217;s ops aren&#8217;t isolated incidents. They are coordinated, if only loosely.</p>
<p><b>So what is my objection?</p>
<p>My objection is to falseness, insincerity, propaganda, bad drama, bad art, and treason against the muses.  My objection is to using art for propaganda purposes. My objection is to Politically Correct piety. My objection is to the Thought Police.</p>
<p>My objection is to the spirit of totalitarianism.</p>
<p>For about ten years now, I have been writing and posting essays and articles on my electronic journal, and in all that time, I have been subjected to the Leftist mob tactics of mass hatred once and once only. It was the time I mocked the Sci-Fi Channel for kowtowing to Political Correctness. My motive for objecting was perfectly clear to everyone: I would like to write without censorship, formal or informal, based on political considerations. Formal censorship is state enforced; informal is enforced by organized mob-tactics, minority pressure groups, yelling, screaming, boycotts, hysteria and general bullying.</p>
<p>Because I would like to write without informal censorship interfering with my livelihood, I objected to Sci-Fi channel, or anyone in my field, surrendering to the minority pressure groups screaming and yelling and mob-tactics and bullying. So I mocked the Sci-Fi channel for encouraging the bullies by bowing the knee to them.</p>
<p>And in return the mob tried to bully me, of all people. As if I give a tinker’s damn for the opinions of these yowling halfwits. (There was exactly one person of the seven hundred or so who wrote in to me who seemed sincerely offended, and to him I apologized. To remaining six hundred and ninety-nine or so, I offered defiance in public, and in private prayed for their fool souls, hoping despite all appearances they were not damned fools.)</p>
<p>This taught me a lesson, but not the one the mob organizers wanted to teach. It taught me what they were afraid of. Not of me: no one can be afraid of a fat and balding nearsighted science fiction writer with a dull swordcane.</p>
<p>Nor were they offended by calling sodomy a sexual perversion, which I have done frequently before and since, never eliciting a single angry comment in reply, or attracting the slightest notice.</p>
<p>Since my legions of drug-maddened terror troops are all stranded on Salusa Secondus, the third planet of Gamma Piscium, 138 lightyears away, surely the mobsters of Political Correctness are not afraid of any physical force I can bring to bear. Neither am I in a position to deny any man any economic opportunities, nor am I influential enough to provoke public opinion or create any controversy. I doubt I could even do as much myself against them as they have done to me, such as hack a Wikipedia page or send around an open letter and expect it to be published and reprinted.</p>
<p>To explain what they are afraid of, I am afraid I have to explain something of the pathology of Leftism.</b></p>
<p>It feels satisfying to see the rest or others of the 3% telling it as it actually is, without the limitations of intellectual retardedness or unwillingness to face the true nature of the Left.</p>
<p>Also per chance I liked the books of that author, but I never read his politics or blog posts. My instinct for the sane must be getting refined over time.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bob, they already had the prototypes for Americans back during WWII under FDR, the Democrat God and Divine Being that died during 4 terms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, they already had the prototypes for Americans back during WWII under FDR, the Democrat God and Divine Being that died during 4 terms.</p>
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		By: Hangtown Bob		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 14:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When will the Left start formally establishing forced &quot;re-education camps&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will the Left start formally establishing forced &#8220;re-education camps&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 12:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of lesbians don&#039;t like or fear males, due to prior experience. While that doesn&#039;t include everyone, much of the homosexual orgy farming the Left does doesn&#039;t address the human concerns or the emotions of love and hate.

The Left needs storm troopers, slaves, and obedient cogs. They aren&#039;t a relationship counseling service. They don&#039;t want love between two humans, whether it is the standard or the forbidden kind, to bear fruit. That&#039;s not their goal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of lesbians don&#8217;t like or fear males, due to prior experience. While that doesn&#8217;t include everyone, much of the homosexual orgy farming the Left does doesn&#8217;t address the human concerns or the emotions of love and hate.</p>
<p>The Left needs storm troopers, slaves, and obedient cogs. They aren&#8217;t a relationship counseling service. They don&#8217;t want love between two humans, whether it is the standard or the forbidden kind, to bear fruit. That&#8217;s not their goal.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beverly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 07:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IOW, it could be a natural variation -- if I were a lesbian and convinced of that fact, I&#039;d strongly support research into the question. So the fact that the gay activists are so strongly opposed to it is interesting, to say the least.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IOW, it could be a natural variation &#8212; if I were a lesbian and convinced of that fact, I&#8217;d strongly support research into the question. So the fact that the gay activists are so strongly opposed to it is interesting, to say the least.</p>
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		By: Beverly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 07:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The issue in homosexuality, I think, boils down to whether it&#039;s a natural variation, like being an albino, or whether it is in fact a sexual perversion, as it&#039;s almost always been considered in practically every culture.

Trouble is, the gay activists have made it all but impossible to research the question, so it will just have to remain a bone of contention. 

Meanwhile, for those who think it&#039;s an innate, unchangeable tendency -- What about NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio&#039;s lesbian wife? SHE changed. They have two kids. But does anyone ever mention it, or similar cases? (crickets chirping....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue in homosexuality, I think, boils down to whether it&#8217;s a natural variation, like being an albino, or whether it is in fact a sexual perversion, as it&#8217;s almost always been considered in practically every culture.</p>
<p>Trouble is, the gay activists have made it all but impossible to research the question, so it will just have to remain a bone of contention. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, for those who think it&#8217;s an innate, unchangeable tendency &#8212; What about NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio&#8217;s lesbian wife? SHE changed. They have two kids. But does anyone ever mention it, or similar cases? (crickets chirping&#8230;.)</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 04:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Also, due to sources like Bella Dodd, we know the Leftist alliance with the teacher unions in 1930s infiltrated several Leftists into the Vatican priest training programs.

Later producing homosexual rapes, child molestations and what not... you can believe that&#039;s coincidence if you want.

Now they want Boy Scouts to have homosexuals in. YOu can believe that&#039;s coincidence if you want. But when the Left&#039;s boot comes down, you won&#039;t get that choice any more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, due to sources like Bella Dodd, we know the Leftist alliance with the teacher unions in 1930s infiltrated several Leftists into the Vatican priest training programs.</p>
<p>Later producing homosexual rapes, child molestations and what not&#8230; you can believe that&#8217;s coincidence if you want.</p>
<p>Now they want Boy Scouts to have homosexuals in. YOu can believe that&#8217;s coincidence if you want. But when the Left&#8217;s boot comes down, you won&#8217;t get that choice any more.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 04:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve57 and Beverly are getting it right. Becoming enlightened as to the true nature of the Left is a good thing.

I mentioned months ago that hate, true hate, would be useful. This is how. Without hating the Left, one can never truly understand nor take seriously the Left when they say they hate you. You don&#039;t understand what that means until you understand the emotion of hate first.

It&#039;s pretty stupid though that it takes a single Democrat politician that can be frozen and hated, such as Hussein here, to clue people in on what hate really means in America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve57 and Beverly are getting it right. Becoming enlightened as to the true nature of the Left is a good thing.</p>
<p>I mentioned months ago that hate, true hate, would be useful. This is how. Without hating the Left, one can never truly understand nor take seriously the Left when they say they hate you. You don&#8217;t understand what that means until you understand the emotion of hate first.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty stupid though that it takes a single Democrat politician that can be frozen and hated, such as Hussein here, to clue people in on what hate really means in America.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 04:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[New Class Traitor:  I stand by my statement that nobody hates, er, Pukecannon, more than I do.  But I&#039;ll allow that you may hate him as much :^).  Glad to see we&#039;re in accord that bringing him up now to get at Eich is BS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Class Traitor:  I stand by my statement that nobody hates, er, Pukecannon, more than I do.  But I&#8217;ll allow that you may hate him as much :^).  Glad to see we&#8217;re in accord that bringing him up now to get at Eich is BS.</p>
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		By: Steve57		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2014 03:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo-neocon, I realize the  issues regarding surrogacy are for all practical purposes the same whether we&#039;re talking about gay or straight couples using a surrogate mother. 

I also realize that there can be issues regarding custody or visitation in all sorts of different situations. But the difference between surrogates and all the other examples you used is this is the only one in which a contract is involved concerning who &quot;owns&quot; the baby if some disagreement arises. Which would bother me whether the couple contracting for the surrogate was heterosexual or homosexual.

It&#039;s a sort of a side issue. Although I do think it brings up a relevent point which you and others like kit and Lizzy have touched on. I think the next phase of the left&#039;s war on wrongthink will be biology-denial. If somebody considers themselves transgendered we are all apparently just go with what they identify themselves as as opposed to what we see right in front of our faces.

Which will lead to insane consequences. Imagine being Bradley Manning&#039;s prison doctor and being forced to refer to Manning as Chelsea and as a her and a she. While telling &quot;her&quot; that &quot;she&quot; has testicular cancer?

I just can&#039;t bring myself to do it. No more if they identified themselves as Napoleon Bonaparte.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo-neocon, I realize the  issues regarding surrogacy are for all practical purposes the same whether we&#8217;re talking about gay or straight couples using a surrogate mother. </p>
<p>I also realize that there can be issues regarding custody or visitation in all sorts of different situations. But the difference between surrogates and all the other examples you used is this is the only one in which a contract is involved concerning who &#8220;owns&#8221; the baby if some disagreement arises. Which would bother me whether the couple contracting for the surrogate was heterosexual or homosexual.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a sort of a side issue. Although I do think it brings up a relevent point which you and others like kit and Lizzy have touched on. I think the next phase of the left&#8217;s war on wrongthink will be biology-denial. If somebody considers themselves transgendered we are all apparently just go with what they identify themselves as as opposed to what we see right in front of our faces.</p>
<p>Which will lead to insane consequences. Imagine being Bradley Manning&#8217;s prison doctor and being forced to refer to Manning as Chelsea and as a her and a she. While telling &#8220;her&#8221; that &#8220;she&#8221; has testicular cancer?</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t bring myself to do it. No more if they identified themselves as Napoleon Bonaparte.</p>
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